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Quote13. Do you support repeal of laws compelling acceptance of government-issued money [legal tender laws]?
That question concerns the nature of government. Is government a voluntary association, or is government an involuntary association. I can think of no better way to reverse the trend toward involuntary association, what I call crime, and move toward liberty, which is definable as a voluntary association, than by way of nullifying anyone claiming to have a license to enforce one specific monetary product, which is my way of answering your question affirmatively. I don't know how you propose to repeal laws that compel acceptance of government-issued money, but I do know how I plan to do so, by issuing competitive monetary products, of much higher quality, and much lower cost compared to the current legal crime products issued by The Federal Reserve System of Extortion conspirators.

Quote14. Has the US ever fought an enemy who was honorable? Which ones?
That is a loaded question that is derived from a false pretense. The US cannot fight, people fight, and therefore your question must be rephrased so as to actually convey meaning, instead of conveying nonsense. I can rephrase your question so as to have the question makes sense: Has any representative of the people of America ever fought an enemy who was honorable? The answer is demonstrably yes. Beginning with the leaders of The Whiskey Rebellion, whereupon those insurgents, those rebels, those Revolutionary War Veterans, honorably upheld the Spirit of 1776, as they fought against the tyrannical usurper of Liberty, the person named George Washington, as that former Friend of Liberty turned his coat, from blue to red, and crushed, in his own words, "so fatal a spirit". Those enemies of that tyrannical State exemplifies the answer to the question asked, as far as I can interpret such a loaded question, a question that is based upon a false pretense. Too many words? Not enough? You tell me.

Quote15. Were the attacks on the Marine barracks in Beirut, or the USS Cole, terrorist attacks or attacks on a legitimate military target?
As far as my understanding of those acts of violence: the guilty people remain unaccounted for as being people who are guilty of crimes that are committed under the color of law, what I call Legal Crime, and as you may know: all crimes resulting from the original act of criminal aggression, whereby an aggressor commits criminal aggression upon innocent people, such as an aggressive war for profit, such as the crimes that were committed by the Nazi legal criminals, the same crimes that those criminals were tried for, and killed for perpetrating, once they were found guilty, all subsequent crimes are accountable to the first crime, and therefore deaths resulting from those original criminal acts are attributable to the original perpetrators. That is not to say that anyone else is not also guilty of criminal aggression, each case must be judged on its own merit. Why not, while you are at it, question the legitimacy of the incident involving the U.S. Navy ship Liberty, as it was willfully attacked by criminals running the Israeli military, a case if ever there was one, whereby the worst criminals are uncovered during the discovery process, as dishonorable enemies sneak attack honorable military soldiers, and then our own hired employees running our own government help our dishonorable enemies cover up those specific crimes, in that specific case? How do you accurately identify friends of Liberty from our foes? Whose side are you on, I'd like to know the truth, too. Time left?

Quote16. What is the maximum amount – not percentage – that anyone should have to pay in taxes?
A tricky question? No one, ever, should pay in involuntary tax, doing so transfers power from a victim to a criminal, by definition of those precise words, any Tom Foolery with words, euphemisms, and politically correct verbiage, serves the criminals, helping them cover up their perpetuating crimes. You are asking that question to no fool here, Mr.: Americans are inventive, adaptive, disobedient people. Give them no option and they will invent one, we will find a way around these dictates, these orders, these involuntary associations, these taxes handed down from dictators, oppressors, tyrants, and legal criminals. No tax ordered, or else, can be paid by friends of Liberty, doing so lends psychological support, and material support to our enemies. Is that the answer you are looking for, or is that the answer that must be censored? You tell me. How much time is left?

17. Do you support abolition of the income tax?

Who needs a piece of  paper to do the right thing? Who needs permission? I can ask the honest productive people of America to please consider the rightness of refusing to pay "protection money" to legal criminals, please, please, please, return to some semblance of common sense, do not feed the legal criminals among us, they grow more powerful, and you, honest productive Americans, grow weaker, penny by blood soaked penny. Who has grown so stupid as to be led to believe that a piece of paper authorizes anyone, ever, to willfully injure any innocent person? Where is your common sense. Where is your head, get your head out of that place where the sun does not shine, sooner, before it is too late. Please. How much time is left? Is that condensed into a small enough sound bite for your pleasure?

Quote18. Why is discrimination prohibited, but is the basis for a progressive tax?
Why do people hire known liars to run their government? Find those people, account for them, let them know they are accessories to whatever crimes the people they hire commit, and perhaps there will be specific discrimination permitted, rather than prohibited, whereby criminals are no longer rewarded for abusing the power of government, and to get to that point sooner, it may be a very good idea to stop sending your hard earned surplus wealth to those very criminals, the ones with badges, the ones committing crimes under the color of law. Is it time? Is it past time?

19. Is simulated drowning, or, "waterboarding" torture? If not, define the word torture.

Who has determined that torturers get to define what is not torture, while they torture? Is it more likely that the victims will honestly account for the full measure of what is, or is not torture? What ever happened to common sense? Of course the people using the power of law to torture, and to commit mass murder, conducting wars of aggression for their exclusive profit, at the expense of all the victims, will not say that they are torturing, and mass murdering, who would pay them once that cat was out of that bag? You? Confess please, will you keep sending them your hard earned power once you discover the truth? You tell me. I'm not holding my breath. I can't wait. I'm running for President of The United States, even during this phase in American History when lies are demanded, and torture is rewarded, and mass murder is the rule, not the exception in what was once our government.

20. Do you support transferring federal lands to the states in which they are located?

My understanding of moral law applied to a Democratic Federated Republican form of government is such that the Republic owns no land, all land is own by The People, and if The People in one State allows their elected representatives to "own" the land, that is what they do, in that State, whose name is on the piece of paper that claims ownership of which land? Each case must be judged according to the specifics of each case. Which case are you referring to, and whose name is on the title in that case, and who is contesting title, and can the decision making process involve a working Trial by Jury if necessary? Do you understand how Trial by Jury works, when it works? I do. Each individual, each sovereign individual has as much, or more, power than elected officials, since each potential Juror has the power to nullify any law. If someone claims that their land has been stolen, there is then a defendant charged with theft. Who decides guilt or innocence in any case whatsoever? You tell me. I know how Liberty can work. What we have working now, for the most part, is legal crime, so long as liars, torturers, and mass murderers are rewarded by their victims, so long will this persist. Common Sense please.

Quote21. Hawaii has a large secessionist movement. Do you support Hawaii's right to self-determination?
A working Democratic Federated Republic is a voluntary agreement. Would it be a good idea, or a bad idea, to find out why the people in Hawaii are moving toward disagreement? Do they no longer agree that it is a good idea to conduct aggressive wars for profit, or just while the profits are going to so few people? I'd ask. Someone might actually tell the truth. That is a sound bite.

22. Do you support and would you continue the War On Drugs?

No. I support a war on liars who fabricate falsehood. Find them and punish them: stop rewarding them. They may then do good things, who knows? It is a fabrication of lies to advertize a war on drugs, there is no such thing possible. Drugs have absolutely no capacity to fight, so who is targeted during this war on drugs? What is next: a war on tooth fairies? How much power can transfer from the honest productive American people to the legal criminals if those legal criminals begin conducting their war on tooth fairies? Follow the money to the source, then see if there is any more power left to fight tooth fairies. Why do the legal criminals get rewarded more for telling more outrageous lies? The war on drugs is a war for drugs, as the exemplary case in Afghanistan. Who is paying what to whom in the opium trade from Afghanistan, follow that money trail, like the case precedent: Iran Contra. Wake up America, it is almost too late. Out of time?

23.(a.) Can you explain the difference between a war, conflict, police action, and kinetic military action?
(b.) Are there other types of military actions other than these?

I can describe each case based upon each case. If a person willfully plans to injure innocent people, they define crime by doing so, even if they call what they are doing by some other name such as spreading democracy. Organized warfare, at the national level, is not a random occurrence, if it is defensive, obviously there must be an aggressor, if there is an aggressor, who planned the aggression? Find that person, or that group, and what do you have at that point? Do you then have a mass murderer, a serial killer? How can you claim otherwise? I don't claim otherwise. A person guilty of willfully injuring one innocent person is guilty of that crime. A person guilty of willfully injuring millions of innocent people is measurably that much more destructive, that much more criminal, why spend a penny defending against the nickle and dime criminals, housing them, feeding them, rewarding them, when criminals who torture and murder millions of innocent people make you pay them every cent you make or else. Or else, you have to invent an alternative. Medium sound bite?

24. Do you support government control of schooling?

What do you mean when you banter around that term? A national level government, one that is based upon the Democratic Federated Republican notion, a notion of competitiveness, is a government that has no business whatsoever in education. A national level President, within a Democratic Federated Republican form of government, just like anyone else, has an opinion, what does that matter? Legal Fiction operators, at the State level, can offer whatever they want in the way of education, it seems to me, and if one State offers much better education, at a lower price, compared to the next State, I most certainly will support anyone choosing to vote with their feet to the better place. That is how a Democratic Federated Republican form of government is supposed to work. If one State enforces a "Love it, and you can't leave it" rule. What does that constitute? In my opinion that would  constitute a crime upon whoever was forced to love their "education". I can't see such a thing happening, but if it did happen, on my watch, and if I had the power, I'd, at least, help those who are forced to love their chains, to invent a better option. I'd ask. If the answer was, help me leave, I'd ask one of the other employees in one of the other States, if they could help provide sanctuary. That may appear to dodge the question of education, but again: education is not a Federal issue. False propaganda, behavioral modification, response conditioning, and forced indoctrination is on every tyrants to do list, so please use accurate labels if you want accurate answers. Next?

Quote25. In your opinion, who was the worst president, and why?
The answer is personal, specific to me. I was witness to the massacre in Waco Texas. I saw it on Television while it was perpetrated. I tried to join an armed march on Washington, something that was started by Linda Thomson. I still have the original VCR tapes taken inside the church where those little children were still breathing. So, for me, the worst was that, expletive, Clinton, the same perpetrator behind the genocidal economic aggressive war for profit against Iraq, the so called sanctions. That happened on my watch, it is abhorrent in the extreme. It is evil, horrible, terrifying, and to be avoided, those crimes are soon to be aimed at home, please don't allow it. Stop feeding the legal criminals, before it is too late. Please.

Quote26. In your opinion, who was the best president, and why?
None. I can answer the question if the question was phrased as: Who was the least evil president, and why? The least evil president, as far as I know, and my knowledge is admittedly severely limited, is William Henry Harrison, those who govern least govern best. To any of my critics on this point, save your hero worship for someone more gullible. I'm not buying into that lie. You had better wise up, and guard your liberty before it is too late.

27. In your opinion, what was the worst decision by the Supreme Court?

I have no answer on that question. I can say that a Democratic Federated Republic has no need of a supreme court, in my opinion, what can a Supreme Court do that each Separate and Sovereign State cannot do within the power of nullification, or even more importantly, what can a Supreme Court do that each separate and sovereign individual juror can't do on any question of law whatsoever since each juror in a working Trial by Jury system also hold the power of nullification in each and every case?

28. Do you support government control of the internet?

Which government? You banter that word around as if all governments were created equal, one indistinguishable from the other, which is demonstrably not true. Governments are competitive, some are much better than others, some are much more costly than others, and in the case of a Democratic Federated Republic the Federal level of control would be no different than your own control, or my own control, I can turn it on, and I can turn it off at will, at my personal connection. If a State turns access to the internet off to all the people in that state, my suggestion is the same one, vote with your feet, make the experiment work the way it is intended to work.

Quote29. Do you support turning airline security over to the airlines?
Who took security out of the hands of the people? It was not me. Do you understand the meaning of Liberty? You decide to travel by way of airplane, who is responsible for your security? Not me. As President my duty is to stop legal crime, that is what I will do, and it is false, it is fraud, it is crime, for one person to assume, involuntarily, control over security of another person. If anyone is operating a Federal protection racket, it would then me my duty to stop that ongoing crime. I would have the power to pull that plug, or I wouldn't be much of a President. Dare to find out? Go ahead, waste your vote on me, instead of wasting it on your version of security. Make my day, punk. How is that for a sound bite?

Quote30. How can anyone be said to be free when the government has a prior claim on all he earns?\

Again with the universal use of the term government, as if there was only one. There are more than one. One is better than the other. One that is more along the lines of a voluntary association is much better than a criminal one. If the only one is a criminal one, and no one invents an alternative, obey. Obey. You do that, go ahead, do that, see what you get. I'm not on that boat. You have been warned. Get off that boat. Stop feeding the legal criminals, they are eating you while they terrorize you, torture you, and destroy all that makes you unique, and valuable, and honest, and good, and moral, and lovable, and productive, and sane, and worth reproducing with even better versions of you.

31. Is it possible to maintain good government when politicians lie regularly?

You get what you pay for, and that isn't news. Two sentence sound bite, I'm getting good.

Quote32. Will you pledge to resign from office if it can be shown that you lied to the people?
If you hire a liar, on purpose, what good is a pledge? Waste your vote on an honest person, see what happens.

Quote33. If you are elected, will you pledge to release all secret information regarding government crimes or unexecuted planned crimes against citizens, such as MK ULTRA, Tuskegee Experiments, Operation Northwoods, Guatemalan Syphilis Experiments, CDC Measles Experiment, etc.?
I'm not in the business of pledges, promises, oaths, etc., never was, and it's getting late for me to start, but my intention is to declare war on the liars who produce falsehood in abundance, and how can that war be waged? I plan on running a reality Television show during my Presidency. You, and everyone else, are invited in on everything, except bathroom visits, and I won't be televising sex with my wife, but when I go get the legal criminals, please tune in. It will be messy. I think I may actually kick ass, literally, and if my target cries and brings me to court, I'll let the jury decide my punishment for kicking ass, and taking names. You find out. You waste your vote on an average Joe. You do the impossible. Do it. Make my, expletive, day. I won't be self censoring. Tune in, and be warned, strong language, and there may be violence, but no sex, please, that is private.

Quote34. When a person's moral beliefs are in conflict with a legislative edict, what should he do?
When in doubt, power out. That is an old motocross term, I'm borrowing from my brother Jack. Morality is the power behind human survival, it is the genetic code, perhaps, that drives such things as reproduction, production, a desire for facts, an abhorrence for seemingly senseless destruction. What drives the opposite, what power is in play when legislative edict goes against moral consciousness?  Morality is not merely belief, to me, so I have to ask, why do you downgrade an obvious life sustaining imperative from what it is to a "belief", as if a person having moral consciousness can simply choose to turn it off?

35. Do you favor compelling citizens to violate their conscience?

Why not ask if I favor involuntary associations, or blind obedience? What would be the point behind favoring citizens to violate their conscience? Responsibility is individual, or there is no such thing as responsibility. If I compel someone else to do anything against their will, by way of fraud, or by way of threats of violence, or by way of a violent act upon someone, their act is then my act, I am then responsible for my act, which in term causes their act, and to what end would I choose to confuse accountability in that way?  This is not a new question. Raising children exposes this very question to the parents. How can any being in command of the power of will learn the difference between right and wrong if the power to decide is removed?  If the power to decide is removed, and that power is commanded externally, instead of internally, when will the actor ever know when their decision is right or wrong, wile that power has been removed? With children there are times when the decision is too risky for the child, and the parent has to take control, and pull the child away from the imminent danger, failing to do so, allowing that wrong decision to be made, ends the life of the child, short of that, how can a child learn to use his, or her, individual power of will, without using it? An honest productive person, or a non-criminal, is an autonomous, sovereign being, not a child, and who claims to be in any position to know better, as to what is right or wrong, for anyone else? Not me. If, on the other hand, a person decides to injure an innocent person, and is well along during the commission of said crime, then who, if not me, or you, will decide to help the targeted victim avoid the impending, or even the ongoing, injury, if it is within our power to do so, at least? So, the answer to the question must be done in such a way as to accurately differentiate, discriminate, and judge, the difference between any act that involves a willful plan, and a willful act, targeting an innocent person, and anything else, and anything else, is none of my damn business, as President, or as average Joe. That is well over a sound bite, I'd have to speak quickly, or be cut off.

Quote36. How does compelling someone to violate his conscience differ when we do it, from when the Communists, Nazis or Fascists did it?
I don't do it. Please leave me out of that set of people who do it. I'm not in that club. I don't belong in "we" as you have volunteered me into, against my will. Please don't do that again. If you catch me doing that, let me know, I'll be more than happy to admit my error, and I can then work to avoid repeating that error. You may also, please, consider defining what you mean by "conscience", as in moral conscience, since a criminal conscience may be an entirely opposite concept, whereby the criminal mind has decided, consciously, that everyone else is asking to be injured, and it is the duty of that person, according to such as "conscience" to go ahead and provide that fabricated "service", even while the targeted victims are pleading for mercy. Who has the power to alert the victims in time to help them avoid such exercises of "conscience" so defined? The war on falsehood will be digging deep.

Quote37. If the federal debt ceiling can be raised, what is it for?
A few people, if that is the right term, have convinced a great majority of honest productive Americans that the act of borrowing, by those few, amounts to debt owed, with interest, to be paid by the honest productive people, and paid to those few things, that may or may not be people. Those things have a gift, probably not a God given gift either, and that gift is illustrated by this amazing power, this power that causes all those honest productive people to actually believe that they owe those few for those few having borrowed from all those honest productive people. That is a very powerful gift. The victims of that lie, amazingly enough, actually send their offspring to work for those few legal criminals, to torture, and to mass murder, and to be torture, and to be mass murdered, and some of the victims actually beg for more punishment. Can you explain to me how that happens, and stop speaking in the terms used by the legal criminals, as if their terms are acceptable? Their terms are not acceptable, they are false, they are destructive, misleading, wrong, evil, torturous, and murderous, massively murderous. Please stop using their terms. Please stop using their currency. Please.

Quote38. Does the Constitution give the President exclusive power over foreign policy? (No)
How can I trust you now. You cheat. You are giving me the answer you want to hear. How about the truth instead? The Constitution enables the interpreter of it to do as he, or she pleases, and that is the main reason why the Founding Fathers objected to The Constitution. You may want to learn the lessons provided to you by the people who warned you about that "feature", that constructive interpretation capacity written into that enabling document, such as Patrick Henry. You were warned, and you still don't listen.

Quote39. Do you consider people such as Daniel Ellsberg, Bradley Manning and Mark Felt, heroes or traitors?
There are very few hero's on my list. One is my wife. It is a short list. Whistle blowers are doing a great service to anyone who demands advance warning, Patrick Henry blew the whistle on the criminals and their usurpation, did you listen to Patrick Henry? The legal criminals cannot allow accurate data to flow to their ready victims, even if most of them love their chains, now, the legal criminals will lose their power once their victims regain their power of numbers, and they know it. The legal criminals censor, that is what they do, and they censor the most damaging information first, they are not stupid. I can borrow from one of the Whistle Blowers, and professional, as he said: "If it's been officially denied, then it’s probably true" - John Pilger. If the whistle blower is being tortured, it's probably really true.

Quote40. If elected, would you pledge to return to the practice of reporting to congress the state of the union by letter instead of speech?
I don't pledge, what good is a pledge. I'm not in possession of perfect knowledge. I can plan on doing things, and I can adapt along the way, invent ways to meet any obstacle along the path. My plan is to report live, keep the video feed on all the time, with few exceptions, if someone want's to know something, tune in. Do you have a better plan. If it is better, you may get my vote, but I already don't trust you, you cheat, and you have an obvious misunderstanding concerning the true purpose and design of The Constitution, which is inexcusable, since the perpetrators confessed their intentions, and there were plenty of people, like Patrick Henry, blowing the whistle.

Quote41. On your second day in office, what agencies and programs do you intend to propose for elimination?
My plan will take care of things my way. I'll do it my way. If you want to know the details, I can explain the details, in detail, and it won't be a sound bite. If you want to waste your vote on an honest person, then just watch and see how it is done. When the honest productive people no longer send their money to the legal criminals, with my Product 1 and Product 2 competitive legal financial instruments, offered, not enforced, just offered, not in any way an involuntary dictate, merely an offering, to anyone who wants a competitive legal money, and I may have to do some hard selling, but it will work, and when it works, the flow of power stops flowing from the honest productive people to the legal criminals, and then when that is well underway, much of those destructive "programs" will wither on the vine. Meanwhile, as stated earlier, my plan is to use each enforcement agency against the other, for the people, to have each hired employee blow the whistle on each other hired employee, taking names, and discovering, and trying, and then sentencing those who have abused defensive government and those who have employed government as a means of perpetrating crimes, such as torture, and mass murder. Those who are less guilty may have a very serious case of moral conscience enter their consciousness as the expletive hits the fan. Just watch, it will be live, a new reality show. Do you dare waste your vote so carefully?

Quote42. What would you do if China, Iran, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Libya or other countries turned isolationist?
Soft ball questions that are couched in the verbiage of legal crime? Why play such games? The legal criminals are busy building World War III, they are setting things up to cause China, Russia, Venezuela, and Iran on one side, and The Dollar Hegemony on the other side, the more destructive that the war can be fueled into being the better for the legal criminals who sit back and watch, safely in their bunkers, and when all that power is spent and the ashes have fallen, and while the bodies are rotting, they plan on ushering in a new world reserve currency that will most likely be produced, and maintained from Asia, no longer being produced and maintained from America, and if we allow that, we may not deserve that, but that is what we get, we the honest productive Americans, if any of us are left standing. If, as your soft ball, and irrelevant question, does happen, I can certainly be wrong, then as President I will help, with my Product 1, and Product 2, offering, help, help, help, the honest American people by helping them, by helping them keep their own earnings, so they can then use their own power to do what they do best, and then they will, we will, be in a powerful position to out produce any other group of people, and if any other group of people decide not to trade with us, then, it will be their loss, not ours.

Quote43. Should the US work to reduce its stockpile of weapons of mass destruction? If not, what countries should possess such weapons?
You are speaking of specific things that exemplify legal crime. Criminals devise, invent, produce, and employ weapons of mass destruction. How can anyone be so far out of touch with reality to be led to believe otherwise? If we are defensive, and we are invaded, does it make any sense in the universe, to employ a weapon that kills everyone? What have you been lead to believe, and what gives you the authority to question me, as you parrot such absurd nonsense? Anyone having anything to do with the invention, production, and use of weapons of mass destruction, as far as I am concerned, are guilty of the worst possible crimes against humanity, as such willful employment of human power actually threatens human extinction, what worse crime can be imagined by anyone, please raise your hand? To me, not to Joe McCarthy, not a witch hunt, not a punishment routine, anyone caught in that act, at least, at the very least, should have their license revoked, their pay stopped, and then, at least, set them out to make an honest living, please. Stop financing the end of human life, is there a more important warning offered by anyone? I'm not the only one on this boat. Some of us have not yet lost our sanity.

Quote45. Explain the difference between law and legislation.
Law is an ongoing, adaptive, continuously improving, and a competitive, agreement between honest productive people, whereby honest productive people agree to avoid resort to the use of deceit, and honest productive people agree to avoid resorting to the use of threats of violence, and honest productive people agree to avoid the use of acts of violence, against the innocent, for profit, and if you can find, anywhere, a more concise, less ambiguous, higher quality, and lower cost definition of law, please do. Legislation is elaboration, a far as I am concerned, and so long as Trial by Jury works, as designed by agreement among honest productive people, no legislation has any power, so long as any one individual juror disagrees with any specific elaboration of law, or legislation.

Quote46. Should people be free to ingest substances without the approval of government? If not, why is government approval needed and how does it change the act?
People do ingest substances without approval. What does it matter to you, as to what I think they should, or should not do, and are you again using the term government as if there is only one, and as if there are not two, or three, or four, and many governments, where some are much better, and less costly, and some are much worse, and much more costly? Your question is again couched in the verbiage of legal crime, and if I can translate the question into a question that coveys meaning I offer: Will you plan on, and then execute the plan, to injure innocent people who decide to ingest substances, or, will I punish people I catch ingesting substances. The answer to the meaningful question is no, and none of my business, as a sovereign person, and none of my business as The President of a working Democratic Federated Republican experimental form of government. Suppose, however, that I do catch the Vice, and I do mean Vice, President taking a hit on the bong before a meeting?  I'll look into the camera and say: "Now that is a vice president." If the dude, or woman, can't handle the job, for any reason, it may be a good time to find a more competitive employee, what do you think?

Quote47. How small does a business have to be before it can't expect a government bailout in bad economic times?
That is covered very well in my Product 1, and Product 2, offering. Any person earns credit, as far as I am concerned, and therefore any person can borrow from their own good faith and credit, and who is to claim otherwise? Who is made to pay for the mistakes made by anyone, ever, and how does that process occur in any level, in a family, in a small business, a large business, a town, a city, a county, a State, a Nation, or a Federation, or a world? When power flows to those who use power to produce more power best, what do you think happens? When power flows to those who destroy things "best" what do you think happens. I don't chain myself down within the boundaries of the legal crime industry, I don't censor my thinking that does not conform to fashionable thought, I do not restrict my life down to a narrow line that has be dictated by fashion, or legislation, and therefore I can see things clearly, not muddled, not distorted, not confused, not filtered, and not according to your dogma. When power is allowed to flow, voluntarily, from those who create power, it tends to flow to those who use power best, to increase the quality of life, and to lower the cost of life, and my job will be to remove those criminal connections that hinder that natural flow of power. I can do that with my Product 1, and Product 2 plan. You cannot. You fail to see what I see, and you sound to me like a typical Gold Bug. I've read your work, and I've heard the tune you play. It is a false tune. You can play it. Have no fear from me. Play on. Be my guest.

Quote48. Would you support the abolition of the Bureau of Indian Affairs and leave the Indians alone?
That is not that simple. The Indian Problem was supposed to be solved with the all too familiar Final Solution, according to past executors of The Constitution, as they interpreted it. Now the natives of this land are regaining power, and in each State, in this involuntary Union, the original owners of this land are gaining competitive power. What will the governors of each State do, in the face of such competition?  What do State governors usually do when faced with internal competition? What is the moral thing to do? It is not a matter of leaving "them" alone. Native Americans can legitimately question the concept of land ownership, and you, or anyone, can say otherwise. Power will meet power. This, perhaps, will challenge, as much as anything, the validity of a Federated Democratic Republic, as that form of government is designed to allow competitive solutions to problems. The governors of one State may have a much better method of association with Native Americans compared to another State. Better for whom, at the expense of whom? As far as I know the Native American people, generally, do not volunteer to be citizens of the legal fictions created by the invaders, yet, they accept bribes, or cash, or reparations, or payoffs, or flows of surplus wealth denominated in dollars. Is that healthy? Is that a Federal level problem? Will the Federal level programs, or the Federal level legal organizations, or bureau, wither on the vine when the honest productive American citizens, tax payers, stop sending money to the legal criminals? My answer is yes, those bureaus will cease to exist, who will pay for them, who demands them, not I, do you? Will any honest productive person choose to send money to someone who then spends that money paying Native Americans for crimes committed long ago, or for any reason whatsoever? This is a serous problem, because it is a long, long, long, ongoing fraud. State governors may invent, or reinvent, treaties, internal treaties, and perhaps, I don't know, Native Americans can accept mutually beneficial agreements, or they can also vote with their feet, from one State, to a State where the governors don't willfully plan on injuring Native Americans, and then follow through with those plans. Each State can serve as an example of how best to associate with the Native American population. If anyone plans on, and then follows through with the plan, to injure innocent people, who allows it? Not me, not within my power. Why would I do so, in the long run such a careless choice threatens me.

Quote49. Would you seek the endorsement of the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service and perhaps have ads featuring this person or campaigning with him?
When Product 1, and Product 2 begin to cut off the flow of power from the honest productive people to the legal criminals, as planned, that office will no longer have power flowing to it. Will that employee continue working without pay? I do not think so. He may. I do not support legal crime, I do not associate with legal criminals, if I am elected as President I will have to get my hands dirty, I know it, it will be an abhorrent, disgusting, revolting job, moving so close to so many horrible examples of life, not really human, not in my opinion, these people are guilty of torture and mass murder, they are not human, they profit from the torture and mass murder of innocent children, innocent people, and they perpetuate the misery, on purpose, for profit, or just for fun. I don't know, and I don't want to know. My plan works so as to limit all association with the legal criminals, to cut the link, to sever the connection. In order to accomplish the goal I will have to get right in there and start pointing out each criminal, on T.V., live, show the world who they are, ask each of them why they are doing what they are doing, follow them as they try to hide, and look at it happening in your own mind. The halls of congress will be vacant before long. Who will be left to face the music? The ones who can't answer honest questions with honest answers without confessing guilt will run and hide. Ron Paul won't be there; if I win, he retires. I may find Rand Paul. We can chat. I may find Dennis Kucinich. Who else?  Campaigning with the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service? I'm not on that bus.

Quote50. Given the choice of two evils, should a person abstain from voting or vote for the lesser evil?
Are you experiencing a fit of guilt, and you wish for company? I do not vote because voting, to me, lends only psychological support to the legal criminals, voting is rigged, and I know it. You may think that choosing to not support the legal criminals is evil, and that may work in your mind, for whatever reason you invent. People who vote for liars are people who hire liars, and liars with that much power do what liars with that much power do, they torture, and they mass murder, so you can massage your guilt with your question, but I'm not buying into that lie. Anyone who add material (economic) or psychological (political) support to torturers and mass murderers are by that exact measure guilty of that exact thing. If knowing that causes you to invent fellows who share you misery, that is your choice, not mine.

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Honest Productive Americans,

First a mood setting song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bA1hYNMi74&feature=player_embedded#at=151

While that is playing I set about introducing the next link that is a report offered to you by Ron Paul on what I call The Problem, and the cause of The Problem, which I call Legal Crime. Legal criminals enforces abject obedience, everything they say is true every time they say anything, and you are punished. You are punished. There needs to be no reason, you are not allowed to even think that there needs to be a reason, you are not allowed to even question your enslavement, when Legal Criminals enforce The Problem to the limit.

What is the limit?

May I remind you of something, in case you are not quite sure as to the full measure of The Problem as I've described it.

Constitution of the United States
    Amendments 11-27
AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.


You can apply common sense in the effort to understand the full meaning of that law. You don't need a lawyer. Your superiors dictate to you, that is it, do not question that fact, if you do question that fact, and if you do then realize the need to disobey, you will be made to pay for all costs spent in defeating you, and if you then question your debt, for having paid for the enforcement of your blind obedience, you will be punished, since such questions are illegal, you cannot question the law enforcers power to punish you.

Do you understand the full measure of The Problem by simple application of common sense?

If your masters convince you that you can't even question their acts, their actions, then they can make you grovel, prostrate yourself before them, they can run red hot steel rods up your ass, and you have to beg for more, or else, and you have to, without question, offer your loved one's up to them, to pleasure them, to serve every desire they can dream up. You think I am crazy?

You are sending torturing mass murderers your power to survive, and what do you think they are going to do with that power that you once had, the same power you will need once you regain control of simple, common, sense?

Some common sense may be the order or the day, if you please, and as an exception to the rule, common sense is offered to you through an exceptional human being named Ron Paul:

http://lewrockwell.com/paul/paul752.html

While you read that I'm going to listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbI0cMyyw_M

The debt ceiling debate is providing plenty of opportunity for political theater in Washington. Proponents of raising the debt ceiling are throwing around the usual scare tactics and misinformation in order to intimidate opponents into accepting more debt and taxes. It is important to distinguish the truth from the propaganda.

That bears repeating:

It is important to distinguish the truth from the propaganda.

This is a default. Just because it is a default on the people and not the banks and foreign holders of our debt does not mean it doesn't count.

Look people, you are not listening, perhaps, as you can see, in the words quoted above, the person, Ron Paul, is guilty of questioning the law. His superiors allow him to do so, for now.

But the problem is not that the people are not taxed enough. The government has managed to run up $61.6 trillion in unfunded liabilities, which works out to $528,000 per household. A tax policy that would aim to extract even half that amount of money from American families would be unimaginably draconian, and not unlike attempting to squeeze blood from a turnip. This is, unequivocally, a spending problem brought about by a dramatically inflated view of the proper role of government in a free society.

Ron Paul uses the word DRACONIAN, and it may be a good idea to look up that word, and make sure that the meaning of that word is well understood, as I think that Ron Paul is very good at choosing words, so as to convey accurate meaning, instead of the typical politicians word choices, which are chosen as lies that cover up crimes - legal crimes.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/draconian

1.
of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Draco  or his code of laws.
2.
( often lowercase ) rigorous; unusually severe or cruel: Draconian forms of punishment.


What is Draco?

a late 7th-century b.c. Athenian statesman noted for the severity of his code of laws.

What kind of laws? You won't hear anyone else say it, so I'll say it, the kind of laws that are Draconian will be legal crime laws, whereby the supposed enforcer of law uses law to deceive targeted innocent victims, laws that are used by criminals to threaten their targeted innocent victims, and laws used by criminals to perpetrate horrible acts of torture and mass murder upon their terrorized legal victims.

How about a source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draco_%28lawgiver%29

The laws, however, were particularly harsh. For example, any debtor whose status was lower than that of his creditor was forced into slavery.[citation needed] The punishment was more lenient for those owing debt to a member of a lower class. The death penalty was the punishment for even minor offences. Concerning the liberal use of the death penalty in the Draconic code, Plutarch states:

    It is said that Drakon himself, when asked why he had fixed the punishment of death for most offences, answered that he considered these lesser crimes to deserve it, and he had no greater punishment for more important ones.[4]

All his laws were repealed by Solon apart from the one dealing with homicide.


And to help you, in case you forgot already, here is the modern version:

Constitution of the United States
    Amendments 11-27
AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.


Pay.

You need know no more, just that, just pay.

Do you get it yet?

You will get it, and once you do, don't question it, got it?

How much do you pay? You will need to know that much, don't question it, but you will need to know how much you must pay.

Ron Paul helps you with that amount, thanks to Ron we now know:

528,000 per household

Got that?

That is what each honest productive American must pay, without question.

You can say, Joe, while your knee is jerking, it isn't as you say, that old law was written way back when Lincoln freed the slaves, it no longer has any meaning, you are a conspiracy theorists, shut up.

You are massaging your own guilt, for not knowing the truth, as you have been told to do, in your sleep, as you watch T.V., or as you read Time magazine, or as you read any of the official, licensed, and subsidized (with your money), propaganda mouth pieces of those very legal criminals that spend your money so as to keep that money flowing from you to them, and you can jerk your knee until the red hot poker passes through it, at which time, too late then, you may realize what Ron Paul is now warning you.

Remember, what bears repeating?

It is important to distinguish the truth from the propaganda.

528,000 per household

You owe no body anything. Got that? They have borrowed from you. Do you understand that? They then say that you owe them for their act of borrowing from you. How does that manage to become truth to you? Then they tell you to pay them interest on the debt you have created upon yourself because they borrowed from you.

It is important to distinguish the truth from the propaganda.

Yes, Ron, it is. Yes, Dr. Paul, you know, you know.

So do I.

You can too.

Before it is too late.

received $5.3 trillion in bailouts

Follow through with that number, please, please, please, please, I'm begging you, please, know the full measure of that number. Your superiors, the legal criminals, the torturing and mass murdering group, the most powerful serial killers on the planet Earth, ever, gain, they gain, a measure of power over and above the measure of power they already have stolen.

They have already stolen enough power to steal that much more power, and do so legally.

Where did that power come from?

528,000 per household

Common sense, common sense, put on your common sense hats, or dunce hat, go to the corner with your dunce hat, and when you are ready to return, and when you are ready to put on your common sense hat, look here:

http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

Do you have the full measure of that power? That is more power in the hands of torturing mass murderers, how much more, Ron?

Say that three times fast:

How much more, Ron?
How much more, Ron?
How much more, Ron?

If you feel stupid, don't blame me, or go ahead and blame me, I'm not your superior, I'm not your master, ask your master if you can blame me.

528,000 per household

received $5.3 trillion in bailouts

What do you think all that power to purchase will purchase?

The next two links should separate the men from the boys, and the women from the innocent little girls.

The men may weep, the women may fully know the meaning of scorn, but what will they do, that is the full measure of the power struggle. What will the men, and women do, once they take Ron Paul's advice?

It is important to distinguish the truth from the propaganda.

Can you know that the money went to people, and those people have been called Wall Street. I'm not making this up. Check out the link:

http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/

You check it out, I won't even quote it.

What money went to Wall Street, and to the people in that group?

528,000 per household

received $5.3 trillion in bailouts

What are they going to do with that much more power to purchase? What will they buy next?

Lap dances?

Beer?

Next link:

http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

Do you know the full measure of those links, how much did those events cost, who paid the bills, who caused those events, who profited from those events, and do those events clue you in on what may be happening with your money now. What money?

528,000 per household

received $5.3 trillion in bailouts

Who would ever need 5.3 trillion dollars? Where would anyone ever get 5.3 trillion dollars?

Whoever managed to get 5.3 trillion dollars, take off your dunce hat, put on your common sense hat, they had to borrow it from someone, or some group of people.

528,000 per household

What are they going to buy with that power to purchase? 5 new houses per household, each costing 100,000 dollars, and 28,000 dollars left over for beer, and lap dances?

Put your dunce hat back on.

They are going to help you produce more wealth, for you, with that borrowed money, so that you will be much more powerful tomorrow than you are today.

People think I'm crazy. Stupid is what stupid does?

We need to stop allowing secretive banking cartels to endlessly enslave us through monetary policy trickery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpl6ncyxLGw&feature=player_embedded

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"4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

Gary North has his way of interpreting The Constitution. I have my way. You have your way. Whose way counts?

The Constitution was written so as to be constructively interpreted from the start, and that feature was supposed to be a secret, but people, like Patrick Henry, blew the whistle, not enough people listened.

The wanna be, and soon to be, tyrants who produced The Constitution, with the "sky is the limit" constructive interpretation feature secret, said that they weer Federalists, but the in-crowd knew that they were Nationalists, Monarchists, and Central Bankers, so that secret was also blown by whistlers. Not enough people listened.

The wanna be, and soon to be, tyrants claimed that they were against mob rule, that the ignorant masses could not be trusted with political power, men are bad, they knew Machiavelli, they knew that there are more than on way to skin a cat, yet, while claiming that the mob can't be trusted that is who they went to when they needed the political power required to get their enabling document, that abomination they call The Constitution ratified, and you, and you buddies, will call me crazy. Go ahead, ask for permission, and if you get permission, then call me crazy.

I know the purpose and design of The Constitution intended, and is in fact, and it is absolute dictatorship, torture and mass murder paid for by the victims.

You can have your way of interpreting it. Gary North can have his way. Which way counts?

Before returning to Gary North, I"ll quote from one of the warnings offered by Patrick Henry when he stood, and spoke, officially, in opposition to that enabling document.

http://www.wfu.edu/~zulick/340/henry.html

Note: Even to this day the dupes still call The Constitution: Federal (when in fact it is National - if words convey specific meaning: not duplicitous meaning)

My great objection to this government is, that it does not leave us the means of defending our rights, or of waging war against tyrants.

Falsehood is a mean tyrant.

Back to Gary North:

So, we may be heading into a Constitutional crisis to match the fiscal crisis. That will surely make the election of 2012 even more interesting.

Here is the thing, for you to consider, while you think about anyone, anywhere, who is a Friend of Liberty, earnestly, honestly, and willfully fighting against any foe who is planning on, and then succeeding in, enslaving targeted victims.

You need to know where the path goes, when the path goes away from Liberty. You obey.

That is all you need to know about that path, for now, and when the orders grow more, and more, and more absurd to you, you still obey. There is no limit, and you will find out, on this path. Obey.

Obey.

That is all. Just obey.

Bend over.

You obey.

Get the picture?

There is a red hot poker in the fire.

You may think, now, that I am being absurd. I'm not the one on the path to total obedience. So, you may need to ask, sooner, instead of too late, Joe, or anyone, hey, how far are we on this path, and who is doing anything about it, and are the things be done effective? Are we slowing down the rate of acceleration increase along this path?

You didn't know that the rate of acceleration along this path was increasing?

Take off your dunce hat, stand in the corner, when you are ready return and listen.

Do you have your common sense hat on now?

Which hat?

This one:

http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

Friends of Liberty grow weaker, at a specific rate, and those who plan on enslaving, and then follow through with the plan to enslave, grow stronger. How fast? Is the flow of power going fast? Is the flow of power going faster? Is the rate that the flow of power is going faster, and faster, increasing? What is the limit?

You think, no, that can't be, no, that is absurd, no, no, no, you can't take my arm, why isn't my fingers enough?

You tell me what the limit is, and see if that does you any good, I'm not asking you for your power, I'm one of the people saying to you, that you had better figure out a way to keep the power you have, since you may need it, and if you are going to be allowing your power to drain out rapidly, if that is what you are allowing, it may be a good idea to stop letting the legal criminals gather all that power up, because they are using that power they gather up, the gather that is draining from you, to drain power from you.

Stop listening to all the falsehood, long enough to return, for an instant, to common sense, and then, try to repeat that instant, and if that instant lasts longer, you are reducing the rate at which power flows from you, to the legal criminals, and if enough people do the same, the accelerated rate the power is flowing to the legal criminals may decrease ever so slightly.

Then the power flowing to the legal criminals slows down to a steady rate of acceleration, no longer increasing the rate of acceleration that power flows to them. Then, more dunces don the common sense hat, and the rate of acceleration decreases. Then, even more people allow common sense to enter their brains for more than just an instant, and then the decreasing rate of acceleration reaches a steady rate of power flowing to the legal criminals. Less torture. Less mass murder. Relatively speaking. The rate of power is still flowing rapidly to the legal criminals, it isn't accelerating anymore. That is a goal.

Then the goal is to reduce the rate by which the legal criminals are gaining power by stealing power from honest productive people. More, and more, and more people have to take off their dunce caps, don their common sense caps, and think about reducing that flow, then turn those thoughts into actions, and then the rate of power flowing to the legal criminals begins to reduce, and reduces more, and then more, and then, another goal is to have that power stop flowing to them.

They still have a lot of power, because they stole power for years, many years, just look into how much power they stole since 1945, look into C.A.F.R., follow the actual money trail published by the legal criminals, not for public consumption. The legal criminals will still have a whole lot of power. Many very expensive homes, all over the world, many slaves, many fellow legal criminals to have fun with, consuming their slaves, as they please. Well, there can be more goals, but at least the honest productive people are no longer paying to have their fingers cut off, their arms cut off, their blood drained out, and so the honest productive people can grow stronger, again.

Liberty is regime change.

Why resort to punishment?

Once the power stops flowing to the legal criminals, they will kill each other off, consume each other, and the honest productive people can get back to work.

Why wait?

All of that hard work fighting them can end in on one glorious day, call it Liberty Day, put that day on the calender, not this year in July, on the 4th, which is past, shoot for next year, in July, on the 4th, or agree to have Liberty Day on whatever day is more agreeable, but get that day on the calender, sooner, and not too late.

So, there you have it, then, a mutually agreeable day to hold Liberty Day, and you can use my suggestion, or anyone else's, be my guest, you are welcome, have at it, whatever turns your crank, pick a better day, so long as that day is on the calender.

What happens on that day?

Are you curious?

No more power flows to the legal criminals, on that day, and we all agree to accomplish that goal on that day, in unison, and we can do it safely from our own homes, in our own legal castles, in Liberty, because that is what we demand, and that is what we produce, and we do so honestly, and we do not have to resort to deceit, and we do not have to resort to threats of aggressive violence, and we do not have to plan on and execute any aggressive violence whatsoever. We can even take that day off and clean our guns, or go target practicing, or drink beer, or ask our wives to pretend to be lap dancers, or whatever you decide, yourself, so long as you are not thinking and acting like any other criminal, legal or otherwise.

We give notice, more than two weeks, and we decide to use a better money, no more of that legal crime stuff, no more Federal Reserve System of Extortion monopoly money, on that Liberty Day, on the calender.

Did you run and get your dunce hat, are you wearing your dunce hat now?

Take off your dunce hat, sit in the corner, return here when you are again ready to put back on your common sense hat.

Are you back? Did you run off screaming NO, NO, NO, say it isn't so JOE, you are crazy, you are crazy, it can't be that simple, NO, NO, NO, I can't hear this, I can't think this, this is against the law, I can't question THE NATIONAL DEBT!

Don't.

Ignore it. It will go away.

If you have your common sense hat back on, you can smile, and your smile will be similar to the smiles that the legal criminals have on their criminal faces as they take their lies all the way to their banks, they smile, because all their victims have their dunce hats sewed firmly in place, and they laugh, and laugh, and laugh, as their victims try to fight them with the rule book they wrote for their victims, ha, ha, ha, ha, what a funny joke.

Once you turn that around, the joke is on them. Not you.

When the legal criminal read my words, as I report to you what can be done, and what will be done, to end their regime of falsehood, and all the terror that goes with it, the smiles will be wiped off their faces, just as quickly as their kind will be wiped off the face of the Earth, they will be no more, on Liberty Day, because everything that needs to happen will happen before Liberty Day, once Liberty Day is on the calender.

Did you run away again? Is the dunce cap still held by treads stitched into the flesh, or even bone, of your skull?   

When everyone trusts everyone else, all the honest productive people, what do you think happens? When everyone knows, and we know, that we will do this on that new day, we will start preparing for that day now, and on that day, no more power flows to them, from us. Too bad for them.

What is keeping us from this goal?

What goal?

You ran away again?

Liberty

What are we fighting? You need to know. You have helpers. You can know. I'll offer one of the best helpers I know, not the best, but one of the best:

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/solzhenitsyn/nobel-lit1970.htm

HEED:

We will be told: What can literature do against the pitiless onslaught of naked violence? Let us not forget that violence does not and cannot flourish by itself; it is inevitably intertwined with LYING. Between them there is the closest, the most profound and natural bond: nothing screens violence except lies, and the only way lies can hold out is by violence. Whoever has once announced violence as his METHOD must inexorably choose lying as his PRINCIPLE. At birth, violence behaves openly and even proudly. But as soon as it becomes stronger and firmly established, it senses the thinning of the air around it and cannot go on without befogging itself in lies, coating itself with lying's sugary oratory. It does not always or necessarily go straight for the gullet; usually it demands of its victims only allegiance to the lie, only complicity in the lie.

When the force of Liberty, which is a competitive force, rolls, nothing can stop it, and it is non-aggressively-violent, it is productive. Between now and liberty day, not on the calender, or between now and Liberty Day, on the calender, people will produce a competitive currency, or two, or three, or many, and the one legal monopoly enforcement currency will wither on the vine, because it isn't competitive, it is very low quality, and it is way too expensive.

Back to Gary North:

The Democrats want to tax the rich.

I abhor falsehood, because falsehood covers up all that is need to avoid having honest productive people sending their power to legal criminals who then use that power torturing innocent people, mass murdering them, and doing so by producing more falsehood, stitching falsehood onto the skulls of their victims.

Who are these "Democrats" who want to tax the rich? Why can't it be known, the full measure known, that honest productive people, who happen not to be republicans, may want to simply stop sending their earnings to the legal criminals who are rich because they steal all they can from the honest productive people, and they do so by using their enabling documents, such as The Constitution?

Knowing that full measure of that truth uncovers the big lie, so, stitch, stitch, stitch, the threads through your skull, and get that dunce hat on - firmly.

Gary North is probably speaking only about legal criminals, who happen to be democrats today, and they may turn into republican tomorrow, or whenever the other false title is preferable, so as to keep the power flowing faster, and faster, in the desired direction.

I can't speak for Gary North, I can quote him, as I hold the fire to his words, trying to cook out all falsehoods, as I see them.

But they are unlikely to get the House to accept this.

A legal criminal, by definition, is a person who uses law power to accomplish the goal of injury upon innocent people, by way of deceit, by way of threats of violence, and by way of acts of violence, that is the plan, that is the defining plan, and that as the action, premeditated aggressive violence upon the targeted innocent victims, lawfully done, which is how a legal criminals defines him, or her, self.

There is a legal criminal.

There is an innocent victims.

The legal criminal hatches the plan.

The innocent victim is as yet uninjured.

The legal criminal executes the plan, him, or herself, or hires an accomplice, and the plan is followed through.

The innocent victim is then injured by the legal criminal and all the accomplices, to the full extent of their own guilt in that specific legal crime.  

Leave me out of it. Legal criminals define themselves, and that has nothing to do with me, I am merely the messenger. I do not pay voluntary taxes, I am not a legal criminal accomplice. I do not vote so as to hire someone to cause injury to some poor, or rich, innocent victim, who does? I do not vote for liars, so as to have liars massage my guilt either, who does?

You?

Did you go scrambling to get your dunce hat, or was there just one stitch undone for the barest minimum of time?

The fear of negative political sanctions is the greatest fear of politicians.

What about the greatest fear of legal criminals? What happens when the legal criminals know that on a certain date on the calender all the honest productive people stop using legal crime money, and therefore, on that day, no more power flows to the legal criminals? Do you think that the legal criminals may, then, have something to fear, not just "fear itself"? They would have to get an honest job, and begin producing something of high enough quality, and low enough price, to actually earn a living, without resort to deceit, without resort to threats of violence, and without resort to acts of willful violence against defenseless innocent victims, or, even worse, they have to compete with each other legal criminal for a steadily shrinking supply of stolen wealth.

I think Gary North is speaking in terms of the legal crime fraud loop, you know, The Funny Business Cycle, where the game is made to go on forever, so long as the honest productive people keep their dunce hats stitched into their skulls.

I think Gary North knows better, but that is just a guess on my part.

This is very good news for taxpayers.

I know that Gary North knows what would really be very good news for taxpayers. If a taxpayer can pick and choose how much to pay, to whom, and in what form the payment will be paid, then, that is very good news for taxpayers. For legal criminals, on the other hand, having no choice is good news.

Pay

Pay what?

Whatever I say, when I say it, and without question, and hold on there, a stitch has obviously come undone, but I have a new staple gun...there you go, on your way.

Any increase in the debt ceiling will send a message to Tea Party voters: this government is out of control on spending. Most voters are becoming vaguely aware that something very big and very bad is on the horizon, but they are not sure exactly what.

You think I'm crazy? I am crazy enough to have run for congress. I remember a question asked at a rigged "Debate", where the one who was elected, on schedule, was not attending, and an older lady questioned my speech about the nature of voluntary taxes, in Liberty, and involuntary taxes being no different than any other crime, in principle. The older lady was fearful of bad guys, and so, she thought that Liberty would take away her power to make her neighbors pay for her security. I did what I could to undo the dunce hat that was so well stitched onto her skull, without resort to deceit, on my part, and without resort to threats of violence, on my part, and without resort to aggressive violence on my part.

The very big, and very bad, thing, is blind obedience to falsehood, which is in your brain, and peaking into your brain is light, facts, awareness, conscience, consciousness of reality concerning all that goes with demand for and the steadily increasing supply of falsehood.

Read the warning from Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn who traveled to the end of that road, and survived to tell you about it. Fear itself may be bad, but a Tener in the Gulag is a reality that can't be hidden from those in it, not without insanity as the escape. Once at the end of that road you don't get mind numbing drugs, they are too expensive, you don't get mind numbing television, that is too expensive, you don't get any form of relief from pain, you don't get it, do you, you get pain, that is what you get, that is on the end of the falsehood road, a steady supply of falsehood leads to a steady supply of pain, and many fellow legal criminals willing to supply pain to you, free of charge.

You don't get it. But you will, on this road. You may die before the worst of it, but when, in what kind of world, is death a solution?

The Final Solution.

Know the road you are on, because not knowing is a default road, a road waiting for you to follow, as ordered.

I was only following orders, who me?

Most Tea Party voters are not direct owners of Treasury debt. They do not perceive the degree to which they are indirect owners: pension funds, money market funds, local bank holdings. They will not resist an increase in the debt ceiling with the same ferocity that they will resist an increase in Federal taxes.

Can you tear loose a few stitches on the dunce cap for a few seconds?

Imagine the scramble to move dollar denominated savings once the word is published, honorably, honestly, and willfully, that the honest productive people, as one, are no longer going to use the legal monopoly money on July 4th 2012, that morning, no more, no more will there be a connection between the honest productive people and the legal criminals by that product, that dollar thing.

Can you imagine? Suppose we the people, the honest productive Americans, declare our independence from those legal criminals, through that legal money extortion racket, and we make this public announcement today, or tomorrow, or next week, at least by November. So, there you go, it is November, the notice is served, advance notice, plenty of time to get all your ducks in a row, anyone having any interest in what the honest productive American people do, which money the will, or will not use, and on July 4th 2012, we, the people, will no longer use dollars, we will be using whatever anyone of of us wants, at that time, no dollars, too bad for those people who have bet the farm on dollars, but you have time, get your act together, plenty of time between November and July.

Legal Criminals:
But people, people, people, you are not supposed to question The National Debt, didn't you read the script?
 
Honest Productive Americans:
I tried reading it. Too much fine print. I have work to do, lawyers make what serves their interest, not mine, obviously, haven't you read The Declaration of Independence, the first one, or the second one, where have you been, we are giving plenty of time, advance notice, what do you have to offer now, same old extortion racket, no thanks, we demand higher quality, and lower cost to us, not the same deal you gave us, we are not out to enslave you. See how that works?

Legal Criminals:
I have the dogs of war ready to go, you had better obey, or else.

Honest Productive Americans:
Many of the people who constitute the dogs of war, and they are very good at it, well trained, honorable, and most are honest productive Americans, who may have signed onto the new Declaration of Independence, if so, as promised, they won't be accepting dollars either, how many do you count on firing at fellow friends of liberty?

It may be a good time to write a script of our own, one based upon common sense, instead of one based upon insanity, stupidity, ignorance, lies, and violence.

This widespread faith in Treasury debt, despite the frightening balance sheet of the U.S. government and the equally frightening balance sheet of the Federal Reserve System, is remarkable. It is widespread. It is the basis of the retirement plans of millions of Americans. It is the basis of the solvency of banks and money market funds.

The basis for "faith" in Treasury debt is falsehood. Gary North is spewing forth more falsehood. As soon as the honest productive American people, enough of them, know that they have the power to choose any better money the will do so, and at that moment the dollar value will vanish. Treasury debt is denominated in dollars, so it will become worthless over night. That is why I am telling you, you honest productive Americans, that there needs to be a time span between serving notice and going through with the execution phase of the plan.

You serve the legal criminals notice.

You say: We will no longer be sending you our power through your extortion racket money scam, and will will do so on July 4th 2012, you had better get your F**##^ act together by then. You had better, for example, elect Ron Paul as your president, and just maybe, only God knows how, he can save your asses.

If they claim that they will be enforcing The National Debt, and that taxes must be paid in dollars, what do you say?

You say: If dollars are what some of us choose, it is because you have made dollars worth something by July 4th 2012, if not, who is going to choose that worthless crap? All of us are going to choose whatever money we decide to use, and if we all choose one money, that is what we do, and if half of us choose gold, and the other half use something invented between now and July 4th 2012, that is what we do, each of us will individually choose whatever we choose, in liberty, and if you expect any of us to pay taxes, you had better get your converters rolling and fix your estimate of our tax burden based upon an accurate standard of value, the highest quality, at the lowest cost, we are no longer going to accept less. If you say we owe this much, we pay, or not, in our currency of choice, you accept what we can pay, in the form we can pay, or pound sand, go get a productive job, because you suck at this one.

The problem with this optimism is that it undermines any resistance by voters to a meaningful solution to the deficit, which must begin with massive spending cuts.

You need to know that The National Debt is roughly the same thing as The Military Expense. The U.S.A. Inc. (LLC) corporate military is employed in the work of enforcing The National Debt. It is that simple, and it is all denominated in dollars. Dollars are supplied by one legal entity, also known as The Dollar Hegemony. One legal person has the power to double the total amount of dollars.

Do you have that much power?

Yes, you do, but you can't get away with such a crime. Try it. Find out.

Write a 10 trillion dollar check. Cash it.

What would any one person, or any small group of people do, what is the limit of what they would do, to seize that much power, and keep that much power?

The Federal Reserve operators doubled the total supply of dollars in 2008. Gary North reported this awhile ago, and he links The Federal Reserve web page as the source of that information. What do you think is going on in Libya? The Dollar Hegemony is enforcing The Dollar Hegemony. There can be no competition, as soon as there is competition, there is no monopoly, no World Reserve Currency. What is competition?

A money that is higher in quality.

A money that is lower in cost.

Why do the Chinese buy Treasury Bonds? They have their own monopoly going, extorting from their own people, and the very few on the top most powerful people list, are fellow friends of despotism, they agree to split their turf when they agree, and they fight, when they fight, and among those people some are smarter than others, and some manage to cause fights, and some managed to profit from those fights, and who loses?

Who pays the bill?

Someone has to pay the bill.

Why do you think the following law is actually written into The Constitution (amendment):

"4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

The most powerful people transfer power from source of power, which is the producers of power, and they must be honest, otherwise no one would trust them, no one would trade with them, and they may not be too smart, about the most powerful people, but they know how to honest produce something worth stealing, in the eyes of a criminal.

So how is it that the most powerful people manage to make the producers of power believe that the transfer of power from the producers to the legal criminals amounts to a loan taken out from the legal criminals by the producers?

Power is produced by the producers, who are the source of power.

Legal criminal steal that power and then they demand payments from the producers who are led to believe that they owe the legal criminals money.

The National Debt

"4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

Get it?

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

Not yet?

Dunce hat on:

"4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

Dunce hat off, common sense hat on:

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

Dunce hat on:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Dunce hat off, common sense hat exposed under the dunce hat:

Liberty Day 2012, July 4th, no more power will flow to the legal criminals by way of the dollar extortion racket, here is your notice, delivered in November.

You want even more advice on the path back to Liberty, slowing down then stopping then reversing the march to absolute despotism?

When we hand them the notice in November we can vote too, I won't, I know it is rigged, voting is not a waste either, it is lending psychological support to legal crime, pretending that it isn't a scam, when it is a scam. Voting is another way by which power flows from the honest productive people to the legal criminals, not in all cases, but a the National level the effort is a net loss for us, and a net gain for them, no matter what "choice" you make.

Those that vote don't get it. They are obeying. They are doing what they are told to do, and they care less about why they do it, or what they are doing, or they are willful criminals themselves, and their cares amount to the same care, shared by all criminals, which is to desire, then plan, then execute injury to innocent victims, by way of deceit, by way of threats of violence, and by way of acts of violence.

Back to Gary North (and I have to rap this up soon, and it is already too late for a sound bite):

They believe in their hearts that, because it is Constitutionally illegal to undermine the solvency of the Federal government, free market forces will not create interest rate conditions that will undermine the full faith and credit of the United States government.

I don't know what "they" believe, but I know that a person who does desire, and then does plan, and then does execute injury onto innocent victims is someone who can be defined accurately as a criminal, as they inevitably use deceit, threats of violence, and then acts of violence upon the innocent victims targeted.

What does Gary North mean when Gary North says "interest rate conditions"?

Typically there are people who desire money to work for them, and that same money, works against other people. Typically there are people who desire that flow of power, by way of having money work for them, as money works against other people, will make plans to have that flow of power working that way, with that money, working that way. Then those people execute those plans.  

Is that interesting to you?

What is the "Free Market" free of, or from? Deceit?

If any person seeking money has a choice between product A at a higher quality and lower cost, or product B, at a lower quality and higher cost, which will be the choice made in a free market?

A. Expensive, worthless,  fraudulent, crap
B. Lower cost, accurate, powerful, stuff

What is then:

1. Interest Rate Conditions
2. The best money in a free market

Interest is the cost of money, to the victims. Interest is the profit of money to the criminals.

What do you mean Joe? You are nuts. In a free market the interest rate will go up, where have you been?

A free market is free from deceit, or it is not free from deceit, and then it is a free market that is freed up from actual facts, and the freedom of the market is one that is free to be full of lies.

Is that the free market?

Free to be full of lies?

You, in a free market, have a choice between money A, and money B.

Which do you choose?

Stumped?

If you happen to have a whole lot of money, lots, and lots, and lots, of dollars, titles, shares, gold stocks, gold bonds, bonds, notes, accounts, off-shore accounts, investments, insurance plans, retirement plans, holdings, cash, silver, stocks, rights, lefts, upside downs, piles, and piles, and endless piles of money, and you want it to work for you, while you sit back and watch that money working, working, and working for you, all that money working, working, and working for you, you choose one kind of money.

1. Powerful stuff (enforced at the point of a gun, failure to pay is not an option) that costs the workers lots, and lots, and lots, of money, in interest payments, the higher the interest paid to you, from them, the better.

2. Higher quality, powerful money, accurate money, at a lower cost (low interest rate).

Which do you choose if you have a whole lot of money, and you really don't want the power of your money to decrease, and you really don't want your money to cost you anything, you don't want to have to pay someone else for the poor investment choice of having your money denominated in a form that devalues over time, you prefer to have someone else pay you to have their poor investment choice of having their money denominated in a form that devalues over time.

Which money do you choose if you have a whole lot of money? How much better is your choice if you have even more money?

Stumped?

1,000,0000,0000

What is 10 percent of 1 dollar?

How much can your money make, if your money works, and works, and works, and works it's little heart out, at 10 percent per year when you have 1 dollar paying you, all by it's self, it pays you, it works for you, and it transfers 10 percent per year more money, to you?

You get 10 cents, per year, because your money works for you. Good, good, good, money, working it's little heart out, just for you, and just for anyone else who chooses that money as the one money, the only money, and no other money is allowed.

What happens if you have no money, but you can work your little heart out, then, which money do you choose?

If you are allowing your dunce cap to bust one stitch, I'm going to rip the dunce cap off now.

Gold pays no interest.

Gold is stable, accurate, and it is difficult to manipulate the supply once it is in circulation. It is not only possible, it has been done, and it can be done again, whereby the ready, liquid, supply of gold is manipulated by a few people who then use that power to manipulate the supply of gold to make power flow to them, as power flows from everyone else, everyone connected to each other with gold.

How much gold do you own?

If you have no gold, no money, but you are ready, willing, able, and working, and working, and working, which money do you choose?

If all the people who have no gold, no silver, no money, and all the people who are honest, working, able, ready, willing, and working pick one money, the best money, which money do they pick, and why do they pick that money, and is it the same money as the money picked by all the people who have gold, silver, and lots, and lots, and lots, of money, stocks, bonds, interests, titles, patents, licenses, subsidies, contracts, bonds, accounts, benefits, wealth, riches, power, and more power?

A. Money chosen by working people (who don't have money working for them)
B. Money chosen by people who have money working for them.

Is the money chosen by A and B the same money choice, and if not, why not, and can the people choosing A keep choosing A even while the people choosing B choose B?

Why is there a law that forces anyone to use one money?

Why is there no competition in legal money allowed by law, why is there an enforced money monopoly?

Competition forces the quality of money up, and the cost of money down, because a supplier who supplies an expensive, worthless, deceitful, money, to anyone, while another supplier supplies an honest, accurate, powerful, lower cost money, is uncompetitive, noncompetitive, and who would settle for less, if allowed to choose?

If all the honest productive people, who work, but who don't work for money, choose one money, and it pays no one any interest, then that is what they do, they don't have any interest in a money that works for them, does their work for them, not that money, they choose a money that doesn't work for anyone, other than a money that is merely honest, merely accurate, merely capable of accurately recording how much one person works compared to how much another person works, and the money chosen, by these honest productive people is incapable of accurately measuring how much someone can sit, and do nothing, and yet power flows to them, each second, each minute, each hour, each day, each month, each year, each decade, and each century, flowing, flowing, and flowing to them, penny by penny, nickle, by nickle, quarter by quarter, dimes too, dollars, dollars, thousands, millions, and now trillions of dollars, flowing, flowing, flowing, from the source of wealth, those who create it, to those who managed to have their accounts grow, and grow, and grow, for doing nothing, if the honest productive people don't choose a money that works, all by itself, money doing the work, not chosen, not choosing money that works, if the honest productive people choose, merely, an accurate, powerful, low cost, money, will those who choose the other money have trouble exchanging their money for ours?

If your money is backed by the good faith and credit, and potential to do work, of all the honest productive American people, and their money is backed by all the deceit, threats of violence, and acts of violence, monopoly control over information, monopoly control over law enforcement, and monopoly control over oil, and monopoly control over licenses, and monopoly control over their money, among the people who choose their money, whose money will be more powerful?

A. Our money, honest money, backed by honest productive production
B. Their money, fraudulent money, backed by lie, threats of violence, and aggressive violence not limited to torture and mass murder

Do you see how the question is moot, since we are duped into using their money?

Suppose liberty day occurs, as offered, and from November to July there is a scramble among the power elite to deal with the new, impending, reality, and the force of competition begins to work as new inventions, adaptations, and competitive monetary products begin to enter the market so as to supply the stated demand that was made by all the honest productive Americans according to their honorable, determined, diligent, honest, and willful demand for their own money, the best money, the highest value money, the most powerful money, at the lowest possible cost, and improving, adapting, higher power, higher power still, lower cost, even lower cost, as time goes by, settling for no less, not settling for expensive worthless extortion racket money another second after July 14 2012.

Suppose that day passes.

What do you think is produced as the money of choice in America under those conditions described above? You may have to allow at least one stitch on the steel wires that sew your dunce cap onto your skull to loosen up slightly for a fraction of a second on this concept, then you may begin to see clearer, and you may like it.

Back to Gary North, and I'm on a roll, so other things are being put off, until I have to return to productive work.

Americans are not going to experience any increase in their tax burden this year or next year. The Democrats would have to gain a clean sweep of Congress and the White House in 2012 for taxes to be raised. If the Bush rates are allowed to lapse, we have until 2013 to escape new taxes.

That is called bait and switch. Notice how the term Americans are used to target the people who pay taxes, while the term Democrats are used as the term that targets the people who enforce tax payments. You are being led to believe that Democrats are the bad guys, all of them, and who then, roll your eyes, rub your chin, who, who, who, are the good guys?

Hmmmmmm

The Austrian Economists!

Of course. The republicans! Yes, yes, the ones who are armed with the mighty Constitution, which is a Dictatorial Nation State, not a Republic. Even if they mean well, well, what do they actually mean to do ?

You can't depend upon the authorities to dictate to you what you need, what you will get is a Dictatorial Nation State.

The problem is this: addiction. The Communist politicians are addicted to a domestic boom funded by monetary inflation. The Chinese exporters are addicted to Western consumers. Western consumers are addicted to low-cost goods from China. Western politicians are addicted to Chinese central bank purchases of Western government IOUs.

Here is where Austrian Economics falls flat. By whatever label, whatever term, whatever word, whatever name, that power creates more power, the fact remains to be that power creates more power. If power is used in China to create more power, more electricity, more electric cars, more solar panels, more power, less cost, less pollution, less toil, less torture, less stealing, less deceit, less wrong employment of power, less destruction, more power, more power being used to make more power, by any name, stays the same thing, more power.

If all the power produced by honest Americans now flows to China, and if in China that power is then used to make much more power, more power, and more power, what happens?

People in American grow weaker.

People in China grow more powerful.

What happens if you follow the money? You will find out that power is being stolen from the honest productive American people and that power is being sent to empower all the enemies of the honest American people and as soon as is inhumanly possible there will be a war between the honest, but gullible American people, and the honest, but gullible Chines people, and the single global money monopoly power will transfer to China, instead of the single global money monopoly being based in American, The Federal Reserve legal entity - to be precise.

The power flowing to China, as far as I know, is causing massive torture, and massive murder, in China, along with massive production of more power, the costs are high, borne by the honest Chinese people, and the profits are high, stolen by whomever has the most power, and that group may not have any affiliation to any Nation whatsoever, or any affiliation to anyone other than that group, and that group may, or may not print their own stationary, and place adds in the paper, or on T.V., or in the World Wide Web. China is being polluted, as far as I know, the air they breath is costing them a whole lot more, now that China is on the BOOM cycle, on schedule.

Who knows best how to produce the highest quality life, at the lowest cost? The Austrian Economists, and no one else? Do you believe it? If the honest productive Chinese people sever their connection to their legal criminals before we do, what do you think is going to happen while they keep their own power, employ their own power, to do what they do best, while we remain firmly connected to our legal criminals, with our dunce caps sewed to our skulls, and our power flowing from us to our legal criminals through the dollar unit of legal extortion?

Blame the democrats here at home? Blame the democrats in China? Praise the republicans here at home? Praise the republicans in China? That is a false script.

A. Honest productive people in America.
B. Honest productive people in China
C. Legal criminals in America
D. Legal criminals in China
E. The actual upper 1% of the most powerful people on the planet Earth, only affiliated to any legal fiction when such a false affiliation serves the interests of that exclusive, elite, group of criminals.

If power flows from any of those groups above that power must first come from group A and B, without group A and B, there is no power to flow anywhere. How does power end up flowing to group E?

Common sense: that power flows by way of deceit. Remove your dunce cap. It may be painful. There may be a whole lot of people trying to keep the stitches in place. Does that make you want to keep the dunce cap on, or does the fact that a whole lot of people want your dunce cap firmly sewed to your head inspire you to have the slightest interest in removing it?

Cut off a stitch, there may be tears, there may be blood, but get out a good pair of wire cutters, and cut a stitch off, let some facts in, see what happens.

But they can impose the hidden tax of monetary inflation, which redistributes wealth toward those citizens who get early access to newly created central bank money (#2).

Power flows from those who create it, and those who steal that power now have the power to double the supply of dollars, as they did in 2008. Use your brain. What can you do with trillions of dollars worth of purchasing power? Why would you create trillions of dollars worth of purchasing power? Why would you spend trillions of dollars worth of purchasing power in the effort to make your enemies stronger, while, at the same time, you are made that much weaker?

Who is the fool? Who is driving around in limousines, bypassing security checks, flying in private jets, flying to their multiple mansions across the Globe, as they say, we are broke, we made the same mistake again, we will try harder this time, send my your poor, send me your tired, send me your hungry, I want to torture and mass murder more people now.

Oh, you didn't get the hidden message, in the fine print? Too busy?

The message: get a central bank for your nation, so that your politicians can declare war more readily and stay in that war far longer.

The part that the Austrian get wrong is the part that it doesn't matter what name is attached to the process by which power is used to create more power, which can be called fried chicken, so long as power is used to create more power. The process will be voluntary. The process will be honest. The process will be productive. The process will have a lower amount of power at the start, and the process will have a greater amount of power at the end, and the process will increase the quality of life, the standard of living, and the process will decrease the cost of living, and no one will be targeted as the victims that have to pay for any gains made by anyone else, which measures up as a net loss in power, by that exact measure. Call the process capitalism, if that works for you, call the process socialism, if that works for you, what is in a name? If the name is used by honest productive people then the name becomes something usable to the legal criminals, as a false front. There is historical precedent.  Back when the Federalists were the honest productive people the Nationalists stole that name, and used that name as a false front, and back then the honest productive people were also called liberals, and the legal criminals have since stolen that name too, as a false flag, a false front, a means by which their true color is hidden, and a means by which their targeted victims are rendered powerless against victimization.

Socialism was once, back in the days before the Civil War (which was not civil by any measure) based upon The Sovereignty of the Individual above all other powers. What have the legal criminals done in the name of socialism today?

Capitalism, as far as I know, is a method of pricing. What have the legal criminals done in the name of capitalism today?

There will be no tax increases in the USA before 2014. There will be great increases in Federal debt.

No advice from Gary North?

How about honest productive Americans, as one, decide to declare independence from the dollar, and all that goes with it, including all that National Debt, and serving notice in November, we have plenty of time to get on the same page by then, we have the internet now. We serve them notice, and on July 4th 2012 we will be using higher quality money, at lower costs, and Gary North, bless his heart, won't tell you this, he won't explain how this works, because his dunce cap is sewed on too tight, perhaps. I don't know.

He won't tell you the things you need to know.

We can do this, it is not difficult, just agree, one at a time, agree, no more legal criminals, it is within our power to sever the connection, which is the monopoly money extortion racket, let everyone know we demand something that does not transfer power to the legal criminals, and we will have what we demand by July 4th 2012, once we serve notice in November.

Liberty Day can happen, it will be regime change, out with The Dollar Hegemony, which is on the way out anyway, the legal criminals are working to change regimes according to their schedule, but instead of us accepting, blindly, their new regime, we demand our own, and we make it, and we use it, and since we then have all the power we alone create, we then have the power to make more power, and none of our power makes the legal criminals stronger, and none of our power is used, by the legal criminals, to make us weaker.

Deal?

I have work to do, no time to edit.

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Not surprisingly, many of these concepts originate in countries not enamored with Washington’s influence, perhaps none so more than “Axis of Evil” charter member Iran, which has seen its economy hammered by more than three decades of U.S.-led sanctions. Now Iran is working a program, that, if it succeeds, could help undermine the dollar’s preeminence as the world’s reserve currency more effectively than a Republican filibuster.

Iran’s sly weapon against the Great Satan’s currency? An oil bourse on Kish Island in the Persian Gulf, which has now begun selling high-grade Iranian crude oil.


Anyone,

In simple terms:

Problem:
Allow honest productive Americans to gain too much power and they will have enough power to avoid being victimized.

Solution:
Ruin the American economy.

Problem:
Need more power flowing to us than power flows to anyone else.

Solution:
Control the world oil supplies and in turn control the worlds money supply and in turn control economic boom and bust worldwide, reward obedience with boom, punish disobedience with bust, power flows from producers to the legal criminals during boom as new money is spent first by the legal criminals, and power flows to the legal criminals during bust as titles during default flow to the legal criminals.

Problem:
Some group somewhere may someday learn how to do without the legal criminals.

Solution:
Find those groups and subjugate them, or eliminated them.

Problem:
One world government removes all pretense of legitimacy, allowing the victims to know without a shadow of doubt who the legal criminals are, and all power of defensive will therefore be focused upon defending against the known enemies of liberty.

Solution:
Constant warfare, divide and conquer, punish those who do not obey with bust, reward those who do obey with boom, and always have power transferring from those who produce power to those who steal it.

Know the principles and interests of the legal criminals and the News allowed into your brain will make more sense.

There will be escalation of torture, mass murder, serial killing, all done legally, because one group of honest productive people will be set against another group, so as to keep the total power level down to a manageable level, no one power can be allowed to overpower all the other powers, there can't be a world government, and please understand why that cannot be allowed to happen.

One world government is total monopoly, and no sane person left alive would then have any other enemy other than the one world government.

See it?

All defensive power, worldwide, would then be focused onto that one point, and the legal criminals running that one power would have everyone, all, against that one, known, group.

There must be division, pretended competition, false competition, whereby one honest productive group is defending against a false enemy, and another honest productive group is defending against a false enemy, and honest productive people shunt their power in the work of destroying each other.

Please get that straight in your head as you read the news.

Given that the world currently consumes roughly 83 million barrels of crude oil each day, the initial oil offerings at the Iranian stock exchange are hardly going to make or break the market, but they do represent an attempt by a significant oil producer to divert revenue streams from New York Mercantile Exchange, the world's largest physical commodity futures exchange, which handles West Texas Intermediate benchmark futures, and London's Intercontinental Exchange, which deals in North Sea Brent. All trades are in dollars, effectively giving the U.S. currency a monopoly. 

You may want to take a break right here and watch a very good presentation done by a very funny person, be entertained by the next link, have fun, and I can add a warning to you, question everything, and in my mind I question the concept of "overpopulation", which the comedian doesn't, but watch the link, see what makes sense in it, and be entertained with this example of British "dry" humor.

For your pleasure:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5267640865741878159

We have not yet been told to hate the Chinese, and if you have been watching these events for over 25 years you may agree with my assessment, if you have not been witnessing the strange vacuum of information about China, the almost total lack of "NEWS" coverage on China, you have not been asking, for 25 years, why, why, why, are the legal criminals making sure that their American victims are clueless about China.

The home grown versions of legal criminals, here in America, have a job to do, and their job is to facilitate the downfall of the American Economy, and during that downfall they are moving our power to other places, secret places, and not so secret places. Why?

What are you going to do when you need, absolutely need, more power, and there is no power anywhere? Why wait? Can't you see? You have the power to find other people to trust, and to form mutual agreements, and the more joining those voluntary associations the more power you all have, honestly, so as to accomplish any productive work you can imagine into being.

Why would any group in America be rendered powerless? It is a simple question. The answer is simple. You don't need a lawyer, an economics professor, a politician, or authority to answer the question, accurately, so that you are armed with the truth, and so that you can proceed from a point of powerful existence onto a point of greater power in your life.

Do not settle for the conditions of life that are being forced upon you, that is the road to living hell, and you have been warned. Get off that road sooner, before it is too late.

The legal criminals are setting up World War III so as to usher in a new regime. The new regime will not be based in America, and therefore Americans will no longer be producing their power, they will be required to borrow power from the new regime, and the new regime will charge interest on any power borrowed from the new regime, and that will place Americans between a rock and a hard place. You have no power. You need power. The new regime will be the only source of power, and use of that power, that you need, will enslave you, you will then be hooked.

For the past 100 years America was the regime known as The World Reserve Currency, going back to roughly 1900, during the change over from what was then called The British Empire to what became known as The Dollar Hegemony. The Dollar Hegemony is on the way out, and the new regime is not advertized, and it will not be announced, and the only ones who know will be the ones who move their accounts right when those accounts need to be moved, and everyone else will be left holding the empty bag.

You can't see it, if you don't know how to measure it.

How much surplus wealth continues to be held, accounted for, by honest productive Americans? How much of that power has not yet be stolen? How much of that power has been converted to Gold, Silver, and other forms of storage mediums? Just pick a rough number, just get a figure, use math, simple math, simple algebra, use a factor, use X.

The total number of units of power left in the hands of all the honest productive people in America is X.

X = The total power to purchase still controlled by honest productive Americans, or "savings", or already produced surplus wealth.

If that power is stored as:

X/a = gold
X/b = silver
X/c = dollars (currency)
X/d = Treasury notes
X/e = Any other dollar denominated legal paper accounts

What do you think can happen to X if the legal criminals want to steal as much of X as possible, so as to render the honest productive Americans powerless?

A. Trick them into investing in a war, or two, whereby the investors bet the farm on winning the war, gaining control of oil, large profitable military contracts supplying weapons, ammo, food for expendable soldiers, mercenary contracts, and reconstruction contracts.

B. Trick them into investing in gold, and silver, and then confiscating gold and silver, or gain enough ownership of enough gold to then flood the market with gold and crash that gold bubble created by those legal criminals.

C. End the dominance of The World Reserve Currency, by creating another bubble, doubling, or tripling the supply of dollars, and then bust that bubble by transferring world reserve currency power to an as yet unnamed new dominant currency, backed by control of oil.

D. Start a new World War, ensure that the designated winner wins, and the designated losers lose.

What happens to X?

X is what it is today, right now, a total amount of purchasing power held, legally, by the honest (or not so honest) productive (or not so productive, more like destructive) American people, and after the plan follows through the execution phase X is smaller by a significant amount because, Gold prices are made to plummet as vast stores of Gold flood the market, Dollar values plummet as vast stores of dollars (Held my the Chinese for example) flood the market at the same time that The Dollar Hegemony floods the market with dollars, Silver is similarly boomed and busted, bubbled and popped, and all the war profiteers lose, the winners don't get to rebuild, the winners don't get to cash in on the steady increase in stock prices of Standard Oil, Bechtel, J P Morgan, City Group, Haliburton, General Electric, Blackwater (or whatever their new label is today), or even U.S.A. Inc. (LLC).

X is X now. After the plan follows through the execution phase: X is less tomorrow, and X is no longer denominated in dollars, X is denominated in the new World Reserve Currency, and then, then, then, you ask why? Say it isn't so, Joe. Why? Why? Why?

You may want to listen now, and if it grows too late, you will have no choice but to listen to all the reasons that explain exactly why all the surplus wealth, whatever is left, is denominated in the new legal currency monopoly unit.

Today there is The Dollar Hegemony, in control of enough oil power to corner the market, manipulate the supply, manipulate the price, employ deceit, at will, employ threats of violence, at will, employ violence at will, perpetually, without consequence, power always flow from the victims to the few in control of The Dollar Hegemony, and tomorrow, regime change.

What will it be like, being on the other end of the stick, for all those who have, somehow, managed to save purchasing power into this, and that, account in America? What will it be like to no longer be in the club? What will it be like to be left holding the empty bag?

It matters not to all those who already get the short end of the stick, and I am describing to you another division, another example of divide and conquer, whereby the legal criminals set those who work, workers, those who have little concern for future conditions, those who just work, and accept what pay they are given, they just work, and they have no savings, their savings is invested in their capacity to work, call that group A, and against group A are those that employ money, employ people, so as to have money make money flow to their savings accounts, so as to have money work for them, so as to have people, work for them, and call that group B.

Group A is roughly the left.

Group B is roughly the right.

Which money would group A invent, produce, make, use, choose, have, spend, receive as pay, exchange, prefer, borrow, invest, consume, if they have, always, a choice between what was the best, and lowest cost, and the next better choice, at an even lower cost, gaining currency power, and lowering currency cost each new day, as a better currency raises the bar, and then an ever better currency raises the bar again? What does that look like, what form does that take, if it is every allowed out of the bag?

You don't know, and no one in group B has any interest in you ever finding out; if you are in Group A you have to find out yourself.

Which money would group B prefer, in any case, ever?

They say gold, typically, but even that claim is muddled in fine print, secret deals, licenses, contracts, enforcements, dirty deals, confusion, argumentation, and all efforts to make sure that group B remains on the right side of the stick, and the short end stays firmly thrust up the ass of group A - with vim and vigor.

It may be time to resolve internal conflicts before the power to do so is no longer powerful enough to accomplish any goal short of abject misery.

Back to the link titled:

Iran Opens Oil Bourse - Harbinger of Trouble for New York and London?

So, while Washington prepares to commit political hara-kiri, Iran is preparing to take away a little of the capitalist glow from New York and London. If the Chinese decide to start paying for their Iranian purchases strictly in yuan, expect the trickle away from the dollar in energy pricing to become a stampede. That ought to give Washington politicos an issue to think about besides gay marriage.

Honest productive Americans include all who are honest, all who are productive, and all who do not resort to deceit, as a way of life, a way of earning a living, all who do not resort to threats of violence, and all who do not willfully plan on injuring innocent targeted victims and then willfully follow through with, or hire accomplices, to execute those plans, resulting in innocent people being injured, as planned.

Left, right, up, down, who cares?

Once our power is gone, we can easily get it back, but since we can, why wait?  

If the plan to enslave America follows through, the ease with which we can untangle that web may grow increasingly more difficult, muddled with even more pressing false directions.

When the news begins to inform you about how evil the Chinese are, I think you will remember reading this, and if you have remained skeptical, you will have a much harder time remaining skeptical, the flood of propaganda targeting the Chinese will be understood by you at that future time - you have been warned.

There is a vacuum. The vacuum is filled with Tot Mom, Budget Ceiling, Quantitative Easing, Austerity Measures, Terrorist Threats, National Interests, Americas Most Wanted, and the vacuum cleaner motor keeps sucking, more, and more, and more, there is a void, and when it is time to fill that void: that void will be filled with the required instructions: hate the Chinese, torture the Chinese, kill the Chinese, those sub-human enemies of our glorious power are all bad.  

Yes, of course, I may be wrong, but if you are making that conclusion based upon your first exposure to the picture that I've been piecing together for over 25 years, than you are bound by reason to be skeptical, at this point.

What do you know about China? Do you have in the back of your mind a nagging, subconscious, phantom awareness of this mysterious power called China? What is it, in your viewpoint? It is knowledge? Made in China?

Do some personal investigation. I can offer a very good source:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/others/trade-war.html

Your biggest enemy is the external control over your power to think. You have been feed false information, you are being fed false information, and you are being led to slaughter, along with all those honest productive people in China, by the same group of people, who may, or may not be fighting against each other, and who may, or may not be cooperating with each other, at this very moment, decisions are made, capital does flow, plans are hatched, orders are issued, as the power stolen from all the honest productive people works, by design, to lead us to slaughter.

When the next war is over, the surviving perpetrators, those who caused it, will crawl out from their bunkers to witness their creation on Earth, and they may smile, and we won't.

It may not be too late.

Is it ever too late?

How easy is it to simply agree to avoid all of those lies, all of that willful deceit, all of that willful employment of threats of violence, and all of that willful premeditated targeting of innocent victims followed up by the execution of those horrible crimes?

Why wait.

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Listening to Alex Jones 07-25-2011.

"Socialism works there...sovereignty of the individual..." Alex Jones

"My issue is that governments have been caught staging false flag..." Alex Jones

The line in the sand, in the Infowar (What I call The War on Falsehood), is drawn with tools that include ideas, thoughts, language, math, and all manner of measures, scales, ranges, weights, geometry, psychology, economics, and physics.

The line is drawn in each individual mind where the sovereignty of the individual is measures as a power of choice, a power of will, a power of moral conscience, a power of intelligence, a power of reason, a power of productivity, and a power to lie, a power to destroy, which is internal to the individual; separate, sovereign, singular, unique, and divorced from everyone else, excluding everyone else, by any connection other than sympathy, empathy, or any other internal invention, or production of thought whereby the thought originates within the sovereign individual.

"The 20 First Century Virtual Terrorist." Steve Pieczenik (Who has warned Barry Soetoro, A.K.A. Obama, publicly on The Alex Jones show, please note)

"What we have is sociopothy in this country." Steve Pieczenik

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopathy

A sociopath is somebody who exhibits sociopathy, who behaves in a way that suggests a lack of conscience. Unlike the average human, a sociopath does not feel any sense of guilt or remorse when committing morally wrong actions or actions that their society deems unacceptable. Because of this utter lack of fear for the sanctions of society, sociopaths take advantage of the social system and use manipulation and amoral behaviors to obtain their goals. The types of behaviors they exhibit are those that would make someone with a conscience uncomfortable.

"Who in fact represents this Country?" Steve Pieczenik

"You are telling me that this system can create..." Steve Pieczenik
 
Inside the individual person is a power, by any measure imaginable, whereby the individual can, or cannot, remain in control, or fail to remain in control, of his, or her, own mind, and thereby his, or her, own actions, and that can be understood as the full measure of sovereignty.

Why, Joe, do you bring that up at this point in time?

Please: think in terms of Trial by Jury.

Reference:

http://www.lysanderspooner.org/node/35

Once Trial by Jury was invented, and then enforced, each sovereign individual was legally credited with the power to nullify any law charged to any person by any other person within the boundaries within which Trial by Jury was enforced by people. Each sovereign individual, in control of their own conscience, in control of their own mind, and in control of their own legal power to nullify any law, having the legal power to acquit any person accused of any crime by any other person, is a way for you to understand the concept of The Sovereignty of The Individual.

What happens when one person, or one group of people, invade, and implant, false ideas, and false thoughts, into the sovereign mind of another person or another group?

An army of jurors can then be rendered powerless against legal crime.

Slaves can be made to beg for pain, beg for harder working conditions, and slaves can be made to grovel, and slaves can be made to offer up their children for exploitation, to service every pleasure their masters demand, and love doing it, love being a slave, love sacrifice, love, need, and even crave injury so as to please the people causing the injury.

Keeping in mind the past, the history, and the facts concerning Trial by Jury, think, please, about the number 12, as in 12 jurors on a jury trial. In the power of that number the sovereign individual who has managed to remain sovereign, and has not been corrupted in mind, not managed to give up the sovereign power over mind, body, spirit, thought, conscience, morality, intelligence, will, choice, reason, and action, that one person, and all those similarly powerful people, who remain sovereign, have a 1 in 12 chance of petitioning, and then gaining, the power of nullification in any case where a law enforcer, of any law, wishes to use law to injure anyone, innocent of anything, or not innocent of some nebulous guilt, whereby Trial of Jury is working as the law of that land.

No enforcer of law intending to enforce a law can punish anyone, ever, without the say so of each of 12 jurors, without which, without the say so of each individual, the force of government is completely impotent, when Trial by Jury, as designed in the historical president, works as designed. Then, but not now, Jurors were selected randomly, and you may know why.

Now the same former sovereign individuals are being led to believe that the law enforcers dictate to the potential jurors who is qualified and who is not, when, where, how, and what they can, or cannot judge, in each case whatsoever. Pawns, at the hands of the legal criminals, and again the victims beg for more abuse, please, please, please, teach me to be even more ignorant, I am stupid enough to want to be a harder working victim, taking more power, to the limit of my power to produce, take it all, please, while I suffer the limit of my endurance, so you can be happy, at my expense.

Please.

Can I also lick your boots? Please kick me, kick me harder, please.

You are told what the truth is each moment, without question, and another moment you are told that the truth is now opposite what it was a moment ago, and you are told to know that the new truth is absolute, and the old truth is absolutely no longer true, until you are told it is, or is not, on cue.

You are told to react to specific stimulus, words, images, perceptions that are constructed with a specific intent, purpose, and result, and it is called by many names not limited to False Propaganda, Behavioral Modification, and Response Conditioning. You are a modern Pavlov's Dog. Salivate when the bell rings, as you are told.

What could you have done with all your time, energy, your power, had you not been born on this hamster wheel?

When will it be time for you to solve The Problem, where the line has been drawn inside your formerly sovereign being?

If you are waiting to be told when it is time to get off the hamster wheel, keep running faster to get to that date, as told.

What happens when you solve that problem, where do you then draw the line in the sand?

"We are now into hour number 4" Alex Jones (I had to go do some work, now I am back to listen, and comment)

"The problem is that no one is ready with an Alternative." Webster Tarpley

http://tarpley.net/five-point-program.pdf

That is a 5 point plan. Who will draw up a line in the sand that will become more powerful with more numbers standing on that line, standing in opposition to the hamster wheel?

What hamster wheel?

The legal criminals have focused the power they steal from honest working people, in all places in Earth, to steal more power. The legal criminals have already stolen enough power to have enough power to steal more, that is the hamster wheel, and it is measurable. It is as simple to measure as you could possibly want, or need, and it is measurable in great detail too.

Simple:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

In detail:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5823209513192072459

What line in the sand has been drawn by Webster G. Tarpley?

1. Measures to reduce speculation and minimize the burden of fictitious capital:
2. Measures to nationalize the Federal Reserve, cut federal borrowing, and provide 0% federal credit for production:
3. Measures to re-industrialize, build infrastructure, develop science drivers, create jobs, and restore a high-wage economy:
4. Measures to defend and expand the social safety net:
5. Measures to re-launch world trade and promote world recovery:

What is the line in the sand being drawn, for your sovereign power to choose, by Ron Paul?

I offer two Products, to help illustrate the power of competition as all the remaining sovereign individuals exercise their remaining power to choose.

The point is the power of numbers.

How many problem solvers who are on the same page are enough problem solvers working with the same solution to the same problem, when faced with many legal criminals who employ the same solution to their problem.

The legal crime problem:

Victims don't work hard enough when told.

The legal crime solution:

Resort to deception, threats of violence, and acts of violence

What is the problem borne by the victims:

Legal criminals use deception, threats of violence, and acts of violence to transfer as much power from the victims to the legal criminals as is humanly possible.

What is the solution to that problem (and how many victims are working on the solution):

Stop the transfer of power  flowing to the legal criminals (not  "news")

Who has control over all those people who are not in command of their own sovereign power to choose? Have you seen Comprehensive  Annual Financial Reports?

Have you ever asked someone who has voted for one of the recent Presidents as to why they are lending support to a known liar, a known mass murderer, and a known torturer? If they answer with words that do not confess the truth, what have you found?

They may say something along the lines of the lesser of two evils, a wasted vote, or some other false statement, or non-reason, or dodge, as the question is dodged, and the answer is a lie, as the formerly sovereign individual parrots the lie that has invaded his, or her, brain, implanted, feed, and has grown to take control of thought, and action.

How deep does the invasion of the body snatchers go, as the first lie is followed by the second, then four, then sixteen, then millions of lies?

If you don't ask, you won't know, and failure to ask, and failure to know, does not cause the lies to become true, but that is a lie too, a lie that you may now believe.

If I don't know that it exits, it does not exist.

"Rise of the New Reich" Alex Jones

"You obey"

"Obey"

That is as simple as it get's, and that is The Problem, and you are told that that is The Final Solution, and you can't, be allowed, to know otherwise.

Which are you?  

1. Master
2. Slave
3. Neither
4. A sovereign individual in command of the power to be whichever I alone choose within my power to do so, despite all the power forcing me to do otherwise.

If you have not yet recognized the power that has invaded your mind, from birth, whereby the message you have been taught, subliminally, subconsciously, is blind obedience, you are thereby a slave to falsehood, and that fact, is a process, and it operates on a fundamental, base, foundation, or level. You have to dig deep, willfully, and you have to work toward the specific goal of finding that base of invasion, it must be accurately identified, you must recognize it, you must measure it, you must become conscious of it, if you decide that you will no longer be a victim of it.

It will always be telling you to Obey, therefore it can be found, if you are willing to do what it takes to find it, and then, if you want to keep it, do so, knowingly.

Can I offer a possible competitive viewpoint concerning who did the Oslo crimes, why, and having found those accurate answers, what can be done from that point, once that point is reached?

The legal criminals do whatever is withing their power to do including back stabbing, torturing, and mass murdering innocent victims, and this is my offering: They kill each other too.

When their sources of power are no longer sending them power, they will have fewer choices.

They have these choices now:

1. Spend the power they are now stealing in the work of stealing more power from innocent victims (the source of the power that is being stolen)
2. Spend the power they are now stealing in the work of stealing power from other criminals, legal or otherwise.
3. Spend the power they have already stolen, power that is saved, stored, and already acquired, on things they choose to spend that power on.
3. Starve; once their power to steal has run out, and once their power that they have already stolen has run out, when no more ready victims are available, and when no more legal criminals are ready victims.
4. Get productive jobs, and earn an honest productive living.

When the honest productive people finally figure out how to stop sending the legal criminals the power that the legal criminals need to perpetuate their crimes: the list is shorter.

2. Spend the power they have already stolen.
3. Starve
4. Join in honest production.

Who cares who has stolen from whom long after the connection has been severed?

Why is it then not obvious that the solution is to sever the connection sooner, rather than later?

Think, please, about all the forms that the legal criminal power takes, what is the form of those powers that the legal criminals have over their victims? If that form is a power over perspective, such as a power to make the victims believe that being a victim is welcome, desirable, voluntary, enjoyable, worth preserving, worth working hard to maintain, etc., then that form of that power can be seen to end, once it is known, it can be seen to end.

That form of that power can have a name, and that name can be Falsehood, for lack of a more accurate name, a more competitive name at this point.

Suppose, then, that that form of power is no longer working for the legal criminals as that form of power no longer works to injure the targeted victims?

Falsehood stops being powerful, stops as power abused by legal criminals, and falsehood stops being a power that victimizes the victims.

Try to imagine that event working in real time. Try to imagine how the power of numbers work as the power of Falsehood no longer connects the legal criminals with the victims.

Today things are as they are, and then tomorrow morning, many, many, many, almost all of, the former victims wake up knowing better, and that illustrates the end of that power, as that power no longer works to allow the transfer of power from the targeted victims to the legal criminals.

This illustration is not a new idea, and it is not my exclusive perspective, and it is not unheard of, or unspoken, in history, and I can offer an example to help you see how this works, from someone else, as someone else has said, basically, the same thing:

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/henryford136294.html

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

What does Webster Tarpley propose?

What does Ron Paul propose?

What does my Product 1 and Product 2 propose?

End the falsehood first. Sever that connection first, and then the other forms of connection can be severed, not after.

If you can't shed the "belief" that "they" will "help" you, as you transfer them your money, your power, your earnings, you will never shed any other connections, why would you?

Next, after severing the Falsehood connection, there is that legal monetary connection, and here is where I think other people fail to sever the last vestige, the deep shifting, fluid, foundation, of lies, whereby other people still support The Dollar as the one legal unit of currency.

This is where Ron Paul shines.

I'm going back to Webster Tarpley's 5 points, to review them, and I may have time to comment on them.

I didn't get far into the details before I discovered a very serious missing element. What power is the power that causes any of Webster Tarpley's ideas to be executed?

Here is where I can offer a plan which intends to focus power toward any plan having the same goal as Webster Tarpley's, or Ron Paul's, or any honest productive person's plan, to get off the hamster wheel, to solve the Legal Crime problem, and stop the flow of power flowing to the legal criminals.

Announce a date, in the future, and on the date in the future the honest productive people will no longer use The Dollar as the exclusive legal money, to pay taxes, or to exchange in any voluntary exchange whatsoever, and then promote that date, promote that event, discuss it, and make that date real, make the event real, make it a future date when honest productive people will regain their sovereign power to finance whatever they alone decide to finance, and in so doing, any potential employee will have to compete against any other potential employee for market share of those tax payments.

However anyone words it, their own way, the same principle is the same goal, on the same day, and as more, and more, and more, more, more, more people, get it, the obvious shift in power will become obvious, and the move away from legal crime, and the move toward honest production will begin, one person at a time, on moment at a time, from now, until that date.

So far, there is one.

Me.

The new date is July 4th, 2012, and on that date the power to choose a better legal money will be commanded by one person.

Me.

What happens if 200,000,000 million Americans have the same light bulb shining brightly above their heads by November 2011?

What words can you come up with that refutes the validity of the idea?  If you work at that work, refuting this idea, you do so, knowing that you are doing as you have been told, you are obeying unconditionally, you are parroting lies, you are manufacturing excuses, you are rationalizing, apologizing, you are lending psychological support, and you are lending material support, to the legal criminals, because there is no argument that can work against this plan, none whatsoever, because it is a strictly voluntary plan, and it focuses every effort in the work that is necessary to sever the forms of connections that connect the legal criminals to their victims.

What words can you come up with that helps all the friends of liberty on any path that can move all the honest productive people further away from legal crime and closer to liberty?

Join the march to liberty?

When does it start?

Where does it start?

Where is it going?

When will it get there in any measurable way?

How will liberty be measured as liberty on that day?

With my idea the march to liberty goes toward more productive work, just like any other day, or it goes to a day off of work, if that is your sovereign choice, on July 4th 2012, and when the day is done, you keep your earnings, or you invest your earnings as you alone decide, and you use the form that you decide to use to connect to your investments, just like everyone else on that march, on that day, from then on. It does not go to Washington armed with signs and words. I does not go to Washington armed with guns and ropes tied in hangman's knots. It does not march to court houses, or juries, or mobs, or tribunals.

The march goes to a day when a promise will be made real, peacefully, and productively, and without resort to deceit, and without resort to threats of aggressive violence, and without resort to acts of premeditated violence upon innocent, powerless, victims.

The powerful people merely decide, on the day they agree with the plan being offered, and they agree then to willfully, resolutely, and unarguably, stop sending their earnings to legal criminals, and they agree, once they do agree, inwardly, or outwardly, privately, or publicly, to do so by regaining the power to choose the form in which taxes will be paid, on a date in the future, well in advance of the day of decision, so as to afford anyone, with any interest, to prepare for that day, well in advance of that day.

Fair warning.

If, on July 4th 2012, 10 people decide that they will use dollars, that is what they choose on that day, and anyone having any interest in that number of people making that choice can do things between now and July 4th 2012 to prepare for that day.

If, on July 4th 2012, 1 million people decide to use gold coins, that is what they choose, and if they decide that they can afford to pay taxes, they pay with those gold coins, based upon their sovereign decision to do so, from that day onward, as promised, by their own power to keep their own good faith, and their own good credit.

Who will do what, when the obvious becomes obvious? What happens as power shifts from what it is to what it can be, as promised?

Once you read this, you will either think, or you will ignore, as told, and if you think, instead of ignoring, as told, then you will realize that what I say is true, and you will decide now, you will judge now, and you will act from this moment on, and it may only be me, not you, who pledges this pledge, and you may refuse to sign on, refuse to comment publicly, and you may reserve the right to join in, if other people choose to join in too, and you may refuse to tell anyone else, even if you have a nagging desire to seek another opinion about this, and yet there may be two more people reading this, and two more, and then there may be four.

And the number of people deciding to pick a day on the Calender when they will draw their own line in the sand may increase, and many may have their own lines, and their own dates, and that may happen, and it may not be a single day shared by many, and it may not be a single pledge to do a single thing, shared by many, and it may still work, all working separability, as each separate, sovereign, individual manages, in their own ways, on their own schedules, to sever the connections they alone have to the legal criminals, and each, individually, each person, stops the power flowing, the same power that will be used to destroy, to enslave, to deceive, to torture, and to mass murder, and worse.

What if it does work, as I suggest that it can work, will you see it too?

If by November the number grows to be more than one, more than two, and a number that reaches critical mass, like one of those money bombs, what happens, if that happens, by November?

What happens between November and July 4th 2012 if that line is drawn in the sand by all the remaining honest productive people in American?

What will the legal criminals do between November 2011 and July 4th 2012 if all the honest productive people agree to sever the connection between the legal criminals and all the honest productive people, and more importantly, those same honest productive people reserve the right, and regain the power, to stay connected to each other?

If you can't even imagine the scope of the illustration before you, what power do you have in the face of legal crime?

If you have been told to never even question legal crime, and you obey, is there anything that you won't do once the order is GIVEN. 

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Honest Productive Americans, and listeners to the Alex Jones show on July 27 2012.

Paul Crag Roberts claims that financial regulation must be returned to the former level of what it was once, in so many words, what does that really mean?

I cannot speak for him.

I can say that the idea is flawed.

The dollar is a fraud, any effort to support it is an effort to support a fraud, and therefore those who do so participate in fraud, and they can do so knowing that it is a fraud, and they can do so ignorantly.

What happens if honest money is allowed to compete, instead of supporting the fraud that is the dollar system of legal extortion?

Ron Paul, for example, does not say that the solution is to reinforce regulations.

Why?

I can't speak for Ron Paul either.

A.
Support legal fraud, by reinforcing the regulations that regulate legal fraud.

B.
Return back to an interpretation of The Constitution whereby honest money is allowed to compete alongside anyone's effort to enforce monetary fraud.

Which money will anyone choose once it is lawful to choose something other than the lesser of two evils?

1.
No currency, no connection between honest productive people.

2.
Currency that connects honest productive people while the same currency connects the legal criminals and the legal victims to the honest productive people.

3.
Invent, and maintain, an honest, competitive legal currency, or two, or three, or however many new forms of currency are invented and offered to consumers, as the demand for higher quality currency, and lower cost currency, inspires invention, improvement, production, and maintenance, of better, and better, and better, legal currency.

Notice how many people, including Paul Craig Roberts, including Alex Jones, and including almost everyone, universally, as if there is only one, monopoly, viewpoint, one, claim, that failure of the dollar is bad for the economy.

Why?

If there is only 2 options, where one option is much worse than the other bad option, reason, logic, and commons sense demands a third option.

1.
No currency, no connection between honest productive people.

2.
Currency that connects honest productive people while the same currency connects the legal criminals and the legal victims to the honest productive people.

3.
Invent, and maintain, an honest, competitive legal currency, or two, or three, or however many that are invented and offered as the demand for higher quality currency, and lower cost currency, inspired invention, improvement, production, and maintenance of better, and better, and better legal currency.

If I can invent a third option, you can. If Ron Paul can invent a third, and forth option, you can. If we can, you, Ron Paul, me, and who knows who else, can, then there are many other options.

What power is in place whereby other options are off the table, not discussed, not proposed, not worked toward, not on the schedule, not on the calender, not in the works, not ready to implement, not perused, ignored, sent to the corn field, banished, exiled, outlawed, removed, censored, killed, murdered, tortured, and removed from thought, erased from history, gone, forever?

What is the interest in removing competitive invention? What is the power that kills higher quality life and lowering costs of life?

Alex Jones is helping advertise gold and silver sales.

Who has enough surplus power to buy gold and silver?

Did you hear Paul Craig Roberts speak about CEOs, spending a few years before retirement, raiding corporations, earning million dollars bonuses, so as to retire comfortably?  

They have surplus wealth sufficient to be looking for secure storage mediums, like gold, and silver.

How about the hired liars, the politicians who claim that we are broke, and that we are getting even more broke?

They have surplus wealth sufficient to be looking for secure storage mediums, like gold, and silver.

What will they use to pay their electric bills?

They won't have one if they buy solar panels.

What will they use to pay their gas bill, their gasoline expenses, running their cars?

They won't have one if they buy an electric car that runs on their home grown electricity.

What will they use to pay their mortgage interest payments?

They won't have mortgage interest payments if they can afford to pay cash for a property title, free of interests.

What will they use to pay their taxes?

Are you kidding me? What do you think interest is?

Anyway you want to slice it, think, first, about one possible honest money competitor, as an illustration, not as an enforced monopoly.

Product 1 can be:

No interest loans on home mortgages for those honest productive people who earn no interest since they earn good faith and credit, which is supposedly the same good faith and credit backing the dollar crime spree. Product 1 is also no interest mortgage loans on business property loans, so honest productive people can start a business and do so without having to pay for someone else's special interest.

Product 2 can be:

1 percent interest loans, to the same people consuming Product 1, for the purchase of things that are currently proven to be net wealth producers by a specific measure of accurate data, such as, a solar panel, and such as, an electric car, and such as, a modular vertical greenhouse farming unit which can make algae based motor fuel that is cheaper than gasoline, fuel that can replace gasoline in cars that use gasoline now, without any modification to the existing cars that use gasoline now, and the same modular units can make food cheaper than food on the shelf at the store, better food, at lower cost, to name just 3 examples of things that can be formulated accurately as net producer investments for Product 2 loans.

What would Product 1, and Product 2 loans do for the American, and the world, Economy; relative to the impending doom day scenario so often reported by so many people, relentlessly?

Each honest productive person consuming Product 1 has more power each month, to spend, to invest, or to save, each month, amounting to roughly half of the current cost of living in an interest bearing mortgaged home.

Each honest productive person consuming Product 2 has more power each month in direct proportion to how many net producer products are purchased with Product 2 loans.

Honest money becomes available to all the honest productive people as the new money, circulates as currency, and how many people will jerk their knee at this point and claim "inflation" as if that word has any relevance to this illustration of how honest money can out compete the legal monopoly fraud money?

Each new unit of currency is backed by actual productive property, therefore there is no inflation. If there is inflation, the inflation will be a result of people who continue to accept, and exchange, the fraudulent money, if that is their choice, since that money will be backed by what it is backed, which is military might, oil, and lies.

As people ween off of oil, there will be a steady decline in the demand for it.

As people ween off oil, there will be a steady decline in the demand for the aggressive wars for profit that are employed to secure oil interests (which back the fraudulent dollar interest).

As people ween off the lies, there will be less demand for lies, and the dollar value plummets while the value of honest money remains exactly as valuable as the homes, businesses, and productivity of the things that back the new honest money.

You think, now. Do it.

Stop depending upon other brains.

They are stealing your mind, thought by thought, and replacing your thoughts with lies.

Is that good enough for you?

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Reading the press releases from the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) we see that the FOMC intends to keep interest rates at a low level for an extended period.

Honest Productive Americans,

Interest is interesting. Please consider reading the following:

http://www.the-portal.org/mutual_banking.htm

There is an essay in that work titled The Parasite City, which is of particular concern, and a basis, not the only basis, a basis, from which my perspective on the subject of interest is launched.

You may have no time left to read, after working, and news of current events drag you down even lower from a low point of having expended all you can expend in one day at work, producing the highest quality product, at the lowest cost, in competition with other Honest Productive Americans and in competition with people in other countries who are now subsidized, given your power, so they can run you out of business.

You may laugh, at the absurdity of it, as you begin the process of recharging your power for the next day at work.

Your payments to the legal criminals finance your doom in more ways that one, and this is not news.

Here, again, is the historical president:

http://www.constitution.org/civ/comsense.htm

Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer!

More than a small portion of your power is stolen from you in forms that are very devious, not limited to direct taxation, and that power finds it's way to people who compete with you for your productive capacity, and that is not merely true, that is measurably true by actual documentation on digital and paper trails, not limited to dollar denominated financial transactions. In effect: you work to pay for your own demise. You work so as to have your productive power handed over to the people who then have more power to take more power from you, in many more ways than one.

How about looking at one.

Interest is interesting.

The best way I've found to help you see just how interesting interest is, is by way of illustrating a new use of your power, and this new use of your power can be shown to you as a directly competitive example of how your power could work better for you when compared to how your power is now working against you.

I illustrate how interest works, against you, by showing how interest can work for you, and I use two products to help illustrate how interest can work, compared to how interest works now.

Product 1 is a legal financial instrument that could be lawfully produced by specific licensed franchises, or Product 1 can be produced in a black market, and in either case the actual product works the same way to you.

Product 1 is a home or business mortgage loan offered to people who have a proven history of paying back every cent borrowed, and furthermore, these customers also have a history of paying large sums of extra money for the privilege of borrowing money, and the home mortgage exemplifies this fact.

An Honest Productive American now borrows a home mortgage loan and when that loan is paid in full, plus interest, the borrower sends one entire home cost to pay back the cost of the home, and added to that repayment of the entire amount of money borrowed the Honest Productive American will pay one whole home cost extra and that is an interesting arrangement since the bank didn't build another home, all the bank did was to collect your money, for doing very little work, almost none compared to how much work is involved in constructing a home on bare land.

You have to pay for the home, you live in it, it is your home, you work to pay for it, even if you are working in a bank, working, working, one cent worth of work at a time, working each hour, each day, each month, and paying for that home, and you pay for two homes, one you live in, and one entire home cost that flows from you to the bank profiteers, not the workers at the bank, your entire extra home cost flows to those few who profit from the legal banking franchise, and that can be known precisely, by following the money trail - denominated in dollars.

You are told, by official, licensed, economists, of authority, that the interest payments you make are all part of sound economic realities, and I'm here to help you shed that false belief in those lies.

The same people who now take your money, in many forms of taxes, pay those bankers, with your money, to help those bankers rob you blind, and the home mortgage loan, funny business, which isn't funny to homeless people, but it is probably very funny to the legal criminals, those same people, in criminal government, can just as easily legalize a no interest mortgage loan product as they can legalize the legal robbery going on now. They won't, of course, but they can, with as much ease.

You have to ask yourself, because I can't force you, why, oh why, do you not earn something for having always paid back all your loans, every cent of the money you borrow, and on top of that, you also pay back extra money added to the money you borrow, why does that not earn something? Not only are the lenders able to get back every cent of the money you used, while they weren't using that money, you also paid the loan people a tip. You tipped the lenders handsomely. You tipped 100 percent at the end of a 30 year loan, since you pay the check, which is the home you bought, and you tip them the entire price of another meal, 100 percent.

You are really nice.

The problem is such that they are not waitresses, struggling to pay off their own home mortgage loans, they are legal criminals, and they have the exclusive franchise to create the money that you borrow, and they say, and you may hear many people repeating what they say, when they say that the money they create is backed by the good faith and credit of The American People, not the good faith and credit of The Chinese People, and not the good faith and credit of the European People, and not the good faith and credit of the Russian People, you, they say that your good faith and credit is worth enough to create this money that you borrow from them, and then you pay them to let you borrow that money from them, which is backed by your good faith and credit, despite the fact that there are people in American who do things that don't measure up as good faith, and don't measure up as good credit, but you pay anyway.

Why? Are you really that stupid? I have to ask, and you may well start asking sooner, because it is almost too late to have enough power left to do anything with the answer once you find the true answer.  

Product 1 illustrates how good faith and credit works, if it is allowed to work, if it isn't against the law, and even better, if it is encouraged by you, who constitute the full measure, and power, of the law, the tax payers. People who do not produce anything do not pay taxes, how would they get the stuff they pay taxes with, if they produce nothing?

Product 1 is a no interest mortgage loan that you borrow from yourself, therefore there is no reason to pay yourself any interest payments, you borrow the price of a home, and the price of a business, on your own good faith and credit, and then you pay the entire amount back, and when the last payment, you earn, is payed back, there is a net loss to no one, since anyone involved in doing any work with the paper work, are paid with profits they earn with Product 2, which generates 1% interest for each loan amount, and that is a substantial profit, since modern banking can be almost entirely automated, where there are no workers, no honest productive Americans toiling over a computer terminal, crunching numbers, or at a desk pushing paper. You have to ask yourself: how much does it really cost to run a modern bank?

How much does it cost to build a home?

How much does it cost to process one home loan from day one to the end of the term of the loan?

You can't go on-line and construct a home on an empty lot, but you most certainly can go on-line and complete a loan process within the scope of modern technology, having charged no cost to anyone, no work done by anyone, you merely log onto the loan web page, fill in the information, the program checks the validity of the information, and the loan amount is credited to your bank account, and you pay back every cent, on time, and in so doing your information remains valid, as you prove that you are, in fact, an Honest Productive American, and you are one of the reasons why America is known for it's good faith and credit.

If Product 1 was made lawful by July 4th 2012, on that day everything is in place, then on that day you will be well prepared to turn in your old interest bearing loan, if you still have one, and you can get a no-interest mortgage loan instead, and if you don't have a business yourself, you may start thinking one up now, and by July 4th 2012 you may be ready to take that step, borrow a business mortgage property loan, and begin your new business on that day, when that interest free money flows into your account, and you can start earning your good faith and credit independently, instead of working for other people, if that is what you choose to do on that new day.

Why, you may ask, would any bankers want to start selling Product 1 loans, if they make no money?

I've already explained how that works, since Product 1 is like the razor, given away, and Product 2 is the razor blades, the profit making product, and the sellers of Product 1, and Product 2 make 1% interest on each Product 2 loan amount, which is a substantial profit margin when considering the costs of producing and maintaining simple financial instruments.

Who, you may ask, would be selling these new legal financial products that I say are merely a way of illustrating how competition in legal banking can drive quality up, and costs down?

The legal criminals could stop being criminals and they could award franchises to potential Product 1, and Product 2, sellers, based upon competitive bids, or the Honest Productive Americans can reach a point where they no longer want to be victims, and they hire honest productive people into office, with the same result, which is competition in money markets.

Suppose I was elected as President, for example, and I began throwing the considerable weight of that office around, and I did manage to get this ball rolling, and the offer was made, and suppose the following legal companies, which are legal fictions, with CEOs running them, and these companies submit bids so these people can begin legally printing this new money.

1. Skype
2. PayPal
3. Ebay
4. Microsoft
5. E-Gold
6. Amazon.com
7. Facebook
8. Twitter
9. Price Watch
10. The Liberty Dollar

You have there a list of potential profiteers who seek to gain the license to enter into the money creation business of which there is now only one legal franchise, and that one legal franchise is a legal money monopoly, or State Bank, and they have the exclusive power to raise or lower interest rates, at will, uncountably, and without consequence to them, and they have the exclusive power to double the money supply, as the legal criminals running that one legal franchise did in 2008, and they have the power to cut the availability of money in half, if they so desire, and therefore they have the exclusive power to cause economic boom, and economic bust, any place on Earth, or the entire world economy, at will, without redress of any grievance by anyone on the planet. They have the power to cause The Business Cycle World Wide, where only their insider group know when to sell at the top, and when to buy at the bottom during their schedule, in the places, the markets, they boom, on schedule, or bust, on schedule. There is no due process by which those legal criminals are held accountable for their crimes, and you may ask why, or not, you may have too much work to do, sending them your earnings.

Any one of those organizations listed above could submit, and be awarded, their own franchise to begin producing and processing Product 1 and Product 2 loans now. Why wait?

I can explain how Product 2 loans could work, not as an unwelcome additional legal dictate, but as an illustration of how competition works to force quality up and cost down, and interest is a cost, why is it ever high?

I will read the rest of Ron Paul's message, and comment if inspired to do so, after editing this offering.

Moneyholders seek a return on their holdings, and in an era of near-zero interest courtesy of the Fed, saving makes no sense.

Words can be used to convey accurate meaning on purpose. Words can be tools used to deceive targeted victims.

The capacity to save assumes a capacity to produce. Who produces? Those who produce nothing are net consumers, they only consume, since they produce nothing, so how can they save anything?

Ron Paul is not speaking to anyone who has no capacity to produce anything, and that is a large portion of the population. A large portion of the population produce nothing, they have no ability to save, they are net consumers, they only consume, including children, including people suffering from injuries, including people who are too old to produce, including all the criminals, including all the legal criminals, all those people are net consumers, none of them have the capacity to save, since they produce nothing.

Ron Paul may be including criminals in his message, since criminals may use the word saving to describe how they store the stuff they steal, but that is an abuse of the word.

A criminal who steals large sums of money, too much to spend at once, has to stash that stolen money somewhere, and the criminal can call what he does, or she does, when the criminal stashes the stolen loot by saying that he, or she, is saving the money.

Why save money?

If you are a producer is it better to save money or use money to produce more, also known as investment?

Ron Paul is not speaking about "saving", as far as I can tell, he is speaking about investing. A net producer, a person who produces more than the person consumes, can invest extra production (above consumption) in a "savings account" whereby the money makes more money, which is called "interest" which is interesting to say the least. That would be an investment, not "saving", as the investment generates an income. Saving is storing, there is no loss, the thing saved is stored, for later use, it is secure, preserved, saved. Investment is the use of something to gain more of something, a net increase of something. Get it? Having money make money, for you doing nothing, your "savings" makes you money, and you do nothing, is what, isn't that the definition of "easy money", you get money, for doing nothing?

How deep does the mire go, and what is the cost for not finding out, and who pays the cost? Who profits from the steady production and maintenance of falsehood?

The reason for money making money is such that money is made scarce on purpose, there is a concerted effort, by people who have the power to accomplish the goal, to cause the supply of money to be lower than the demand for money, and as that disparity widens, to an extreme, the charge for borrowing scarce money hits the extreme high price.

Who would ever want to make money so scarce, so difficult to get, that people without it will pay to get it?

You may think that the question is stupid, based upon how things are, how things have been, and may I remind you that things are made the way they are because Honest Productive People have been sending their earnings to legal criminals for centuries, and that flow of power has been used to keep that flow of power flowing in interestingly new ways, and in interestingly old ways, so long as the power keeps flowing in that direction.

Money can be nothing more than a tool by which a seller of something prints a ticket and the holder of the ticket can turn in the ticket and get the thing being sold, according to the good faith and credit of the seller, who sells the thing produced, and the same seller who sells the ticket. How much is the ticket worth? The ticket is worth one thing. If the one thing is very valuable, then the one ticket is as valuable, if the seller honors the ticket, if not, then the seller of the thing, not honoring the ticket, steals, robs, takes, commits crime, by selling a ticket that is falsely advertised as being worth one thing. How long can such a person, selling things, and selling tickets for things, last, in a competitive market, where competitors sell things, and sell tickets, and don't steal?

What is the point in saving? If the seller wants to sell more things, sell more things, if the seller prints up a bunch of tickets, sells the tickets, then has another form of money to use to buy materials needed to make things, the ticket buyers return with tickets, and the seller, by then, has made the things for sale. Will the Austrian Economists cry "Inflation"?

Money can be anything, or it can be only one thing, and if it is only one thing, then the single producer can make the one thing very scarce, and cause a bust, where the price for money, the interest rate, is very high, and then the one producer can produce and sell an abundant supply of money, giving it away, even paying people to use it, to cause a boom, and so much money is available that no one has to pay anyone any interest, and then do that routine over, and over, and over, again, which is called The Business Cycle, when there is only one money.

If one producer of money is working the customers like victims, with The Business Cycle, why can't another producer of money be allowed to compete? What happens to the producer of money who is working the customers like victims with The Business Cycle when a competitor is not working the customers like victims with The Business Cycle?

Which money will you choose if you have a choice?

A. The low quality high cost money.
B. The high quality low cost money.

How would you know the difference?

You don't? Why?

Ask Ron Paul?

Seriously?

Personal answers from Ron Paul are scarce, and I think he charges a very high price for such access, unless he is selling something else in the deal.

Money can be anything to any two, or more, people. Those who use money to commit crimes will either be found out, and avoided, whereby their money is of low quality, and high cost, or such criminals will remain unaccounted for, and they will perpetuate their crime spree indefinitely.

Ask anyone, but me, and see if you get any response, let alone a reasonable response, to the question of money quality and money cost, where the question asks which money, in a free market, will be the highest quality money, at the lowest cost, see what you get, then tell me, please.

Money can be produced by you as you work to sell a product that you don't yet have the funds to make, and you print up tickets to sell to people who want to buy what you will make, and that process buys for you a market survey, using the money you print at home, on toilet paper, if needed, used toilet paper, if needed, and if the thing you want to make, and sell, is demanded, your money will sell, and the money you sell will circulate back to you, once you have the power to make the thing that is proven to be in demand, since you have sold used toilet paper to people so that they have a claim on your future production.

What do you receive as payment for the sale of your used toilet paper money?

What do you need to make the thing you want to produce? Do you need a truck load of wood?

Who is selling the wood? What does he, or she need?

Why does anyone cut their production down so as to cause scarcity, so as to cause the price to go up, so as to increase the flow of power to them, from their customers, on purpose?

Because they can.

Because no one else is in competition, because choosing to cut production down, so as to cause scarcity, so as to cause the price to go up, so as to increase the flow of power to them, from their customers, on purpose, has no negative consequence, because there are no competitors who won't choose to make the supply scarce, so as to cause the price to go up, so as to increase the flow of power to them, from their customers.

That is why the law criminals use law to destroy competition, where ever, and when ever, competition arises.

If there is a high interest rate, ask, please, ask, where is the competition? Where can I get higher quality money, at a lower cost, while that one producer of money is purposefully making money scarce, so as to cause the price to go up, so as to increase the flow of power to them, from their customers?

Ask Ron Paul.

Ask me, while you have me, in case you do get a chance to ask Ron Paul, or any potential "representative" of The Honest Productive Americans, so you can practice on me, I'll be the practice dummy, you can ask me these questions, to get an idea of the scale of answers, from best answer to worst possible answer, and as far as you are concerned, I suppose, my answers will set the lower limit. Once you have the lower limit, of worst answers, from me, you can gauge those higher quality answers that you may someday get from your potential "representatives", to see if their answers reach my lower limit level. Let me set the bar very low, and see if it is low enough to get down to the lies offered by the hired liars.

You are hiring professional liars, right, so my accurate answers are the lower limit, because they are so truthful, and that won't ever do, but, you do need to know how good the employees lie, so don't you need a standard from which to measure the quality of the lie you are buying?

Combined with the still-shaky condition of the banking and financial sector, it is not surprising that much of the recently-created easy money has flowed into tangibles such as agricultural commodities, metals, and land.

Listen people, the use of the words "easy money" is deceptive in the extreme. I'm sorry to have to burst your bubble here, but in my own best interest the truth needs to be reported. Back when the legal criminals were creating the boom part of their business cycle in the housing market they were pushing something called "liar loans", which was not easy money, it was criminal fraud made legal, which isn't easy, as confessed by the people who were threatened with their jobs if they didn't commit these fraudulent transactions, these "stated income" frauds. That is not "easy money".

If you earn a high credit rating, why does that not earn, for you, a low interest charge? There is nothing easy about earning a high credit rating. To blame you for the crimes committed by criminals is to charge you a high interest rate for the willful crimes committed by legal criminals. To punish you, by charging you a high interest rate, while you have worked hard to earn a high credit rating, is called collective punishment.

A few people, or a number of people involved in "liar loans", commit fraud, are coerced into participating in fraud, and you pay for it, as you are being blamed for this "easy money" scam. You think I'm kidding? What is the solution to "easy money"?

High interest rates.

Who pays high interest rates?

Everyone.

Why?

Because.

Why?

Because of "easy money".

Really, you mean: everyone has to pay for the crimes committed by a few people involved in the liar loan scam, as the legal criminals boom the housing market, so as to know when to sell at the top of the boom, and then the legal criminals bust the housing market, so as to know when to start buying again, and the solution to that "easy money" problem is to raise interest rates on everyone, including all the Honest Productive Americans who earn difficult money, by honestly producing high quality products, at low cost, despite having their power stolen and used to make their competition more powerful?

Really?

The Fed's easy money policy has also enabled the federal government to increase its total debt by 56% since 2008, an increase of over $5 trillion.

There isn't anything easy about working your ass off for 30 years to pay off one home mortgage so as to own a home while having to work twice as much so as to pay for the equivalent of an entire second home, working twice as much as needed just to pay off one home. That is not easy money. That is almost exactly twice as not easy as it can be, but isn't, because The Federal Reserve System of Extortion is a money monopoly, and therefore there is no effective legal money competition, which would reward people who earn good credit, by lowering their costs of borrowing money, since they generate no cost, and since the opposite is true, they, The Honest Productive Americans, are the source of backing for money, the good faith and credit of The American People.

What do you think happens when criminals are rewarded with "easy money", while, at the same time, those who work hard to produce the value backing the money are punished, collectively, for the crimes of the few?

Reward crime, and what do you think will happen?

Punish honest hard work and what do you think will happen?

Confused?

Stop being confused, it is powerless.

Thanks to the Fed driving down interest rates and purchasing debt as fast as the Treasury has issued it, the federal government faces a crunch not only in terms of running up against the debt ceiling, but also in the structure of the debt.

That is another bubble that can be burst, and too bad for those who believe in that bubble. Belief in falsehood is an exploitable weakness. The reason why the home grown legal criminals are forced to lower interest rates is attributable, directly, to competitive forces - worldwide. We, in America, are not the only source of legal crime money. There are competitors. The competitors can play the same game, they can cause their own booms and busts in their own lands, their turf, and they can suck their productive capacity down to negative capacity faster than our home grown legal criminals can, and when they do that, we are relatively more powerful, because our productive capacity is not as quickly stolen from us, used against us, and that is competition.

China, for example, can force The Dollar Hegemony, to quicken the pace, or arrest the pace, at which The Dollar Hegemony steals the productive capacity from it's victims, because China adjusts the rate at which the productive capacity is stolen from its victims.

If The Dollar Hegemony steals too much productive capacity from its victims too quickly, while China is increasing the productive capacity of its victims, allowing the honest productive Chinese people to control more of their earnings, so that the honest productive Chinese people can do what they do best, which is produce honestly, then The Dollar Hegemony will eventually lose dominance, or World Reserve Currency Status, if that disparity is allowed to continue, on schedule.

Raising interest rates, at home, while China is on the boom schedule, will cause a sudden, and rapid, and off schedule, unwanted, dollar value reduction, because the productive capacity of The Honest Productive Americans will be reduced as rapidly, as suddenly, and that is not on the schedule at this time.

War is on the schedule at this time. World War III is on the schedule at this time. Interest rates have to be low, at this time, because The Honest Productive American People have to make all the products required to be the powerful opposing force which will fight the opposition in the war that is on the schedule.

Why are the Honest Productive Chinese People not realizing the benefits of a free market? Why are most, if not all, the profits flowing to the same few people as those same few people collect the profits from The Dollar Hegemony extortion racket? Where is the actual power to purchase flowing, and what is being bought?

In 2008 The Federal Reserve System of Extortion operators doubled the money supply. They borrowed an amount of money from The Honest Productive American People that was equal to the entire amount of dollars already in circulation. What did they buy with that money?

The are buying World War III.

They don't want you to know, it is a trade secret, and it is very interesting, but scary, so you may want to close your eyes, cover your ears, and shut your mouth, this is information that is not for public consumption, and it is information that is on a need to know basis. You don't need to know this information. You need to get your head down, you need to grovel when told, you need to work harder, and you need to get by with much less, and when told you must obey, without question. This is America, home of the obedient, land of those who don't question. Get back to work.

ZIRP and quantitative easing cannot hold down interest rates forever, as at some point investors will rebel and insist on higher interest rates for US debt.

Fail to know the truth, and what will be the cost of that failure?

Legal criminals borrowed from the Honest Productive American People, and then they turn around and claim that you owe them the entire sum they borrowed from you, plus interest. Not only is that avoidable, completely avoidable, as easy as the grocery store check out person cutting the credit card of a known dead beat, not only is that as easily avoided, once it is done: The Honest Productive People in American can then return to honest productive life, offering everyone in the world the highest quality, productive products, at the lowest competitive cost, over night.

Who, by what power, is going to demand interest payments, from whom? Who gave these people license to steal by that method? When that license is revoked, what happens?

It is a good idea to warn all the people who have grown accustomed to life earned by deceit, by threats of violence, and by way of aggressive violence upon the innocent, that their gravy train will end on a date, and time, on the calender, so as to afford anyone time to adjust.

Think back to the dead-beat shopping at the grocery store, spending time and effort collecting things to put in the cart. At the check out counter, with a full cart, in line, moving to the check out person, having all the things in the cart checked and a total produced, then the dead-beat hands the clerk a worthless credit card, and it is cut in half, and all the stuff has to go back on the shelf. That is a bad idea. Put a sign on the door, or even clue the stock boys, and girls, and the bag boys, and girls, men, and women, honest productive people, clue them in, and engage them, let them know enough to pass the word, we will no longer be accepting nothing as payment for something good, let alone will we be financing our own torture and our own mass murder at the hands of these legal criminals. Don't bother grabbing a cart. Don't bother filing up the cart. Don't waste your time and ours, your credit car will be cut.

The legal criminals will get the message. Their employers will get the message. Those who are connected will get the message, and everyone will have plenty of time to make the necessary adjustments. The flow of power from The Honest Productive Americans to the Legal Criminals will stop, on say, July 4th 2012, and so, you have advance notice, get used to it now. Don't grab a cart unless you have found another way to pay for your food needs, don't fill the cart up, if you have not arranged to earn a living honestly, don't get in line at the checkout counter unless you have found a charitable person to help you pay for your costs of living, there won't be someone accepting your false debt routine at the check out counter anymore.

If they threaten you with World War III for announcing your honorable promise to stop paying them for using your power to cause World War III, be clued in. Ask them who do they think will be joining that event now that their gravy train is on schedule to stop on July 4th 2012? The investors will know that the gravy train is going to stop. Who will fund World War III then? Who has the power to start or stop World War III? Who has the power to produce empty threats? Who has the power to make those threats real, by mistake, or by force of will?

When they threaten, reply:

Been there, done that, it wasn't working, it is time to move on.

Thank you very much, but no thanks.

At this point this maturing debt will either have to be paid off or rolled over at higher interest rates, both of which will be very costly for taxpayers.

Why?

Get this straight in our heads people: the legal criminals steal power from the source of power, which can be called by any other name, but why, why, why, would anyone call that process an obligation to pay even more?

You earn a living, you produce the stuff that sustains life, and someone steals that power from you. Get that straight. Then the thief claims that you owe them something for having allowed them to steal from you. Do you understand the naked truth here, can you get past the lies at all, let alone to the basic level?

Claiming that anyone owes anyone is just that, a claim, and when due process exists, when people settle for no less than due process, there is an accused person, who is presumed to be innocent.

In this case all the people who have become known as Tax Payers are hereby accused of owing something to someone else, and where is the presumption of innocence, where is the discovery of the facts concerning this supposed debt, where is the trial, where is the due process, how has it been determined that the guilty are, in fact, guilty of this supposed debt?

If you let the legal criminals dictate to you, they will, and if you reward them, they have more power to dictate more, and if you keep on rewarding them for lying to you, threatening you, injuring you, you grow weaker as they grow stronger, and what do you think happens as that process progresses?

This is not news.

We have been warned, repeatedly. This bus has a destination, and it isn't liberty.

Both Pres. Hoenig and I realize that printing money out of thin air as the Fed has done and threatens to continue to do is not a panacea. If zero interest rates and quantitative easing could really solve unemployment, there would be no reason not to maintain such policies in perpetuity. Such policies, however, lead to the formation of asset bubbles, as both Pres. Hoenig and I know. Chairman Bernanke’s predecessor Alan Greenspan fueled the dot-com bubble and attempted to stave off its collapse by resorting to one percent interest rates. That created the housing bubble whose collapse Chairman Bernanke is attempting to stymie through zero percent interest and massive quantitative easing. The next bubble is already forming, although which sector will be hit hardest remains to be seen. Pres. Hoenig has alluded to some possible bubble sectors in his district, so I look forward to his testimony and his answers to our questions.

Coincidentally, as you may see, my Product 1, and my Product 2, illustration of how competition in legal financial markets work to increase the quality of money and the cost of money, are reported as zero interest, and 1 percent interest, as does Ron Paul's words as Ron Paul reports on premeditated actions perpetrated by the legal criminals running The Federal Reserve System of Extortion, which is a legal money monopoly, or State Bank, whereby competition is against the law, and therefore the quality of the money they produce can be anything they produce, and the cost of the money they produce can be anything they charge, and the only check, the only force, on that power to produce any form of money they want, is external, or foreign, or outside the legal jurisdiction of that legal money monopoly, such as China, or Russia, or Iran, or Brazil, or Venezuela, or all those State Banking Systems combined into one competitive Cartel.

When Ron Paul demonizes low interest rates, such as zero interest rate, or 1 percent interest rate, as he does in the quote, he is actually reporting facts that have to do with a legal crime ring, organized crime that is legal, and it may be a good idea to accurately discriminate between legal crime enforced money, and the money that would dominate when no single money was enforced by deceit, threats of violence, and acts of violence, and so, having done that, the question arises:

What interest rate would be the interest rate that appealed to the majority of consumers in a situation where competitors offered a competitive interest rate to all the consumers?

A. Higher interest rate
B. Lower interest rate

The answer, to say the least, is interesting.

There are no answers.

Try asking.

Ron Paul claims that there are zero interest loans, and 1 percent interest loans, available to someone. Who has those loans, and what are they buying with those loans, and if they default on those loans, because they buy World War III with those loans, who will be left holding the empty bag, according to Ron Paul?

I must clarify my position relative to Ron Paul, and relative to the legal criminals, and to do so I will confirm my understanding that Ron Paul will end legal crime if he is elected, if he survives. He is on the side of The Honest Productive Americans, as far as I know, but as far as I know: he is not faultless, and neither am I. On my list of faults, however, is not the willful desire to torture people, murder massive numbers of innocent victims for profit, and steal by way of deceit, threats of violence, and horrible violence, the power to perpetuate any crime I can imagine, which are faults on the lists of those people hired to run U.S.A. Inc. (LLC).

It may be as good a time as any for regime change that favors The Honest Productive People in America, while regime change is afoot, on schedule, in favor of the legal criminals, as if they need even more destructive power.

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Honest Productive Americans,

It may help you to know that the legal criminals must get you to board their train heading to doom day.

A song may help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZtwxc423jg

I do not adhere to organized religion myself, knowing, as I do, that God is Truth, and therefore not within my limited field of view. When I know all there is to know, I'll know God too; which is far from where I am now. But, the message in the song is a warning, and it serves to help describe the fact that the legal criminals must have your consent, your willing participation, your agreement, your thoughts, and your actions must be lead in the direction that transfers your power to them, without that polarizing power, the legal criminals are powerless. Their source of power is, in that way of measuring, the power you produce.

Another illustration, similar to the song illustration, is a very old fable, or story, and this story has been passed from generation to generation since before modern organized religion began.

http://deoxy.org/alephnull/sirens.htm 

Square in your ship's path are Sirens, crying
beauty to bewitch men coasting by;
woe to the innocent who hears that sound!
He will not see his lady nor his children
in joy, crowding about him, home from sea;
the Sirens will sing his mind away
on their sweet meadow lolling. There are bones
of dead men rotting in a pile beside them
and flayed skins shrivel around the spot.
Steer wide;
keep well to seaward; plug your oarsmen's ears
with beeswax kneaded soft; none of the rest
should hear that song.
But if you wish to listen,
let the men tie you in the lugger, hand
and foot, back to the mast, lashed to the mast,
so you may hear those harpies' thrilling voices;
shout as you will, begging to be untied,
your crew must only twist more line around you
and keep their stroke up, till the singers fade. (Book 12, 41-58)


How much of the original message has been lost in translation over the years? Is the message simple enough to remain intact as the warning passes from the inventor to your ear now?

Confused?

How about one more warning:

http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/EinsteinQuotes.html

You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat.

My translation:

Human beings are not born with perfect knowledge, therefore a dependence upon other people exists, so as to avoid repeating species killing mistakes, and in that way the species can last longer, so long as one person is connected to another person, so as to transfer that life saving power that can be called by any name including the English word: experience.

Stand on the shoulders of giants, or be crushed under the boots of tyrants.

The legal criminals have to have you buy the ticket, get in your car, drive to the station, hand the ticket to the officer on the train, board the train, and keep you on it, by convincing you that there are no other options.

Know the full meaning of this, please, and once you do, who can stop your power to invent another option - ever?

What happens when too many people fail to heed the warnings?

Use your brain. Your brain has the capacity to compare one thing with another thing, and that is a very simple calculation. One thing is not as good as the other thing, when you decide to look at it, not when you are told that one thing is not as good as another thing.

Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War

That reference, of warning, is traced back to 1194–1184 BC

The story about the Gift by the Greeks, which was a Trojan Horse, can help in understanding the current trouble.

The legal criminals claim to be offering security from terror, security from drugs, security from torture, security from economic collapse, security from toil, trouble, pain, suffering, work, hell on earth, or sharp pointed sticks, anything, any song, any story, will do, so long as you take the deal, and the deal, to you, will be, in your mind, that you give up your power to rescind, revoke, veto, end, terminate, expire, or otherwise disconnect your dealings from their dealings.

You are done, the war is over, they win, as soon as you acquiesce, and, on the other hand, as soon as you regain common sense, they have lost, and it is that simple, individually, and, conversely, it is as complicated as there are numbers of different individuals, each following their own paths, to their own ticket vendors, onto their own roads, to their own train stations, along their own paths, once they are on those mired paths to doom, those paths that are scripted by the legal criminals, and then sold to you, with pretty sounding songs, and all forms of false advertisements, behavioral modification routines, response conditioning, subliminal messaging, false propaganda, soft selling, hard selling, cajoling, threatening, pushing, pulling, ordering, whipping, enticing, with carrot, and stick, herding, focusing, polarizing, corralling, entrapping, sheering, absorbing, sucking, blood letting, torturing, and mass murdering.

Stop reading from the script, realize that you are not bound to the mast, and realize that you don't have wax in your ears that can filter out the lies, realize that you are participating, actively causing, your own doom, as your power flows from you to the very people who victimize you with the power you once had, the power that is no longer in your control, the power that had made you strong, the power that has now left you weak, the power that is now commanded by the criminals who attach their ideas, their desires, their goals, their aspirations, their designs, their intentions, to you, connecting as parasites to you, and leech all that is life out of you, and that is their life, that is their method of operation, that is their constructed reality, and by the connections they make to you, the connections you accept, that process perpetuates, and you, and those criminals, together, travel down that path, to that goal, on schedule.

It is complicated because it is not one thing, it is many different things, each person, each place, each time, as complicated as there are moments in a day, as complicated as their are thoughts in each mind, and as complicated as there are multitudes of actions performed by each person, each minute, at each location.

It is as simple as each example being commonly bound by the one common denominator, which is the transfer of power, from the many victims, to the few legal criminals, as easy, simple, and matter of fact, common sense, understandable, reasonable, logical, conceivable, as one word, and all the complexity that focuses on that one word, in English, and you can help me now, in offering the best word, the best single, common denominating word, the one polarizing, single minded, focal point, where all the individuals are heading, along the path, the one word is on each sign along the way, in this one direction, as each person travels along this one, single, direction, all traveling from different points of origin, but all ultimately arriving at the same end point.

What is that one single word?

I'll offer two competitive, best guess, words. You can think of one, yourself. You can invent one. You can invent a word, of warning, to be handed down to your loved ones, and you can warn them, and when they see this word, they are to stop, and they are to turn around, and they are to go anther way, not that way, don't get on that Long Black Train.

Which word?

Are you waiting for me to order you to use my word? Are you looking for help, or are you trained to wait for instructions?

Here are my offerings:

1. Obey
2. Debt

Either one will do, and I can't decide, exactly, which is the better word that can warn any hapless, powerless, willing, able, and ready victim, in preceding generations of mankind, as to which word, in English, connects me, to anyone, so as to help them know, you are on the wrong road, invent something better, or you will continue down that road, and you will meet more, and more, and more, and more, suffering people, more, and more, and more, and more, desperate people, and you will see torture, and you will see mass murder, and death will look like paradise to you, on that road.

What sign are you reading, on the road you are traveling?

How simple is it to invent a path that avoids that one path?

How many people are needed to make that path reach that goal? Everyone on that path, reach that goal, willfully; so reasonably: what is needed for anyone if anyone decides to avoid that path to that goal?

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Honest Productive Americans,

Before responding to the articled linked above I have an update on the campaign. In an effort to begin practice speaking I've downloaded the following software:

http://www.anymeeting.com/

With that software I can fit speaking practice into my daily activities, and record the effort and monitor progress, until such time as another medium of communication becomes obviously higher in quality and lower in cost for my purposes. The software is freeware, along the lines of many new products, where the simpler versions are free, and the more complex versions are sold at a competitive price; Skype also uses this marketing strategy.

I sent a contact e-mail to American Third Position, with no reply as yet from them concerning candidacy.

http://a3p.me/?page_id=12

The article linked at the top of the page is an example of how the legal criminals box in the efforts of their victims so as to make their victims impotent, like grounding an electrical circuit, the power is shunted, it is rendered useless, it does nothing but waste the power that was produced, the power that was going to do useful work, where the power drains, and worse, the power can cause destruction instead of having the power reach the goal for which the power was produced.

Here is a quote:

Tea Partiers love mentioning Thomas Paine because they think they share his "Common Sense" (otherwise known as a sense held in common) but they haven't bothered to read it, and are clearly unfamiliar with essays such as "Public Good", in which Paine wrote that, especially while at war (as America currently is, of course): "To have a clear idea of taxation is necessary to every country, and the more funds we can discover and organise, the less will be the hope of the enemy."

Thomas Paine, as far as I know, was able to polarize the efforts of many people and help cause specific things to be done, not limited to defense against a criminal army of invaders whose intent was to subjugate an entire population under the dictatorial power of one person, or, in today's terminology, the insurgents inspired by Thomas Paine, and other less effective propagandists, defended against an aggressive war for profit. Thomas Paine also helped many people understand the true nature of government compared to the true nature of society, in his words:

http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm


Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

If there is an invading army, an army that is conducting an aggressive war for profit, whereby there are very few criminals who profit at the expense of all the victims, then as Thomas Paine suggests, there is a need for government, and the need for government is obvious, as the targeted society is being wiped out by the aggressors, turned into a parking lot, or otherwise injured, tortuously, murderously, injured, by the aggressors, for their exclusive profit, at the expense of the weaker, powerless, victims.

1. Society
2. Government (supposed to be in between, disconnecting, defending society from injury)
3. All that can, and does, destroy society, not limited to the willful acts of individual criminals, and not limited to the willful acts of organized crime, and not limited to the willful acts of criminals with badges, licenses, votes, tax receipts, and armies of ignorant financiers.

Thomas Paine clued in the potential victims as to the method by which the government operators can turn the tables, turn the force of government, which is defensive, up-side-down, and make that defensive power into an aggressive, for profit of a few, power.

Warning:

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

1. Society producing an effective defense by collecting individual power into one central, defensive, power organization.
2. One, defensive, power organization, collecting, and spending, utilizing, consuming, conducting, ensuring, enabling, causing, creating, improving, adapting, perpetuating, defense against attack by anyone, any group, any power, so as to preserve society, to keep society defended from injury by any force, any power, threatening society.


1. Society -> -> -> -> -> -> -> 2. Government

Power flows from the place where power is created to the place where power is stored, and employed, in defense against threats to society.

What happens when the people running the government become criminals as the people running government begin to use the power flowing to government in the work of injuring innocent victims by deceiving their targeted victims, and by way of threatening their targeted victims, and by way of aggressive wars for the profit of a few, at the expense of the many, where the injured are tortured, and murdered, for the profit of a few, as the piles of innocent dead pile up?

Warning:

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

1. Society -> -> -> -> -> -> -> 2. Government
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Our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

Know that much. Know how that works. Reflect upon the fact that your earnings, your blood, sweat, and tears, the measure of your productive work flows, and flows more, and flows faster, and flows even more, and flows even faster, so as to heighten your suffering, as you have to work harder, and harder, for less, and less, because the power you were sending, voluntarily, to ensure your State of Liberty, is stolen, and then your power is used to make you suffer instead of being used to ensure your State of Liberty.

I picked out the following words from that article linked at the top of the page for a reason.

Tea Partiers love mentioning Thomas Paine because they think they share his "Common Sense" (otherwise known as a sense held in common) but they haven't bothered to read it, and are clearly unfamiliar with essays such as "Public Good", in which Paine wrote that, especially while at war (as America currently is, of course): "To have a clear idea of taxation is necessary to every country, and the more funds we can discover and organise, the less will be the hope of the enemy."

I use the term Honest Productive Americans for a reason. I do not wish to include anyone who is not an Honest Productive American inside the group that constitute society, where in every state of society, society is a blessing, I did not choose "Tea Party" as my target group, since, I know, that many people use a tactic known as prejudice so as to inflict injury collectively. Do you understand the tactic?

A criminal, with or without a badge, will target a society, or any group of Honest Productive People, so as to exploit that society, so as to take power from it, and the criminal uses a tactic by which a few hired bad apples are sent into society to do bad things while wearing clothes, and make-up, and dresses, and hats, and color their faces, as if the hired bad apples were members of that society, and then, the criminals, by that tactic, can punish everyone collectively, for the actions of a few bad apples, that they happen to hire to be bad apples, on purpose, for profit, of those few, at the expense of all the rest of society.

Thomas Paine didn't explain things in that way. I did. It is common sense awareness of the facts. It is "held in common" that a fact, like looking at the sun, and having your yes injured by doing so, is a fact, and there are many examples, like sticking your hand in a fire, as your hand cooks, burns, and becomes less than a working hand, a common sense fact, and so, having common sense, it makes sense, to stop sending power to people who use that power to torture, and mass murder, perpetually, as they gain so much power as to have enough power to actually threaten the human species with extinction.

I am going to relay a story I found in an old book. I'll get the book, and I will link the title, and I will not spend too much time looking for the quote, but I will relay the message, in my own words.

Well...the book is not handy, and I have a deadline to meet today, so I have to cut this short.

The Lost State of Franklin is a book about a power struggle during the time when 13 separate and sovereign State (legal fictions) became one Democratic Federated Republic, and then, later, those legal fictions became one Consolidated Nation State. In the book there are references to people living on the frontier, and other people conduct aggressive wars for profit, then known as a massacre, as some of the aggressors are know to be white people dressed up as Native Americans, or "Indians", and guess what happens next?

Get that straight first.

Society A is living peacefully next to Society B.

Society A may be white people.

Society B may be not white people.

Some of the white people dress up as non-white people and they are hired to slaughter white people, so as to blame the non-white people for the slaughter.

Guess what happens next?

Are you out of guesses?

The people who were hired to protect the white society, are the people who hired the white people to dress up as "Indians", and those same employers then have all they need, all the power they need, to collectively punish peaceful society B, conducting an aggressive war for profit, resulting in ownership of a whole lot of prime land, which is then sold at market prices to people who pay taxes, and people who obey when told to obey, and people who can be frightened into submission, and people who become desperate when they are led to believe that they are powerless.

At some point the Honest Productive People may, or many not, heed the warning.

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

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Honest Productive Americans,

Returning from a job I have time to invest in unraveling the mired web of deception and from that point of exposure a clear path can be realized, and then traveled, keeping in mind a serious need to remain adaptable, and be inventive, as new realizations present themselves along the way.

Above is a link to another one of the few people who are now gaining currency as the word is being spread concerning dire warnings, grave threats, and impending doom, which may, or may not, be suffered by those who are targeted, as the power struggle plays out.

This is not news.

The reason I picked the above text, that source of data, for this effort to keep the warning alive, is due to the fact that the inventor, and distributor, of that text, has offered a solution, and I will read that solution, and I will comment on that solution, and I will measure that solution in direct competition with my own proposed solution, and therefore solutions, more than one, comprise a scale of solutions, building a graduated yard stick of solutions, in the absence of solutions, within the sounds of silence.

A quote is needed, from the linked text, so as to get an idea, an understanding, a knowing, of what is a solution, according to that voice.

“It’s not just Model T economics that’s outmoded, so are our approaches to education, healthcare, politics and, yes, the military,” says Celente. “The old adage ‘Generals fight the last war’ is as valid as ever. While the technology may have changed, the mindset hasn’t. The conviction that brute force can prevail in an occupied country defended by guerilla combatants has proven a multi-trillion dollar, decade-long failure. Yet even as old wars drag on with no victory in sight, new wars are started such as ‘Operation Odyssey Dawn’ launched against Libya five months ago, a ‘kinetic military action’ that was supposed to end in ‘day’s, not weeks.’”

That is not the solution. That is a wording of the problem, and it is false. I an give Gerald Celente a measure of credit in that he may know better, and his message may be written in the language of victims.

What do I mean by saying "in the language of victims"?

Victims are told that the problems borne by the victims are being fixed by someone, so that the victims do not realize the need to fix the problems themselves, and this works as a method, or tactic, by which the legal criminals perpetuate victimization, since the legal criminals are the people who are supposedly fixing the problem, and the language that the victims are made to use, the words the victims are made to say, include these words that are repeated by Gerald Celente; whereby the people who are hired to fix the problem fail to fix the problem due to ineptitude, ignorance, or mistake, error, failure, but not for lack of willpower, not for lack of desire, not for lack of interest, the people hired to fix the problems try to fix the problems.

Victims are made to repeat that language.

"Our" leaders are trying to fix the problem, again.

Repeat that victim language many times.

Repeat that victim language may more times.

Make that victim language true in your mind.

Repeat that victim language until that victim language is true in your mind.

I don't.

I don't do this:

“It’s not just Model T economics that’s outmoded, so are our approaches to education, healthcare, politics and, yes, the military,” says Celente. “The old adage ‘Generals fight the last war’ is as valid as ever. While the technology may have changed, the mindset hasn’t. The conviction that brute force can prevail in an occupied country defended by guerilla combatants has proven a multi-trillion dollar, decade-long failure. Yet even as old wars drag on with no victory in sight, new wars are started such as ‘Operation Odyssey Dawn’ launched against Libya five months ago, a ‘kinetic military action’ that was supposed to end in ‘day’s, not weeks.’”

Gerald Celente may reach the victims, while I fail to reach the victims, since Gerald Celente speaks the victims langauge, and I don't.

I give Gerald Celente credit, if credit is due, if Gerald Celente earns credit for speaking victim langauge, when Gerald Celente uses words to convey the full measure of the problem.

What about the solution?

Celente Solution: Direct Democracy

Before I read details on that proposed solution I have to say two things.

1.
The solution to a false problem (speaking in victim language) is not likely to be an effective solution to the real problem. Solving the real problem requires an accurate identification of the real problem. The real problem is not such that "they" are failing to fix the problem despite every effort by the authorities, as those experts try desperately to fix the problem, but they fail to fix the problem. The real problem is simpler. Those specific people, who I call Legal Criminals, cause the problem, they may have been hired to fix the problem, in the minds of the victims, but the full measure of the problem is such that those specific people who are said to be hired to fix the problems, are causing the problems. Fix the problem, not the false problem. Fix the cause, not the symptoms.

2.
Direct Democracy can be illustrated very well by an essay done by a person who, as far as I know, is still in prison, and he is being punished by someone for something, and if you read the essay you may learn something about Direct Democracy and punishment.

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm

Now, having those two things offered to The Honest Productive People, the solution offered by Gerald Celente can be understood as a specific proposed solution, on the scale of proposed solutions.

In random order:

1. Gerald Celente (Direct Democracy) solution
2. Assassination Politics (Direct Democracy) solution offered by Jim Bell
3. A Nation State (such as the thing created by The U.S. Constitution) also knowable as Legal Crime
4. A Democratic Federated Republic (such as the thing that worked just before The Constitution was a product of a specific fraud)
5. Product 1 and Product 2 offered as two voluntary financial products offered by Joe Kelley as an illustration of how legal financial competition works to improve quality and lower cost

Being specific about item 1 on the list above there are words that intend to convey specifics and I can read those words, and I can quote words from the source, and I can comment on those word after I quote those words.

Can Direct Democracy really work? It does in Switzerland! But is it a viable, realistic substitute for the many representative democracies, which, in practice, are not democratic at all?

Switzerland, as far as I know, is a Democratic Federated Republic, as it was the Swiss model chosen by the so called Founding Fathers, as they invented, and then maintained The Articles of Confederation, so as to employ that specific from of government, which was not Direct Democracy.

What language works best to accomplish which goal?

Victim language perpetuates victimization.

What works to avoid victimization?

You tell me.

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Honest Productive Americans,

That is a link to a cartoon called The American Dream. It is false. It is written in victim's language. It does not express a principled viewpoint, as far as I have seen so far, and I have yet to get past the false claim that Debt = Money.

Debt is a concept, alone, one thing. What is debt, all by itself?

Know what you are talking about before you answer definitively. I can offer my definitive answer while you get your answer all lined up and ready for competitive challenge.

Debt is a synonym for crime.

Debt is a one way transfer of power from the person who is owned to the person who owns the person who is owned.

That is the concept of debt, when debt is seen as one thing, all alone, just Debt, only Debt, without any other thing sharing, or confusing, the concept of Debt.

If you add the concept of Credit to the concept of Debt, you have confusion, why would you confuse one thing with two things?

Confusing one thing that isn't confusing with another thing that makes the one thing that isn't confusing into something that is now confusing, has the added consequence of making the second thing confused too.

What is Credit?

Get your answer all lined up definitively before offering your answer up for competitive challenge.

Do you have a single, unconfused, rational, reasonable, understandable, conceptualized, definition for Debt?

Do you have a single, unconfused, rational, reasonable, understandable, conceptualized, definition for Credit?

Is one concept part of the other concept, and if so, why do you need two words, or what is the one word that accurately conveys exactly what Debt and Credit form when they are combined?

Debt = Crime

That is a competitive understanding of the concept of Debt, as Debt is accurately discriminated from the opposite concept, which is Credit, and I do not combine Debt with Credit, unless I have to employ victim's language in the work required to speak to victims, in their own distorted, confused, and duplicitous language.

Credit is the process of earning transfers of power to a credit worthy individual because a credit worthy individual has proven to be innocent of crime, someone who produces more than that someone consumes, someone who does not resort to deceit, as a means of gaining power from targeted innocent victims, someone who does not resort to threats of violence as a means of gaining power from targeted innocent victims, and someone who does not resort to injury causing violence upon targeted innocent victims as a means of survival.

Credit = Liberty

Debt = Crime

Why would anyone, ever, desire to confuse Crime with Liberty?

I can offer an answer:

A criminal, especially a Legal Criminal, can perpetuate crime if the innocent victims are led to believe that Liberty is the same thing as Crime, and to cause the targeted innocent victims to believe that lie, Legal Criminals produce false propaganda that expresses that lie, in various forms, repeated enough times, over time, to alter the actual language used by the innocent victims, to a point whereby the innocent victims are rendered weak, impotent, and powerless within their duplicity, having lost the capacity to accurately discriminated between simple opposites such as Good and Bad, Right and Wrong, Productive and Destructive, Lies and Truth, Debt and Credit, Crime and Liberty.

If you want to employ your power to know better, then answer the question yourself, and if your answer is of higher quality, and lower cost, please consider offering that challenge right here, and right now.

Why would anyone, ever, desire to confuse Debt with Credit?

How about simple physical measures of Debt compared to simple physical measures of Credit?

How much of anything flows from the person who owes something to the person who is owed something when such transfers involve only the concept of Debt, without any combination of the concept of Debt with the concept of Credit?

How much of anything flows between anyone and anyone else when dealing with the concept of Credit, without any combination of the concept of Credit with the concept of Debt?

How much of anything flows between the debtor and the creditor, when the concept of Debt is confused with the concept of Credit?

Harkening back to the video where a line of people with money are depositing bags of money in the bank and a second line of people are shown in the video whereby the second line of people are given money, as a visual illustration offered to the viewer of that propaganda, one line deposits, another line withdraws. Be sure, please, that I do know that my words are forms of propaganda, and if you have no power to accurately discriminate the difference between false propaganda, which is false on purpose, false by design, and honest propaganda, which is true by design, then you are powerless in the extreme.

Ask, please, as to how those people who are in the line with bags of money, depositing money in the bank, ask how they got their bags of money, ask that question, and then see the relevance of my laundry list of questions:

1.
Why would anyone, ever, desire to confuse Debt with Credit?

Competitive answers:
A.
To weaken the victims so as to perpetuate crime.
B.  
To go with the flow, to do as told, to fit in, to socialize, to be one of the crowd, to follow the herd, to avoid standing out, to obey unconditionally, to be fashionable, to be like everyone else in that line, on that road.

2.
How about simple physical measures of Debt compared to simple physical measures of Credit?

Competitive answers:
A.
Money flows one way in debt, inequitably, measurably, and money flows two ways in credit, equitably.
B.
Power is lost by the producer of power in debt, and power is retained by the producer of power in credit.

3.
How much of anything flows from the person who owes something to the person who is owed something when such transfers involve only the concept of Debt, without any combination of the concept of Debt with the concept of Credit?

Competitive answers:
A.
Money flows from the person who owes (the person who is owned) to the person who is owed, who is the person who own the person who is owned.

B.
Power flows from the person who creates power to the person who receives that power; in a moral sense: power flows from the slave to the master, or in a legal sense: power flows from the victim to the criminal, or from a Legal Crime, duplicitous, employment of terms: power flows from the debtor to the creditor (while there is no employment of a concept of credit in this case, rather the concept of credit is a false front for the enforcement of abject slavery)

4.
How much of anything will flow between anyone and anyone else, when dealing with the concept of Credit and without any combination of the concept of Credit with the concept of Debt?

Competitive answer:
A.
Power flows from a creditor or creditors to a person who earns credit and then power flows back to the creditor or creditors from the person who earns credit, and the flow is equitable, and the producer of power retains the power the producer produces.  

5.
How much of anything flows between the debtor and the creditor, when the concept of Debt is confused with the concept of Credit?

Competitive answer:
An idea can be shared, by the person who earns credit, and by the person, or persons, who realize that the person does earn credit, that the time period in between the point at which the power flows to the person who earns credit, and the time period when that power flows back to the persons who sent that power, as a time when the person who earns credit is "in debt". Why?

Why is the person who earns credit considered to be "in debt"?

You tell me.

A. Person earns credit.

B. Person receives credit.

C. Person pays back all the power received.

Where is there any time when the person who earns credit is a person who is in debt? Why add the concept of debt at all?

I'm going to watch more of The American Dream, and if something appears to be worth challenging, I will do so, here, soon.

I got to the part where the video exposes another duplicitous butchering of accurate language, and again one thing is one thing, and another thing is another thing, and when those two things are confused, what happens, and why would anyone, ever, want to confuse two things, as if two things are not two things, as if two things are one thing?

1. Public (as in the Federal Reserve System of Extortion is a public entity, or legal fiction)
2. Private (as in the Federal Reserve System of Extortion is a private thing)

In order to be clear on why this is now a concern worthy of careful discrimination, between false (on purpose) propaganda, and honest true propaganda (or news), I will try to quote the actual words used in The American Dream:

Average Joe:
"Where does The Federal Reserve get their money?"

Later:

Average Joe:
"How come the government isn't allowed inside it's own building?"

Voice of Authority:
"Government? The Fed is a private bank, owned by private stockholders. Do not let the name Federal fool you; this place is about as Federal as Federal Express."

What is meant by the word private, in context? You have to stop thinking in terms of being a victim. You have to stop censoring your own power of moral conscience, and you have to adapt, and invent, your own definitions for specific things that you apply your power of thinking upon, in the work of understanding specific things, and you can no longer just settle for answers given to you, where you merely parrot the answer given to you.

What is meant by the word private?

What is meant by the word private, in context?

1.
What is meant by the word private?

Competitive answer:
The word private is a concept by which a person is known, and measurably known, to be disconnected from the Legal Criminals, and is therefore not subject to involuntary injury caused by Legal Criminals, resulting from that undesirable connection to Legal Criminals, and such a person, not connected to Legal Criminals, is a person who is not subjected to injuries by Legal Criminals, and is therefore a private person, or a free man, or a free woman, free to act without being connected to Legal Criminals in any way, and as such the free, private, person is free to expend privately earned power in defense against criminals if that private person decides to spend power in that manner, even if the private person does so by voluntarily sending power to a central location, such as, for example, an insurance fund, such as an insurance fund that insures against injury by Legal Criminals, for an example of a private person acting privately with other private people, agreeably, voluntarily, for mutual interest, for mutual protection, and for mutual support.

1.
What is meant by the word private, in context?

Competitive answer:
In context, the word private is used as a Legal Crime designation, whereupon the victims are designated as private people, and the Legal Criminals are exceptional, and the Legal Criminals exempt themselves from the victim group, the Legal Criminals employ the term private as a means of discovering who is to be targeted for exploitation, and therefore the word private can be synonymous with the word Tax Payer, or Slave, or Victim, so long as the word accurately discriminates between those who are exploited from those who exploit. The group of people who exploit are called the public.

Private = victim (those who are involuntarily associated with the Legal Criminals or else)
Public = Legal Criminals (those  who invent, produce, and maintain the involuntary connection, or parasitic connection to the targeted, productive, victims)

The reason why that is the meaning of that word, in that context, is a direct result of the nature of the connection between The Honest Productive People, in America, and the separate, and sovereign, group of people who control U.S.A. Inc. (LLC), or The Dollar Hegemony, or The Establishment, or The Federal Government (which is actually a Nation State, and it is categorically not a Democratic Federated Republican experimental form of government), and therefore, the relationship between The Honest Productive People, The Tax Payers (the people who actually produce that which constitutes "TAX"), and, The Legal Criminals, is in one word, Crime.

The name used to designate one group, victims, from the other group, criminals, is whatever word perpetually renders the victims powerless.

Call the victims by the name "private" and so long as that word continues to render the victims powerless, so long will that word work to deceive the victims.

Call the criminals by the name "public" and so long as that word continues to render the victims powerless, so long with that word work to deceive the victims.

Try it on for size, see how it works, as you remove the words you are taught to use, and in place of those duplicitous, deceptive, words, you place meaningful words, accurate words, in place.

You may say that in context the producers of that news feed, The American Dream, are not using the words as you say they are using them, you may claim that the people running The Federal Reserve are "private" individuals, as the cartoon claims, and the people running The Federal Reserve are not "public" people, they are not Federal Employees, or "representatives", or anything having to do with "government", as the video intends to point out.

Here you may be duped, while my principled approach allows me to avoid all the duplicity, so as to arrive closer to the truth.

If someone has the legal license, or some group has that license, to double the total number of legal units of legal tender, as was done in 2008, then how can you claim, as the video appears to be claiming, that that power is not definitively a power of government, in any way that you may claim that the word government can be defined accurately, how can you support the claim that that group is not a government group, and to be even more specific, and to avoid confusion, and to avoid ambiguity, why not call that group a Legal Crime group, since that is what they are, categorically.

There are 12 people on a legally licensed group who have the legal power to govern the thoughts and behaviors of all the people that are connected to the legal fiction known as U.S.A., or The United States of America, and that group is called The FOMC, or the Federal Open Market Committee, and to say that those people are "Private" is akin to saying that I am Santa Clause.

Within a criminal connection, or involuntary association, by any name you want to hang on the door, or paint in the sign, or print on the stationary, the facts concerning how power flows, within such a connection, remain the same way; and it is the same way that power flows during crime.

Victims (producers of power) ->->->->->-> Criminals (those who resort to deceit, threats of violence, and violence upon the innocent as a means of gaining power, those who cause power to flow that way)

Why confuse the term Public with the word Private?

If the form of government is strictly voluntary, then there is no one who rises to a position of being a "public" employee. Do you call the person waiting on your table a "public" employee at the restaurant, and does the same person become "public" when they do the same thing at the defense contractor cafeteria?

Why?

A person working at The DMV, or the Post Office, or City Hall, or The National Guard, or in the cafeteria at the defense contractor's rented building, are working in places where your failure to pay involuntary taxes will result in you being punished by the people you supposedly hire to protect you, punishing you for failure to send then the power you earn, and that makes them "public" employees, in that specific, accountable, measurable, context.

Public = Criminal
Private = Liberty

If there has been, or ever will be, a public government that is not criminal, then it will be as voluntary an association as is humanly possible, such as, for example, a Democratic Federated Republican experimental, adaptive, competitive, form of government, such as the government that was operating when The Honest Productive Americans drove the invading British Legal Criminals out of the 13 Separate and Sovereign States, combined within that Voluntary, legal, Union. When the Nationalists took over that Voluntary Legal Union, under those Articles of Confederation, they did so by fraud, with their Dirty Compromise, their Constitution, which was, is, and continues to be an involuntary association, or Legal Crime, in progress.

Note how words change:

Pursuit of Happiness
Pursuit of Profit

Public = Not for Profit (Equity)
Private = Legally allowed to Profit

What power is at play to make the meanings of words duplicitous, having opposite meanings?  What power is at play to make simple things too complicated for anyone other than the person causing simple things to be complicated?

Public versus Private terminology is within the ranges of victim's language, for public consumption, and the Legal Criminals are in on the gag, laughing all the way to your bank, the bank they stole, and the thing they use to keep the power flowing from you, the Honest Productive People of American, the source of power, to them, the Legal Criminals.

They even leave a very accurate and easy to follow paper trail, or trails, including, but not limited to, Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports. Victims can know exactly how much has been stolen, and by whom, whenever they care to look.

They tell you that "we" are broke, as they spend the power they steal from you, live lives of luxury, while you work harder, and harder, for less, and less, and for some very strange reason the victims believe the lies, the victims even hire known liars to represent them, as if the victims have been exposed to lies for so long that they can no longer conceive of the truth, even if the truth is spread out before them in no uncertain terms.

It isn't strange when you discover the truth, it actually makes sense, that the victims operate on an unconscious level, bypassing good moral sense, and avoiding the nagging intrusion of moral conscience, as the victims decide to buy a temporary stay of execution, a temporary lessening of impending torture, by paying liars, torturers, and serial killers to kill other people, to keep them busy working on torturing other people, murdering massive numbers of other people, and in that delay, as the hired liars, and hired torturers, and hired mass murderers, virtual cannibals, those horrible people are busy long enough to allow the voters, the employers, those who still voluntarily associate, within that connection, to those criminals, time; time before it is their turn in the meat grinder.

Time is running out, and the meat grinder is now targeting inward more so each day, as the headquarters of Legal Crime Inc., A.K.A. The New World Order, are gearing up for WWW III, the new Big One, as operations, as far as I can tell, will eventually be moved to Asia.

When Asia is being Boomed, American will continue to be busted, and the pretense of being "one of the gang", having made the choice: "If you can't beat'em, Join'em", will no longer be anything other than a complete and utter farce, a fantasy for the insane, a fabrication of complete and utter escape from reality, as the screws are turned as deeply as those same screws have been turned on other places, and other people, as in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and Africa, and all over the world, where the Legal Criminals have brought their low limits of bust on their business cycle schedule, no longer will the torture and murder be on "our" dime, since, we have none left to "contribute" in the effort to "Spread Democracy", or win any war, after being resolutely defeated in the next World War.

No longer will anyone be claiming that "we" are fighting terrorism, or "we" are the last free "Nation State", or "we" are going to save ourselves from global warming, or overpopulation, or we are this, or we are that, since we won't be required to say such lies anymore. We will be, unambiguous, victims.

Please sir, can I have some more.

I'm done with that video, it is too fueled up with lies for me. Perhaps it works to help other people get off the doom express sooner.

In terms of divorcing, totally, from any connection, or as many connections as is human possible, between The Honest Productive Americans, and any criminals, legal or otherwise, the power struggle is won first in the individual minds of each of The Honest Productive Americans, and once enough are clued in, the false credit card can be cut, and each of the remaining members of The Honest Productive Americans can invent, and adapt, and produce, and maintain, new, better, higher quality, and lower cost, methods of accurately accounting for each members capacity to earn the credit they are due.

Until then, until the new Liberty Day, doom will be the destination, on schedule.

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Honest Productive Americans,

I have two links to report to you, and they have a common message.

A.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28767.htm

Another common theme, at least among those who are not willfully blind, is that American decline is in no small measure self-inflicted. The comic opera in Washington this summer, which disgusts the country and bewilders the world, may have no analogue in the annals of parliamentary democracy.

B.
http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1014.html

Financial columnists of the sky-is-sagging perspective have searched for an accurate metaphor to describe the current economy. We have all failed.

I see a need to support my measure of the common element.

Word A:
Analogue

Word B:
Metaphor

Definition A:
a modern analog to what happened before

Definition B:
a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money); broadly : figurative language — compare simile

Word A2:
decline

Word B2:
sagging

The definitions of the words, in our common language of victims, can mean anything, to anyone, this minute, and the opposite meaning a second later. That can be a consequence of duplicity.

I don't think either messenger above is duplicitous. If you read their work, like reading Ron Paul's work, or reading Dennis Kucinich's work, you read the same message, over, and over, and over, again, where the words intend to mean the same thing each time, which can measure up as something called honesty.

Who is accurate?

The person receiving the message may want to hear lies, and that is a common problem, a problem that is borne by the person who pays the cost of such a problem, however that may actually measure up, in due time, accurately.

I start this message with those links, showing the common bonds that I see between those two messengers, and I prefer not to shoot the messenger, but I prefer to set aside the message, after realizing the full measure of the message, and my intention is to move onto solutions. I have two. Two solutions that work as one solution.

I'm leading into the two solutions, and it occurs to me to repeat something, before moving into the two solutions that work as one solution, and the reason that I add these next two things that constitute one thing is reasonable, if you think about it, think about how two things manage to form one thing.

Thing A:
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/

Thing B:
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

When two things are produced, so as to have two things work together, the outcome is one thing. That one thing that was produced from those two things has since been called World War II.

Here is one comment on World War III, before I move, finally, onto 2 solutions that work as one thing.

http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/EinsteinQuotes.html

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

The products that we, The Honest Productive Americans, use for money are produced by the same people who bring torture, mass murder, and steps leading closer and closer to human extinction, so, naturally, the solution is to use higher quality products, produced by us, and in so doing, the connection that has been made by The Legal Criminals, to their source of enormous power, is cut, like cutting a credit card in half, as simple as that, and you did not hear this from Gary North, and you did not hear this from Noam Chomsky, and you did not hear this from any other messenger.

What is the solution that will work? Do you get a detailed, reasonable, workable, logical, understandable, interesting, solution?

Follow along with me as I bring the solution that will work into focus on a personal level for any of the millions of Honest Productive People who are not right now personally wealthy, not yet wealthy enough to have so much power as to be able to have their accumulated power working to make even more power, and this can be understood well.

I am speaking about the millions of people who are not yet in a position to sit at home, playing games, doing nothing productive, since they don't have to do anything productive, since they have an account somewhere, denominated in dollars, and that account is large enough to generate a steady increase by way of interest payments sent into that "savings" account.

I'm not speaking to those people, who are set for life, with lots, and lots, and lots, of power, so much power that their power grows larger, and larger, just because it is so large.

Those people can worry about what they are going to do to protect their steady flow of power flowing to their very larger stores of power, and I hope they get what they truly want, deep down inside their souls. I have no desire to connect with them in any way whatsoever, and so I speak to all the people who are not in that group of self sustaining wealthy people, who may be as Honest, and as Productive, as any other person.

Gather around all those who are not yet powerful enough to have more power flow to them just because they already have lots of power. Get all those less powerful people in one group, and then think about what any of those people can do to solve the growing problem of very powerful people, very few in number, managing to steal power from everyone else, and then they use that stolen power to perpetuate that flow of power from everyone else, to them.

Imagine that group of people, those who are not "independently wealthy", those in the group that my message intends to reach, imagine that, be one of those people for now, if you are not one already and sit down and listen carefully, listen as if you are going to hear something worth hearing.

Imagine, please, that my Product 1, and my Product 2 proposal is enacted into National law, and these new products, that intend to accomplish one goal, are made available world wide, and most certainly made available to you, all of you, from sea to shining sea, across America.

How does that work for you?

It does not get you something for nothing, and that should be understood right away.

Just like the independently wealthy person may have earned all the wealth that that person owns, so as to have all that power make more power, you have earned a credit rating.

If you are productive, and you consistently produce more than you consume, by any measure, that measures up as exactly that, you produce more than you consume, that is what you do, and in my opinion there is only one way to do that, and that is to do that honestly. If you get things by lying, you produce lies, and you do not consume the stuff you produce, you produce stuff that is intended to injure someone else, you produce poison that you know enough to avoid consuming, and therefore you "earn" your living by using words to commit crimes, you do no earn anything, you steal, you are not honest, you are a criminal, and no amount of spin, doctoring, apologizing, rationalizing, or change, can chance the fact that you target a victim, you produce the stuff that injures the targeted victims, and you plan on inuring the targeted victim, and then you willfully execute that premeditated act - if that is what you do. If you don't do that, then listen, please.

An honest productive person earns credit, where credit is due, which isn't easy, and again just like the independently wealthy person who gained his power honestly, you have that power of good credit earned, you represent the full measure of the good faith and credit of the American People, and if the current legal dollar has any value, whatsoever, you represent that value, you make that power to purchase that power to purchase, and you did so by working, producing, being honest, which is being fair, which is doing the right thing, and which is necessary in the work that causes higher standards of living, and lower costs of living. You earn, and that is worth something.

You are there, imagining, and you now see Product 1, and Product 2, for sale, and you now have an opportunity to see if this Joe Kelley guy knows what he is talking about, since he did get elected as President, or someone else took that ball and ran with it after Joe Kelley was shot in the head with another magic bullet, and it matters not who carries Product 1, or something similar to it, to you, there it is, and that is the point right now. See the solution offered, see if it works for you.

No more ambiguity, no more confusion, no more misunderstanding, no more waiting for the solution, it is there in front of you, you are at the web page, you are at the point of making a decision, and so are all the other honest productive Americans, in their due time, in their places, once Product 1 and Product 2 are ready for you to buy, or ready for you to decide not to buy, along with anyone else who may, or may not have an interest in those two solutions to that one problem.

What do you see at the web page, or in the bank, if you want to go to the bank, instead of shopping on-line, for Product 1 and/or Product 2?

You don't know.

You have no clue.

What is the solution to the problem?

Did you forget the problem?

Legal Criminals steal all the power produced by all The Honest Productive People and they use that stolen power to keep stealing even more. Is that not an obvious problem, even if you don't want to see it?

You are sitting at the screen and what is the solution to that problem before you? Make one up yourself, or follow along, and see.

You can buy a new home mortgage, legally, from Skype, or PayPal, or whichever bidder wins one of the franchise licenses they are awarded so as to be one of the groups of people who do that paper work, the digital paper work, to offer Product 1 and Product 2 for sale to you, and maintain each account, and do so legally, officially, fairly, equitably, on safe and secure records - in triplicate.  

You log onto a web site. You submit some information.  This isn't rocket science. This is common practice stuff. You then qualify, and you do qualify, because you are another one of the many Honest Productive People and your qualification is honest productivity, and you get a home mortgage loan, for no interest cost to you, and that is Product 1.

Do you see how that would work, on a personal level, first?

The money is not necessarily dollars, it is a transfer of your future earnings to you, because you will earn it, and you will pay all of what you borrow back to the source, which is you, since you borrow it from yourself, and the reason why PayPal, or Skype, or Google, or any of the franchises want in on this is because they will make money on selling Product 2. They are legally allowed to sell Product 1, which is the free stuff, so as to sell Product 2, which is the money maker for the franchise.

How does that work for you, in dollars and cents, first?

If you are not independently wealthy: it stand to reason, that you owe interest to someone, for some reason, and the reason may be a dubious one, and if you owe a lot of interest you owe mortgage interest, and if you owe mortgage interest you owe roughly twice the cost of one house for one house. You pay for one house. You pay an extra house worth of interest to someone, for some reason, that you probably don't understand, and who really cares why you  had to do that once, once you don't  have to do that anymore?

You are at the computer. You are offered a no interest home mortgage loan, and you have to ask yourself, punk, this is a 44 magnum, do I want to pay twice for one house, or just once?

Call me a conspiracy theorist, a monetary crank, a terrorist, or whatever your conditioned response may be, at first. Get over it. The message is the message. I'm the messenger. I'm not the message. If you want to kill the message, ask why. If you want to kill me, ask why. Why confuse the two? I am not the message.

You don't understand why you have to pay twice for one house, or you do, and I don't, and you can go ahead and be right, and how does that work for you, as you pay twice for one house.

Product 1 can also have, if I have anything to do with it, the feature of offering a no-interest loan to qualified buyers for the power to purchase a business property along with the power to purchase a home.

So, suppose you didn't get Product 1, because you think President Joe Kelley is another socialist, or capitalist, or whatever you don't want, and you know that anyone taking Product 1 will be sending America down to hell quicker, but you see Product 2, and you may think about it some.

Suppose that the web page is designed to list the number of total sales of Product 1 and Product 2 like a clock, in real time, each new loan is recorded live.

Like this clock:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Each sale of Product 1, a new home mortgage without interest, is another person moving closer to being independently wealthy by a significant measure: roughly half of each monthly mortgage payment, or roughly half of the time of the loan.

You can refuse, while the clock shows how many Honest Productive People decide to turn in their old mortgages for new ones. You, go ahead, keep sending roughly twice the cost of a home for one home to someone else, and don't even think a minute about what that money you once had buys, forget about it.

But, having refused to participate in that bad, bad, bad, something for nothing, pyramid scheme, socialistic nonsense, home mortgage loan scam, while the numbers count up, you are still at the computer, looking at a new business loan. Sure, keep paying twice what your home is worth, so as to make someone else happy, sending them an entire home's worth of your money, keep it up, on that front, but how about starting your own business?

What do you have to lose? What if you default? What if your new business venture is only marginally profitable? Can you afford to pay twice as much as the business property is worth? Wouldn't it be better to cut that expense down by exactly the amount of interest you would have to pay on a business property mortgage, paying your hard earned power to someone who may very well use that power to run you out of business, as they spend the money you sent them on things that make your job even harder, like subsidizing your competition, or who knows what else, kept secret from you?

If you default, the business property title, collateral, is sold and you don't get the profits of the sale, of course, and your credit rating suffers, of course, and then you lose your good credit rating, and then you have poor credit, and then, after default, you are thereby charged an interest rate charge as a result, when you seek more credit worthy purchasing power, because that is what you earn, because you default, so think twice, before borrowing - from yourself - you pay the cost, and no longer, if I have my way, will law be used to punish everyone for the wrongdoings of a few bad apples.

So you are sitting at the computer, watching the numbers count up, thousands of people are now buying Product 1, it is the first day after the new Independence Day, July 5th 2012, and you note how a few hundred business property loans are purchased, and this is only the Skype web page.

You load up the E-Bay web page, and you navigate to the Product 1 and Product 2 page, they have more loans counting up, and you wonder about Product 2, so you navigate to the counter that counts how many Product 2 loans are sold to date, and few are buying product 2, so you think; and what do you think?

E-Bay will lose their rear ends on this deal, look at how few loans they are selling for a measly 1 percent profit.

Is that what you think?

How much does it cost, to E-bay, to maintain a computer program on a network? Does it cost them roughly the cost of one house to process one home loan? Why would they get paid the entire cost of one house just to keep track of one home loan on a computer network? Think about what you have been led to believe, and then think twice, or think again, use your own brain this time.

You think, and think, before work, or after work, and either way your thinking is still on work, or the kids, or all that debt, or a pending vacation, but there is the web page, and it is the Product 2 web page, so you wander into the details, to see what people are buying with Product 2 loans, where the borrower has to pay 1% interest on those Product 2 loans.

Solar Panels and Electric car loans are prevalent. The 74th person buying a Product 2 loan just counted up on the counter, no name, an anonymous buyer, and the purchase is not listed. Number 75, on the E-Bay Product 2 page is, wooo hooo, look at that, it is Joe Kelley, I knew it, I knew it, that guy is a crook, I don't know why anyone voted for him, see, see, he is cashing in, and he just bought enough Solar Panels to run his house and 2 new Electric cars, a whopping total loan amount of One Hundred Thousand Dollars.

You may wonder if it is the same Joe Kelley. It may be, but if I'm on that job I'll be busy targeting criminals, and maneuvering them out of office.

Some people are buying Modular Green House Vertical Farming Units, whatever that is. Why would anyone want one of those? Where does someone get one of those?

What does the web page say about Product 2 loans?

Anything that calculates out as a net increase in power, currently, is on the list of things that can be purchased with a Product 2 loan, so long as the net increase is more than 1%.

What does that mean? How does a Solar Panel, or Electric Car, or a Modular Green House Vertical Farming Unit calculate out as a net increase in power?

What calculation is used?

Solar Panels produce enough power in the form of electricity, at current prices of electricity, to pay for another solar panel in less that half of the lifetime of the Solar Panel, it says, and it also says that that is much more than a 1% net increase in power, it says that that is roughly double the increase in power.

Buy one, it pays for itself roughly half way before it is no longer generating electricity, and it pays for a second solar panel before it is done generating electricity, based upon very rough, and very conservative calculation.

How does that work?

What does it say on the web page?

Take out the loan, no longer pay an electric bill, before the thing purchased is half worn out the loan is paid off, with interest, and the rest of the life span of the things purchased keep producing power, if the loan is structured to pay off the loan on that specific schedule.  You don't believe that Solar Panels are net producers, so you don't buy a Product 2 loan for Solar Panels. Note too, in some States, like California, a home producer can now sell extra electricity back into the grid for profit.

Who does buy Product 2 loans, you ask? The numbers count up, and they are counting up in fact.

6 months go by, and you still refuse to participate in that pyramid scheme, socialistic nonsense, or capitalistic nonsense, whatever, it is nonsense. But you look on the web page, again, so as to better know how badly that crap is ruining good ole U.S. of A.

You look at another web page, navigating the Product 2 web site, and you see that E-Bay is really trying to sell these Product 2 loans, and you see ideas.

One guy claims, and look at his face, what a moron, that he started a taxi service. He cut his home mortgage down by half of the old payment per month, he purchased an old used car lot with the no interest business loan, he purchased enough Solar Panels to run the utilities at home and at work, and he purchased 10 new Electric cars, and 20 extra batteries, and 10 trailers. He says he swaps batteries quickly to keep the taxi cabs rolling, he rents out trailers that have batteries and solar panels to people doing small construction jobs on sites that have no electricity, and he has convinced his relative to start the same business twice the distance away from the car battery range so trips to that town can be made by hauling a spare battery on a trailer.

One women claims, and that isn't her in the picture, too pretty, probably a model, that she is working on placing 10 more modules of the Modular Greenhouse Vertical Farming units on part of her big lot in the rural area outside of some town in California, the Mojave Desert it says, and with the savings on the home property mortgage, and the savings on the electric bill having purchased Solar Panels, and the income from selling the food she produces at home, and the savings of not having to buy the lower quality stuff at the store, she can stop working for someone else, at a cut wage, a part time wage, with no benefits, and be at home more often, even if she now has more work to do at home, at least her time and energy produces something of measurable value.

And how does that, after 6 months of selling Product 1, and Product 2, solve the problem?

What was the problem again?

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Anyone,

In very simple terms, it can be known, by enough people to make a difference, that The Federal Reserve Chairman has the legal power to spend an infinite number of dollars, all that one person has to do is add zeros.

In 2008 there were this many dollars:

800,000,000,000

That is a large number of dollars. 8 Hundred Billions Dollars. I may not have the right number of zeros. Ben can add 20 zeros, he has that legal license.

Ben added one zero in 2008.

1,600,000,000,000

Back to simple terms. Why? What did Ben buy? Follow the money. Whose idea was it to buy something that requires the legal increase of EIGHT HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS.

What cost that much?

If the world is managing to just barely get by with EIGHT HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS, the entire world has that many dollars to work with, why, why, why, does Ben need another EIGHT HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS to spend?

You are being lied to by everyone who has been caught up in the whole Legal Crime Business. Each time someone mentions the word mistake, think, think, think, with your own brain.

Honest Productive Americans ->->->->-> Legal Criminals

Source of POWER (to purchase) ->->->->->-> POWER over control of purchases

How can the source of POWER be made to believe that they have no POWER over what they can produce, or purchase, with their own power?

Lies.

The whole thing is a farce. Take away the farce, which is inside your brain, and see who actually has the power. Once you see, stop letting your power be stolen, then who has the power?

Numbers of powerful victims constitute a very powerful collective power, a very powerful force of stolen power, enough power to cause a whole lot of things to happen, caused by the people who steal all that power.

There is the full measure of the power, right in front of your eyes, but your brain can't manage the full measure of it. It would take months to discover all the criminals involved, what they purchased, why they purchased what they purchased, and then do something to stop that crime in progress, or, just do the simplest fix, the easiest fix, just stop giving up your own power, and do so as one.

The Honest Productive People ->->->///// - - - - Legal Criminals.

Cut the credit card. Stop paying the Legal Criminals at The NATIONAL Level, easily, effortlessly, peacefully, without resort to deceit, without resort to threats of violence, and without executing premeditated aggressive violence upon the innocent.

Invent, and then employ, and maintain, competitive legal money. Let those who use dollars have those dollars. They are destroying dollars anyway. They are planning on spending every last measure of value and leaving the victims an empty bag, anyway, so why settle for that destination on that well worn dictatorial path?

Why settle for lower standards of living and higher costs of living forced upon The Honest Productive People by the Legal Criminals through a well managed, elaborate, perpetuating, fraud?

Why not invent, employ, and maintain a competitive legal money whereby The Honest Productive People refuse to allow their power over their power to be stolen, and thereby The Honest Productive People do what they do best, which is to increase the standard of living and lower the cost of living through competitive honest productive work?

Why is there a need to decide, at all?

What magic has your brain tied up in the mire of falsehood?

The Legal Criminals are not making mistakes. How can you not see that as a fact? You are led to believe that there are no options. You are led to believe that only the authorities can fix the problems they keep trying to fix.

What kind of nonsense are you begging for, demanding, settling for, allowing, and being victim to, voluntarily?

Power over your thinking is abdicated by you as the lies you allow yourself to believe continue to work that destructive way.

It is past time to stop that nonsense inside your brain. Work today. Do your work today. Get some good sleep tonight. Wake up knowing better.

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/34770

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
— Henry Ford

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Honest Productive Americans,

Listening to Alex Jones. I heard Alex say that Ron Paul says that getting out of the dollar system would take decades.

Please see how false that claim must be if you use your own brain to figure out how easy it can be to simply stop using dollars and start using a competitive currency.

Whose economy will collapse?

A. People whose income increases as a function of banking interest.

B. People whose income increases as a function of producing more than consumption.

Can you understand how group A has a vested interest in maintaining the dollar monopoly? When they claim that there will be a collapse, who are they concerned about, and in whose interest do they make that claim?

People whose income increases as a function of banking interest have an involuntary association operating, whereby the victims must transfer the power that the victims produced to the legal criminals that run, and maintain, the one, monopoly, cartel, legal money extortion racket, and their capacity to increase their income, at the expense of the producers of power, can be destroyed by competition at home, or their capacity to increase their income, at the expense of the producers of power, can be destroyed by foreign competition.

Here Alex and Webster speak about China, Russia, and other competitors.

Those are foreign competitors.

Don't forget about two groups, keep those two groups in mind:

A. People whose income increases as a function of banking interest.

B. People whose income increases as a function of producing more than consumption.

People whose income increases as a function of monopoly banking interest at home, facing foreign competition, can have their entire store of wealth vanish overnight, if they do not transfer their power from the devalued monopoly dollar to the new World Reserve Currency Winner of the World Money Competition.

See that risk clearly.

People whose income increases as a function of monopoly banking interest cannot increase their income when a competitor wins, and worse, the power to purchase can vanish when a competitor takes over control of the monopoly.

What is missing from that picture?

Competition at home is missing from that picture.

Each Legal Crime ring in each Nation State (involuntary association) have their own, home grown, monopoly money extortion racket, so each Nation State can cause boom and bust in each Nation State, and that is only possible because each Nation State enforces a single money that must be earned by all the people who produce earnings, so as to pay taxes with that one money.

Each Nation State, run by Legal Criminals, can make money scarce, then make money abundant, then make money scarce, then make money abundant, and in doing so the power flows from those who produce power, in that Nation State, to the Legal Criminals who have exclusive control over the one money supply, in that Nation State.

Those who are increasing their income by working those systems, in those Nation States, can gain a lot of power, for doing nothing more than working the system, producing nothing themselves, but they have a very serious risk, if they do not keep their power supply denominated in the highest quality (most powerful) currency, at the highest interest (most scarce), if they fail to change from dollars at the right time, they will be left holding an empty bag, they will be too late, their power will be denominated in dollars, and no one will buy those dollar denominated accounts, not at the high price, because the price drops, because the dollar is crashed on purpose, and because very few people have the accurate schedule that informs those few people when to move and when to not move, power, from one money, to another money.

What is missing?

The narrative being told to you, including the narrative that it would take decades to convert to a better money, is a story, a lie, and if the person reporting the lie is ignorant of the lie, then it is not a willful lie, from that person, that person merely parrots the lie, unknowingly, failing to realize the truth. If the lie is repeated knowingly, think, and ask, why, and ask: In whose interest is it to repeat that lie?

If there is competition in legal money markets at home, within a Democratic Federated Republican experimental form of government, the missing thing you are not being told, if that is allowed to happen, the collapse only happens to those people who refuse to switch, today, now, to the better money.

What is better money?

Think back to the two groups:

A. People whose income increases as a function of banking interest.

B. People whose income increases as a function of producing more than consumption.

Who asks the question? Who asks which is the better money? You don't. You are not allowed to even ask.

You think I'm nuts?

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html

AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.


The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

The missing element, missing on purpose, is a competitive money; but what makes a money competitive?

A. It will be higher in quality.
B. It will be lower in cost.

You can't even ask. You haven't even asked. Ask.

Do you want a money that is worthless?

Do you want a money that is costly?

If you don't even ask, you will get what you deserve.

So, assume, know, imagine, conceive, play out, reason out, and understand what will happen, and how fast what will happen will happen, when it is legal for anyone to choose a better money.

Why would it ever take decades to make a simple choice as the choice between worthless, costly, money, and powerful, costless, money.

You can't even conceive of powerful, costless, money, therefore you won't get it.

How simple can it get?

How about this angle: There are two types of money:

A. Fraudulent (Money that is enforced by a few powerful people upon the man victims)
B. Not A

If the only money used by most of the productive people is fraudulent, there can still be a division among that fraudulent money, such as a number of competitive fraudulent money suppliers, but each one is still fraudulent.

A. Fraudulent Money
1A. The Dollar
2A. The Euro
3A. The next World Reserve Currency (no longer The Dollar Hegemony since The Dollar Hegemony is being destroyed on schedule)

If you are among the people whose earnings are made by way of deceit, by way of threats of violence, and by way of acts of horrible violence, and you have lots, and lots, and lots, of purchasing power denominated in dollars, you are in either one of two groups:

I. Those who have the inside information concerning when to get out of the dollar and when to get in the new World Reserve Currency Extortion Racket Money.
II. Those who are guessing

What is missing?

III. Honest Productive People (A.K.A. ready victims)

Without group III.: there is no power in any of those fraudulent moneys, none.

When group III., The Honest Productive People, regain control over their own money, the Legal Criminals will eat each other, or they will have to transfer their worthless money into the best competitive money power.

You, almost all of you, don't have a clue, have no understanding of money, no idea, no concept, no measure of it, other than the fraudulent, monopoly, criminal, and legal crime, money.

Why?

Why do you think your standard of living is decreasing while your cost of living increases?

You don't know.

You don't even know why you don't know, why you don't know what high quality and low cost, competitive, money is, in fact.

You don't know why your standard of living is decreasing while your cost of living increases, despite working more, despite working more efficiently, despite working more competitively, despite working with many new work saving devices, despite having less expensive power to do work for you, and despite investing much of your earnings on investments that intend to increase your standard of living, and investments that intend to lower your costs of living, despite all that, your standard of living decreases, while your cost of living increase, and you don't know why.

You don't know what high quality and low cost, competitive, money is, in fact.

Even if you did know what was, in fact, high quality, and low cost, money, you can't get it, so they say, because it would take decades to get it, so forget about it.

Obey, that is your purpose in life. There will be a collapse, as power flows to the few, from their end, it isn't a collapse, yet who keeps claiming that it is a collapse? Who claims that there is no way out, there will be a collapse? In whose interest is it to make sure that no other option is ever known by anyone?

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Listening to Nomi Prinz on the Alex Jones broadcast.

She says: "There is no way out."

In whose interest is it to invent, produce, and then maintain a path by which many people will continue transferring all power created by them to a very few people who invent, produce, and maintain that path?

The answer is self evident.

Please consider the obvious solution.

Invent, produce, and maintain a competitive path, a path that no longer follows the path that is invented, produced, and maintained by the few people who receive all the power produced by the victims who produce power.

If you have none, borrow one.

Here is one:

Product 1 and Product 2; whereby Product 1 is a legal mortgage loan at no interest charged to qualified borrowers, for home, or business, and Product 2 is a 1% interest loan used exclusively for the invention, production, and use of power producing products, whereby the product produces a net increase in power that is above a 1% increase in power. Many things can produce 100% increase in power.

You may not understand how Product 1 and Product 2 work as one, possible, invention, production, and maintained path, that is no longer the path that transfers all power from those who create power to those who steal it.

Nomi Prinz:

"There is no way out."

Really?

I hear Alex Jones ask: "What are your solutions?"

I'm on the edge of my seat.

"Will to break up the banks."

"Awareness on the part of..."

Next up is Dr. Steve Pieczenik, and although Nomi Prinz did identify a cause of the problem, which is lack of will, and which is ignorance concerning the problem, she did not invent, produce, and maintain an example of a solution, which leaves in place The Dollar Hegemony.

Why is it not abundantly clear that the thing that connects the victims to the criminals is that legal dollar unit of money, that exact denomination of crime in progress? Cut that and power no longer flows to the Legal Criminals, but, and this is important, the Legal Criminals are cutting that link, but they are creating a replacement, and the replacement will be invented, produced, and maintained so as to increase their interests, their power, their advantage, their leverage, their ability, their power, their capacity, to steal from those who produce, and meanwhile, while the connection is cut, and before the new connection is in place, The Honest Productive People will be disconnected from each other, and therefore productivity will be rendered powerless, because connectivity is an essential power required in modern productive social networks, information has to flow (accurate information, not lies, frauds, behavioral modification, response conditioning, false propaganda, brain washing), physical matter has to flow (productive matter, not bombs, viruses, missiles, troops, etc.), and if Trade (productive trade) does not flow, troops will flow, as the criminals eat each other.

So, where was the message that offered another road, a step on the other road, not a message that merely pointed out the danger?

1. Know the danger (while stepping, even running, even accelerating, even increasing the rate of acceleration, even falling, even rocketing down, the false, destructive path)
2. Invent, produce, and maintain the power of will to get off that path
3. No step onto the path traveled once the destructive path is no longer being followed.

Where is the first step?

Nomi Prinz:
"There is no way out."

If you don't invent one, there is no way out.

If you don't produce one, there is no way out.

If you don't maintain one, the way out won't last.

Product 1 and Product 2 are ways out, obvious ways out, and that way out does not resort to deceit, does not resort to threats of violence, and does not resort to acts of horrible, terrifying, aggressive, violence upon innocent victims.

Listening to Dr. Steve Pieczenik - looking for solutions.

I hear a problem:
"Terrorism"

OK, what is the solution to "Terrorism"?

Please note that under Sharia Law the act of enforcing banking interest is not tolerated, that constitutes a direct competitive force working to force interest rates down. Note that whenever you decide to explain Islamophobia.

What I gain from the message offered by Dr. Steve Pieczenik is what I call a front. If I am elected President, I will have to know where the most dangerous destructive powers are, and how those most dangerous destructive powers will be overpowered. The Honest Productive People are weakened by the Legal Criminals running the Monopoly Money Extortion Racket, and that is one Front, a power struggle, and there is an easy fix, and that battle is won, easily. The power struggle explained by Dr. Steve Pieczenik, on the other hand, on another front, involves a similar power struggle, whereby the true power of the U.S. Military is the Honest Productive People within the Military, and if anyone, anywhere, has any doubt concerning exactly what is, or is not, an Honest Productive Military Person, then, please consider reading the following book:

http://www.amazon.com/Boyd-Fighter-Pilot-Who-Changed/dp/0316881465

To win that power struggle, between the Honest Productive Military People (who produce an effective defense of Liberty) and the Legal Criminals, to win that battle: the act of rewarding criminals, and simultaneously punishing Honest Productive Military People, will be reversed. How can that be made to happen? Follow the money.

Those who have grown impossibly wealthy in the Military, obviously, they have been rewarded for doing something. The Military has be abused in the work of conducting aggressive wars for profit, so as to eliminate all competition, and the targets have obviously been competitors in the oil business, and the oil business has been obviously, measurably, backing The Dollar Hegemony, and therefore those paper trails, as those rewards have been flowing from the inventors, producers, and maintainers of the legal dollar unit of monopoly currency, will be investigated, and if found guilty of the extreme crime of conducting aggressive wars for profit, they will be charged, and they will be judged, and those who blow the whistle on them, will be promoted, and rewarded, and those who produce internal defense, blowing the whistle, will be given the power they need to employ the military as a defensive force, within The Military, as well as all foreign enemies, and as far as I am concerned, The Military has no business targeting any no Military person at home, but they must police themselves. Stop feeding The Legal Criminals in The U.S. Military, and they will eat each other, or they will have to get productive jobs outside The U.S. Military, and who will pay them to lie? You?

Begin exposing the war profiteers within the Military by promoting, and empowering the whistle blowers, and in that way The Military Power will return to an effective defensive force, instead of being abused as an effective (marginally) offensive force, for profit, of a few, at the expense of many innocent victims, foreign, and domestic.

Read the book linked, know what is an effective Military Person, and know that there are Honest Productive People in The U.S. Military, the bar has been set, the bar is reset by current Honest Productive People in the Military, and promoting them, and rewarding them, for being Honest Productive People, by giving them license, and giving them power, to police their own ranks, while, at the same time, cutting the flow of power to the Legal Criminals within The U.S. Military, both civilian and Military People alike, cutting the rewards flowing to the Legal Criminals, will win that power struggle on that Military Front, at home.

The Troops will no longer be used as cannon fodder sent on aggressive wars for profit, abused by Legal Criminals, as The Legal Criminals, inside or outside of The U.S. Military, reach for their goals of destroying all competition, where ever, and when ever competition arises - such as oil competition, and banking competition. That power flow will be stopped, in that way, and it may not be as easy as stopping the money fraud business, but having one goal accomplished, on one front, will help reverse the power flowing the wrong way on the other front. The U.S. Military most certainly does need our help, and without our help they cannot defend us. I think that it is vitally important to understand the full measure of a Military Force, what it is, why it is necessary, and what can happen when it is corrupted by Legal Criminals; how it can be a turned from a defensive force to an aggressive force, how it can become a force that no longer defends Liberty, how it can become a force that enforces Legal Crime. If anyone, anywhere, needs some measurable good news, it seems to me, the fact that The U.S. Military is not yet overtly employed in the work of destroying competition (to the Legal Criminals) at home - such as the Whiskey Rebellion, Civil War, Kent State, or the Waco examples - is a source of good news, when The U.S. Military does get the order to attack Honest Productive People at home, all is lost, unless that order is disobeyed.  

Alex has moved the message to The Kennedy Assassination.

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Honest Productive Americans,

I had to go and do some work, so I did not edit my last entry on the subject of sides.

Who is a victim?

Who is a legal criminal?

Who is completely disconnected from either victims or legal criminals?

The full measure of the connection between the legal criminals and the victims may not be as obvious as the National Debt Clock, and the actual names, addresses, and phone numbers of the legal criminals many not all be well recorded in the paper work, and digital records, such as those records published as Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports, and therefore it may be very difficult to know the full measure of the connection between the legal criminals and the victims, unless there is an another angle by which the person who wants to know the full measure of that connection can invent, and then employ, so as to see the full measure of the connection between the legal criminals and the victims, from that new angle of view.

I have invented such a method, and you can use my method, or you can use any other method invented by anyone else, or you can ignore the entire question, so long as you can still ignore it, and your life time may run out before you can no longer afford to ignore that connection between the victims and the legal criminals, so it matters not to you, in that respect, since you will always be able to afford not to know the facts concerning the full measure of the connection between the victims and the legal criminals.

My invention, or anyone else's invention, produces an obvious path that can be traveled by anyone who decides to get off the victim connection to the legal criminals path, and from that point, once on that new path, the full measure of the connection between the victims and the legal criminals can be seen, as if the person is now a foreign observer, a disinterested third party, analogous to an explorer finding a new civilization whereby the explorer begins to view the strange and never before seen relationships that occur in this new, foreign, civilization, as the explorer views the new civilization from a different viewpoint, a viewpoint that isn't from within the newly discovered civilization.

In other words: the full measure of the victim connection to the legal criminals is viewable from a victims viewpoint, and the same connection is viewable from a legal criminals viewpoint, and then, if one exists, the connection can be seen from a disconnected viewpoint, but only if the optional viewpoint is exactly disconnected, not just imagined, not just a fantasy, the viewpoint can be made real, as the viewpoint does begin to work from a new place, whereby the connection to the victims is no longer valid, and once the connection to the legal criminals is no longer valid, and from that new place the viewer views the distant connection. The act of viewing, from the separate place, constitutes a connection. The capacity to disconnect, completely, is understandable in analogy, and by that use of your mind you can begin to build that place where you can go so as to disconnect from that very destructive social network.

You won't know the full measure of the destructive power of the connection between victims and legal criminals until such time as you are disconnected from it, completely, and then, you connect to it again, from a safe place, and from that safe place your only connection to the victim and legal criminal connection is analogous to a person reading a book, or a person listening to a radio broadcast, or a person viewing a documentary, and the subject of the book, or radio broadcast, or documentary is another world, another time, another universe, something that has nothing to do with your world, nothing to do with your time, and something that only exists in your universe as that book, or that radio broadcast, or that documentary, since you are completely disconnected from that place, that time, in all forms other than that one portal of perception.

See it, and be warned, do not go there, that is a road to ultimate doom.

If you are on it, if you are on that road to ultimate doom, you can't see it, you don't know the full measure of it, because, obviously, if you did know the truth, if you did know the full measure of it, your next thought, and then your next action, would be to get off that path immediately.

How do you get off that path, without a direction off that path, what would be the first thought, and the first step, off that path if you did somehow manage to realize the full measure of the impending doom on that path?

Invent a step whereby you step off that path and your step steps onto a path that completely disconnects from that connection between victims and legal criminals.

If you can't invent one yet, look for inventions invented by other people who have managed to disconnect from that legal criminal to victim connection, which is a road leading to ultimate doom.

I offer my own invention, in Product 1 and Product 2. My invention is derived from the following invention:

http://tmh.floonet.net/pdf/jwarren.pdf

There is a rich, but well censored, history behind that invention, as it was used, and as it succeeded during it's use. That invention is connected to the following modern version:

http://www.ithacahours.org/

There are similar inventions in the following connections:

http://utopianist.com/2011/01/stimulus-writ-small-tiny-california-town-prints-its-own-currency/

http://www.umungu.com/scrip.htm

All of those inventions connect you to a step off the connection between the victims and the legal criminals, and they do so measurably, but all of those inventions constitute a cost to you, a road block as you travel down your path, and as you encounter those road blocks you are forced to deal with them, and you are inspired to discard them, to avoid them, to step around them, to ignore them, to rush past them, so to return quickly back to your path.

If you are using dollars you are connected to the legal criminals who are connected to the victims, and you are in that social network, and you are on that path, and that path is designed to proceed to a specific goal, and that specific goal is designed to move power from the honest productive people who produced economic power, and that power is designed to be moved to the legal criminals, and there are warnings in history similar to this warning I am offering to you right now.

Invent, produce, and maintain a path that is no longer on that legal crime path.

That is my warning to you.

Here is a historical record of a similar warning, as I try desperately to balance on the shoulders of giants:

http://freethinker.typepad.com/the_free_thinker/2007/09/give-unto-caesa.html

"Give Unto Caesar What is Caesar's and Unto God What is God's"

I took time to read some of the text in that link. You may want a sound bite. My version of a sound bit is to say that either an association will be voluntary, equitable, and mutually beneficial, having no employment of deceit, no employment of threats of violence, and no employment of premeditated targeting of innocent victims, or, the association will be criminal, by that specific measure.

There is no third option. Either an association will be voluntary or it will be involuntary, and the criminals want you to believe otherwise, they want you to believe that there is no such discrimination, you have to hire an authority to provide the full measure of an association, that may, or may not be involuntary, or voluntary, once they let you know if it is, or is not voluntary, or involuntary. You can use your own brain, and you can know, is the association voluntary, or is it "an offer that can't be refused"?

Jesus, in that statement about "give unto Caesar What is Caesar's", to me, amounts to a warning, and the warning is exactly the same warning I'm telling you right now. If you connect to the connection between victims and legal criminals, you will be victim or criminal, so don't do it, do not connect, do not accept the connection, even if the connection is a gold coin.

This is not as complicated as it seems. Think again in terms of the actual factual measure of the connection that connects the victims to the legal criminals, harken back to the actual measure of that connection that is produced by the legal criminals, the modern day Caesars, look at it; look at, for example, The National Debt Clock.

The connection is denominated in dollars.

The connection is a connection made by legal criminals as they invent, produced, and maintain the connection with dollars. That is the modern day connection. Dollars connect the victims to the legal criminals. If you accept dollars, you accept the connection. If you do not accept dollars, if you "give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's", you can disconnect, and see that that advice by Jesus is the same advice I am offering: don't participate, the gold coin belonging to the modern day Caesars moves near you, you refuse to accept it, pull away, think of it as if you are superman and it is kryptonite, no thanks, give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, is the same thing as saying "If they want to be victims and legal criminals: let them, what does that have to do with me?"

You can't.

You can't disconnect from the dollar, you can't disconnect from the victims and the legal criminals, doing so will amount to either starvation or being gang raped in prison.

That is a false set of choices. A false set of choices is a destructive, powerless, situation that is missing a vital option. A false set of choices is ignorance of, an inability to see, a higher quality and lower cost choice. A false set of choices amounts to, measures up as, blind obedience to falsehood.

It is past time to declare war on falsehood. Opt out.

What is needed is an obvious alternative path.

A. Starve for lack of employment, lack of pay, lack of profit, lack of production, lack of economic power, lack of money, as you refuse to be part of the legal crime business, as you refuse to be connected to the victims and the legal criminals, as you refuse to have anything to do with dollars, you realize that dollars connect you, as a victim, or as an accessory to crime, to the legal criminals who produce dollars, the modern day Caesars. Starvation is not a good choice, but think about where you are going on this path while you stay on this path.

B. Suffer punishment for your efforts to disconnect from the legal criminals and their victims since taxes must be paid in dollars, and failure to have dollars to pay taxes will cause the modern day Caesars to send tax collectors who will take the debt from your hide, one way or another, you will be crucified for doing the right, moral, thing. Punishment is not a good choice, but think about where you are going on this path that you are on, again.

C. Since you can't beat them, you have to join them, so use the dollar as a means by which you can be less of a victim, and you can be more of a criminal, your account grows at the expense of the victims, instead of your dollar denominated account reaching never before known measures of your debt, your victimization, at the hands of the modern day Caesars. This is your only option, among the false choices, and you take it, and if you can follow all the rules, and if you can get some of the inside information, and if you are very lucky, or very good (at victimizing other people), you can increase your account, at the expense of those who can't, for as long as you can, while this is your only option, kill or be killed, eat them, before they eat you, resort to deceit, resort to threats of violence, and resort to aggressive violence upon targeted innocent victims, as needed, on this path, the only path, so far.  

If you cant see a better option, does that mean that no such thing exists?

If you don't admit to being on the Long Black Train heading to Doom Day, does that mean that you are not on that train?

If someone offers one, or even many, alternative paths, will you rush to avoid knowing it, and at that point in time and place, during your life time, you will be your own judge, and you will sentence yourself to whatever costs you will bear as a result of that choice, and no amount of belief, otherwise, will change that fact.

Once you are offered an alternative, and you refuse it, you are no longer innocent, you are either a willing, ready, volunteer for victimization, or you are a willful, premeditated, fellow legal criminal, and that is the legacy of your lifetime from then on.

If you say that the invention I offer is not workable, yet you have no alternative, you have no competitive, higher quality, and lower cost invention of your own, you are choosing nothing instead of something that you claim to be unworkable. You choose no alternative path, having none, and refusing one that is offered to you.

You choose to remain connected to the victims and the legal criminals, you do so willfully, your actions are premeditated, you judge yourself, by your actions, you define yourself as a legal criminal, you cannot be a victim, you decide to be injured if you are injured, and you decide to employ legal crime as your vocation. You live by the aggressive, criminal, sword, and even if you say that you do deserve not to die by the same criminal, aggressive sword, when the day arrives, the moment arrives, you will be there, on that day, at that moment, because you choose to go down that path.

When you reap what you sow, that is what you have decided to do, from here on. May God have mercy upon your soul, your fellow legal criminals won't.

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Honest Productive Americans,

The tipping point spoken of by Alex Jones is one perspective, and many people are learning to share that perspective, and many people have already arrived at that one perspective some time ago.

Please see five things:

Do you know the meaning of the word meme?

1.
Meme

http://thedailymeme.com/what-is-a-meme/

“a unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation,”

2.
The 100th Monkey.

http://www.wowzone.com/monkey.htm

Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind.

3.
Jelly Bean Jar Test

http://www.randomhouse.com/features/wisdomofcrowds/excerpt.html

A classic demonstration of group intelligence is the jelly-beans-in-the-jar experiment, in which invariably the group's estimate is superior to the vast majority of the individual guesses. When finance professor Jack Treynor ran the experiment in his class with a jar that held 850 beans, the group estimate was 871. Only one of the fifty-six people in the class made a better guess.

4.
Assassination Politics

http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/jimbellap.htm

A few months ago, I had a truly and quite literally "revolutionary" idea, and I jokingly called it "Assassination Politics": I speculated on the question of whether an organization could be set up to legally announce that it would be awarding a cash prize to somebody who correctly "predicted" the death of one of a list of violators of rights, usually either government employees, officeholders, or appointees. It could ask for anonymous contributions from the public, and individuals would be able send those contributions using digital cash.

5.
Mob Rule aka Democracy

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Proceedings-Debates-Constitutional-Convention/dp/1410203638

The members of the convention from the States, came there under different powers; the greatest number, I believe, under powers nearly the same as those of the delegates of this State. Some came to the convention under the former appointment, authorizing the meeting of delegates merely to regulate trade. Those of the Delaware were expressly instructed to agree to no system, which should take away from the States that equality of suffrage secured by the original articles of confederation. Before I arrived, a number of rules had been adopted to regulate the proceedings of the convention, by one of which was to affect the whole Union. By another, the doors were to be shut, and the whole proceedings were to be kept secret; and so far did this rule extend, that we were thereby prevented from corresponding with gentlemen in the different States upon the subjects under our discussion; a circumstance, Sir, which, I confess, I greatly regretted. I had no idea, that all the wisdom, integrity, and virtue of this State, of of the others, were centered in the convention. I wished to have corresponded freely and confidentially with eminent political characters in my own and other States; not implicitly to be dictated to by them, but to give their sentiments due weight and consideration. So extremely solicitous were they, that their proceedings should not transpire, that the members were prohibited even from taking copies of resolutions, on which the convention were deliberating, or extracts of any kind from the journals, without formally moving for, and obtaining permission, by vote of the convention for that purpose.
 
But, Sir, it was to no purpose that the futility of their objections were shown, when driven from the pretense, that the equality of suffrage had been originally agreed to on principles of expediency and necessity; the representatives of the large States persisting in a declaration, that they would never agree to admit the smaller States to an equality of suffrage. In answer to this, they were informed, and informed in terms that most strong, and energetic that could possibly be used, that we never would agree to a system giving them the undue influence and superiority they proposed. That we would risk every possible consequence. That from anarchy and confusion, order might arise. That slavery was the worst that could ensue, and we considered the system proposed to be the most complete, most abject system of slavery that the wit of man ever devised, under pretense of forming a government for free States. That we never would submit tamely and servilely, to a present certain evil, in dread of a future, which might be imaginary; that we were sensible the eyes of our country and the world were upon us. That we would not labor under the imputation of being unwilling to form a strong and energetic federal government; but we would publish the system which we approved, and also that which we opposed, and leave it to our country, and the world at large, to judge between us, who best understood the rights of free men and free States,ans who best advocated them; and to the same tribunal we could submit, who ought to be answerable for all the consequences, which might arise to the Union from the convention breaking up, without proposing any system to their constituents. During this debate we were threatened, that if we did not agree to the system propose, we never should have an opportunity of meeting in convention to deliberate on another, and this was frequently urged. In answer, we called upon them to show what was to prevent it, and from what quarter was our danger to proceed; was it from a foreign enemy? Our distance from Europe, and the political situation of that country, left us but little to fear. Was there any ambitious State or States, who, in violation of every sacred obligation, was preparing to enslave the other States, and raise itself to consequence on the ruin of the others? Or was there any such ambitious individual? We did not apprehend it to be the case; but suppose it to be true, it rendered it the more necessary, that we should sacredly guard against a system, which might enable all those ambitious views to be carried into effect, even under the sanction of the constitution and government. In fine, Sir, all those threats were treated with contempt, and they were told, that we apprehended but one reason to prevent the States meeting again in convention; that, when they discovered the part this convention had acted, and how much its members were abusing the trust reposed in them, the States would never trust another convention.

The last link intends to point the reader to a fraud that occurred some time ago, and the idea here is to ask for sound judgement. Do facts require your permission to exist? Does it matter how many people know the facts? How few are needed to cause a fraud to be effective?

At what point are the victims of fraud clued in, and once that point is reached can it be measurably known that the fraud no longer works?

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Honest Productive Americans,

Bait and switch is at play when a person claims that Gold is Honest money, and I can explain.

Money has no capacity to be honest. Money has no capacity to lie. Money can be an accurate account. Money can be a fraudulent account.

The Bait is money.

The Switch is the actual people who invent, produce, and then maintain the money.

See?

Gold is honest money.

Ok, I get the bait, thanks, let's, by all means, use gold as money. Let US do that, thank you very much, I really like Honest money.

"We" used gold, for awhile, because "it" is honest money.

What happens if the producers of the legal gold money supply remove as much of the supply of gold from circulation because they can, because they have the power to do so, and suppose you are keen, and you find out what they are doing, while they are doing it, instead of you finding out too late?

Did gold magically, randomly, get up and walk itself out of circulation and do so secretively, quietly, and so as not to alert everyone all at once?

Did the producers of gold tell everyone in advance, voluntarily, announcing by all means within their power to do so, no matter the cost of doing so, warning everyone, well in advance, of their honest plan to honestly remove most of the honest gold out of circulation, and did those honest Gold Bugs explain honestly why they would hatch that plan to remove as much of the one and only legal currency they can remove out of circulation, warning everyone, before executing that plan?

The answer is no, because those types of plans don't work if everyone knows about them, they work best if very few people know about them, in advance, so as to clue the insiders in on when to sell at the top price and when to buy at the bottom price as the manipulations of supply cause booms and busts, on purpose, on schedule, for profit, at the expense of the victims, or just for fun.

Gold can't be honest. Gold can't be dishonest. People who willfully plan on producing deception are dishonest as they define dishonesty, by those decision, with those plans to produce deception and while they execute those plans to follow through with deception upon their targeted victims.

Bait: Gold

Switch: People manipulating gold once gold is the only legal money.

Two groups:

A. Those who favor competition as a force that will or will not allow gold to become the highest quality money at the lowest cost.

B. Those who favor a legally enforced single money, gold or anything, so long as it is the only money allowed by law.

Same two groups:

A. Those in favor of voluntary association, and therefore in favor of defense against involuntary association - without which there is more involuntary association by default.

B. Those in favor of involuntary association, typically claiming, by willful deceit, or by willful ignorance, or just following the herd, that involuntary associations are necessary, because without involuntary associations forced on us by us there would be involuntary associations forced on us by them.

On to quotes from the article:

It’s easy to be pessimistic on a day like today. Forty years ago on this very day, Richard Nixon put a bullet into George Washington’s face, cancelling the direct convertibility of dollars into gold and once and for all ending any hope of an honest money system.

Systems cannot be honest. I don't know who can claim to own the patent on that invention, but clearly this author is parroting it, or reinventing it, and it is false.

A system, or a gun, or a pointed stick, or a lie, can't be honest. People in command of the power to decide can decide to communicate known facts or decide an opposite path, to fail to communicate know facts, or to communicate known falsehoods, and people are, by that power to decide, and by those decisions, either honest, in each case, or dishonest in each case.

A lie, or a choice to be dishonest, can be defensive.

Honest Criminal calling on the phone:

"Hi, I'm stopping by later and when I get there you had better be ready for me, get all your young women ready for me to rape, have them bathed, naked, and ready, and get all the money you have ready for me to steal, and don't even think about defending yourself with any weapons of any kind, do not even question my schedule, I will be there at 9 o'clock, you will have everything ready for me then."

Dishonest Targeted Criminal;

"Yes sir, everything will be ready as you command, on time."

Lies can be as powerful for the intended victims as they are for the criminals, so even lies are not necessarily immoral, or bad, just as guns, or pointed sticks, or Louisville Sluggers, are not necessarily bad, by default, where the thing is bad, which is false, as the thing is inert, the thing is a tool, the thing is separate from the human being who uses the thing willfully. The thing has no will. Why would someone ever willfully confused the thing with the person using the thing?

You may have to guess, few people confess. Actions confess motive, in cases where the person planning and executing the act are not willing to confess their true motives.

It’s easy to be pessimistic on a day like today. Forty years ago on this very day, Richard Nixon put a bullet into George Washington’s face, cancelling the direct convertibility of dollars into gold and once and for all ending any hope of an honest money system.

Money systems cannot be honest. Money systems can be accurate. Why ask for something that can't exist, when you can invent, produce, and maintain something that can exist?

Why go down a false path, when a true path is much less costly, and a much higher quality path?

Back to the article.

Over the past four decades, the dollar has fallen 98% against the price of gold. Politicians and central bankers pretend that inflation is not a concern, but the rising cost of living around the world has prompted people to such extremes that they’re willing to light themselves on fire to protest government bungling.

In simple terms:

Inflation is a measure of the failure to use the power that is available in the work that results in more power being produced. Even a shrinking supply of money can't keep up with an even faster reduction in the supply of things to trade for money. Inflation can occur while the money supply is being cut in half, if the supply of things to trade for money are reduced by 90%.

Money = 1000 today while things to trade for money = 1000 today.

1 thing costs 1 dollar today.

Money = 500 tomorrow (the supply of money is cut in half overnight) while things to trade for money = 100 tomorrow (reduced by 90%, war for example).

1 thing costs 5 dollars tomorrow.  

In one word: Malinvestment

Who measures the value of an investment, and by what standard is that value measured?

Group A = investment is accomplished by way of destruction, so long as power continues to flow to Group A from Group B
Group B = investment is accomplished by using available power in the work necessary to increase available power - which includes the cost of avoiding Group A

Group A may appraise the use of available power in the work of destroying things, like destroying all competition where ever, and when ever, competition arises, as a solid investment, and the result of that use of that power is less total power, while, not by coincidence, the lower total quantity of power is transferred to Group A the Legal Criminals, from Group B the Honest Productive People.

Total power declines, but power still transfers from those who make it to those who steal it, and the rate of transfer increases, and the rate of increase of transfer increases, while Group A uses power to destroy things, such as using power stolen to destroy all competition, and by employing a particularly effective deception whereby Group B sends power to Group A in the effort to disconnect Group B from Group A, and that power is then used to accomplish the opposite goal - which is not news.

Not news:
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm
Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

Note the words in the Article linked at the top of the page - please:
Over the past four decades, the dollar has fallen 98% against the price of gold. Politicians and central bankers pretend that inflation is not a concern, but the rising cost of living around the world has prompted people to such extremes that they’re willing to light themselves on fire to protest government bungling.

"bungling"

That is more falsehood. Why travel down a false path, that is very costly, and very low quality, when a true path is much higher in quality, and much lower in cost?

The ignorant, and stupid, victims, are driven down the false path. The legal criminals are not on that path. They are on the true path, they are on the legal crime path, but they are not "bungling", they are using the power they steal to gain more power, and to do so they have to use the power they steal to destroy things, resulting in a net loss of power, and who pays the bills?

Who cashes the checks, as the steadily shrinking supplies of power are transferred to the legal criminals, as they tell the victims that "we are broke"?

Who pays the bills?

Who is the stupid one?

Blame me, if it works for you, and I'll know your true color. Either you desire to be a victim too, or you somehow manage to be one of the legal criminals, and I won't hold my breath for a confession, blaming me is good enough of a confession.

Note the words:

"government bungling"

A government, or a system, or money, or a gun, or a pointed stick, can't bungle. Why would anyone confuse the thing with the person using the thing? What would be the point of willfully traveling down a false path?

Whose idea is it to race to the bottom, while it is much easier to go the other way?

Back to the article:

I’m eager to invest.

I don't know who is reading this article as I do, and what goes on in their minds. In my mind I see the measure of a legally enforced scarcity of legal money competition; whereupon a select few powerful people gain the legal license to transfer power from producers of power and that power is then transferred to a select few who produce monetary products, and that causes one competitor to be more powerful than another competitor by that exact measure, at least that exact measure.

Monetary competitor A, by that exact measure, pays "taxes", and those "taxes" are then sent to monetary competitor B, and in so doing: monetary competitor B gains power, at the expense of, monetary competitor A.

Once that happens a competitor has to ask permission to compete, failing to gain license, by asking permission, is exclusion from the club of competitors, you are written off, you can't compete, and the price charged to the competitor seeking admission into the club, is the tax, the price of admission, the tax is then transferred to the competition, by way of subsidy, so that exact transfer of power causes the competitor seeking admission to start at a disadvantage, and that subsidy causes the established competitors to gain advantage by that exact measure.

Why does a new competitor have to seek "investment capital", why can't a new competitor print their own start up capital, and the answer is, they can, and they do, and some of those people using that business model are able to bypass the "price of admission" by that method, but they have to specialize in that business, in addition to whatever other specialty they offer in competition.

Examples:

One of our students, Philipe from Brazil, came up with a great idea to address a real need in his home country: elderly care. Brazil’s rapidly growing middle class now has the disposable income to provide better in-home care to its elderly parents, and he devised an elegant solution that is just screaming to be deployed. I’m eager to invest.

A person seeks to begin working as a competitor in the business of elderly care, which is a specialty, someone who can specialize in providing higher quality, and lower cost, care for the elderly, and as such, the customers will choose his higher quality care, at a lower cost, over someone who offers lower quality, and higher cost, elderly care.

Why can't that person start offering a competitive specialty right away?

That person specializes in elderly care, and that person does not specialize in inventing, producing, and maintaining a competitive legal monetary product.

So that person, failing to specialize in two things simultaneously, seeks to pay for someone who does specialize in inventing, producing, and maintaining a competitive legal monetary product.

What are the chances that the legal monetary product business is a working monopoly?

What is the price of admission, what is the price of a license, who pays whom to begin dealing in the legal money business? Who is most certainly not allowed to even begin inventing, producing, and maintaining legal money?

The person specializing in elderly care can't start his business without the means to pay the bills that must be paid before the customers start paying for the higher quality and lower cost elderly care, because the person specializing in elderly care does not invent, produce, and maintain his own legal money.

If the person specializing in elderly care did specialize in inventing, producing, and maintaining his own legal money too, having two specialties, then there would be no need to pay for the legal money services offered by lower quality, and higher cost, competition, in the legal money supply business.

How much does it cost a customer who is unable, or unlicensed, to invent, produce, and maintain their own legal money, as that customer buys a legal money service from the monopoly legal money power?

A.
Special Interest payments transferred from the person starting an Elderly Care service to the monopoly legal money service provider.

B.
No alternative encouraged by those operating the law power, or the "free market" proponents, and no application of inventive use of common sense, reason, logic, or moral conscience, driving the person to cut out the costly middle man because all such competitive thinking is willfully censored by those who perpetuate the legal money monopoly fraud.

I don't know what your thoughts are, but I know mine. In that example the practice of printing Elderly Care dollars, with a simple, freeware, open source computer program, could be a competitive, inventive, method of producing, and maintaining the start up capital needed to start that competitive business, and as such the other legal monetary producers will be forced to offer their services at a lower cost, or they go out of business.

Example 2:

Another student, Julian from New Zealand, came up with a creative solution to personal security challenges that plague both travelers and worried parents of small children. His idea makes a twist on GPS tracking, and if he takes the necessary steps to build this business, I’m convinced it could be worth $20 million to a big satellite company in a few years.

If the idea sells itself, investors want a piece of the action, so what constitutes the demarcation line between an investor that has the power to invest and an investor that does not have enough power to invest? In this case consider the word choices used by the author to communicate a powerful investor.

A.
Big Satellite Company ($20 million is the measure of big)

B.
Travelers

C.
Worried parents

What is the power that causes A to be more powerful, as an investor, than B and C? What causes the demand for a middle man between the traders B, C, and the producer of something that sells itself well enough to attract "investors"? B and C invest in the product by buying it. The product traded to B and C is an investment in that which is traded by B and C. Why is there a need for an additional investor, what does the additional investor sell: interest in the business? What is this "interest" in that business?

The seller of the idea, product, or service can sell directly to the customers, and therefore the customers are the only investors needed, and the price is determined by the exclusive arrangements between the producer of the idea and the consumers of the idea, and in so doing the producer of the idea buys whatever the consumers of the idea are selling, which can be anything, gold, silver, tickets for Elderly Care Service, dollars, cooper, oil barrels full of oil, watts of electricity, anything. Everything can be converted to everything else, accurately, and by mutual agreement, with very little added cost, due to modern technology.

How much of what you are offering is worth what I am offering? For lack of employment of an easy to maintain conversion, a legal money monopoly is invented and fed every scrap of excess power while it devours everything in sight?

Why is A in a position to "invest", as a middle man, between those who trade GPS tracking for whatever is being sold by those who get GPS tracking during that mutually beneficial, equitable, exchange?

Why is A raised to a position above B, C, or the potential seller of GPS tracking?

Who elected the employers of the money monopoly power dictators for life?

Why does the potential seller of GPS tracking have to pay someone else to start a business selling products that will sell themselves, since the product is a high demand product or service?

That is what I think. I don't know what you think.

Example 3:

Another student, Kim from Germany, recognized that the growing appeal of precious metals in the broader consumer market warrants a higher level of quality in portfolio tracking services. His team came up with some extremely clever ideas for a precious metals portfolio app, and given where we are in the commodity’s growth phase, the idea has significant merit.

That reminds me of Pay Pal Wars. I can link you to the book, you can read it too.

http://www.amazon.com/PayPal-Wars-Battles-Media-Planet/dp/0974670103

Two of the people involved in Pay Pal are Elon Musk, and Peter Theil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel

There are competitors in the legal money markets. The idea that one legal money, such as The Dollar Hegemony, is powerful, is the source of their power, the idea is the source of power, and it is false. Their source of power is deception.

That should tell you something.

Something like this:

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
Henry Ford


Example 4.

Government is what creates the problems to begin with; they are not the solution. We are the solution. Nurturing those skills to become self-reliant and create value in the world, or investing in others’ capabilities to do so, is a much more productive way to fight.

When "government" is the word used to describe Legal Crime, or "involuntary association", it can then be known that that is the definition of "government", in that context.

Government:
The willful enslavement of the many, by the few, into an involuntary association.

The few invent, produce, and maintain that definition of government, as they carry out their willful plans, as they exploit their targeted victims, and in so doing, government is defined in that exclusive way.

When that is the only definition of government, the exclusive definition of government, without any higher quality, and lower cost defining government, of any kind, it can be known, then, that there is a monopoly government power - and it can be known, exactly in that way, that there is no competitive government whatsoever.

Is that true? Is that an accurate perspective? Is there only one government power, and is the only government power defined as an enforced, involuntary, association between the enforcers and those who are targeted for enforcement?

That is what I think about that link.

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Honest Productive Americans,

In this work that I choose to do, there are methods by which the focus of attention moves into finer, closer, microscopic, narrow angle of view, in ways similar to an old term "in fine" or in ways similar to a new term "micro" inspection, to view, to see, to perceive, and to decipher, to discriminate, to reason, to acknowledge, to understand, and to know, more accurately, a specific thing, instead of a general thing.

Another way to convey the scale, of micro to macro, or from fine to course, from ambiguity to accuracy, is to say that the way of viewing is from a principled, general, viewpoint on one end, and then moving down to a interest, specific, viewpoint.

Course <-> Fine

Macro <-> Micro

General <-> Specific

Principle <-> Interest

Gather information <-> Understand information

Vital Questions <-> Accurate Answers

Observe, Orient, Decide, Act



Stepping back from a recent effort to move from principle to interest, or from observing to orientation, or from course to fine, I see a need now to return back to a wide angle of view.

My decisions and actions are principally geared toward writing, or communicating, and the return to observing mode, is a decision to regain control over the message being communicated.

Let know one who has been on this road of principled command of perception, seeking a more accurate viewpoint, be surprise when (or God Help us "if") a new polarizing event occurs in the near future.

What do I mean, you may say, you may ask, as all that text above appears to confuse a wandering soul, someone who is not polarized in any direction currently, someone who is a ship without a rudder, someone who is led to slaughter, but not yet running into the meat grinder as they are told?

I mean, specifically, that another 911 is pending, on the books, without question, as was 911 before it happened, and those of us who are already polarized in such a way as to know the reasons for 911, those of us who understand why 911 was planned, it was not an accident, are those of us who were not surprised by 911 while it happened.

I remember the moment I began to hear the false advertizing as the false news media began to brainwash the victims with the false story that they had already written so as to polarize the victims on a path of their design, whereby power then accelerates the rate of acceleration  from the victims to the Legal Criminals.

When the natives (victims) grow restless, directionless, they may grow less susceptible to control by the Legal Criminals.

When the natives are polarized and forced by deception, threats of violence, and violent injury, for too long, they may grow less susceptible to control by the Legal Criminals.

Therefore the Legal Criminals are bound by those extremes, and they cannot allow the victims to move to far to either extreme, and knowing this, from a wide angle of view, you can see the current situation, right now, from this wider angle of view, and you can know too, that a polarizing event is soon to be employed by the Legal Criminals, and if they fail to cause one to happen, soon, we win.

You may not be on the edge of your seat. Why not?

Timing is everything.

Are you lost?

Many people are not lost. Many people on both sides are not, at all, lost. You don't know which side you are on?

You don't even know that there are two sides? You are in the middle of the two sides if you do not know that there are two sides. If you use dollars, you are on one or the other side.

Two sides:

Honest Productive Americans (victims) ->->->->-> Legal Criminals

Those who know the fuller measure of the current situation know that a polarizing event is inevitable, it has been building since 911, there is now static in the air, the event will be on the scale with 911, if it is caused by the Legal Criminals, and they win.

If Ron Paul is elected president of U.S.A. Inc. (LLC) we win.

Now you have a scale of time.

911 = September 11, 2001

New, pending, Polarizing Event that must be invented,  produced, executed, and maintained by the Legal Criminals

We win on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:00 pm [-05:00]

http://www.7is7.com/otto/countdsamp.html

Call that a window of opportunity.

You are not on the edge of your seat?

You don't know what is at stake?

You have no concept, no scale, no measure of the power struggle?

Legal Criminals can torture with impunity.

You can't.

Legal Criminals can serial kill millions of innocent people, including babies, toddlers, pregnant mothers, honest hard working mothers and fathers, wise old men and women, genius examples of the best that humanity has yet to produce, and if you kill someone, even in self-defense, you can be punished, while Legal Criminals mass murder with impunity.

Legal Criminals can double the supply of legal dollars at will, or cut the supply of purchasing power in half, at will, with impunity, while you have to work two jobs just to pay the bills that slow down the rate of decline in your standard of living.

What do you think will be on the minds of the Legal Criminals when they see their power over you deteriorating in measurable ways, such as an upstart Congressman gaining enough currency, enough popular support, to command that wave of power, like a tsunami, heading right, straight, at the Legal Crime Power?

At least, at the very least, the Legal Criminals fear the loss of their gravy train. If they know history they know that heads have rolled for less, at  the threshold of the guillotine.

Some of the torture victims have an axe to grind. Some of the surviving members of the families who have been mass murdered are looking for vengeance, and the Legal Criminals know that the Legal Criminals train their victims to confuse vengeance with justice.

While the Legal Criminals laugh all the way to their fraudulent banks they can no longer do so with absolute confidence, unless their deceit has infected their own power of accurate discernment, and their smiles, all the way to their fraudulent banks, must be slightly less happy for them, as the tsunami approaches.

I'm not speaking about a tsunami that is aiming at Islamic Finance, or Muslims, or Arabs, or the terrorists. I am speaking about the tsunami that is heading right, straight, at the Legal Criminals, and you don't know it, unless that wave is now polarizing you too.

Those who are polarized, on that wave, that tsunami that is heading right, straight, at the Legal Criminals, is heading for Liberty, and the Legal Criminals volunteer to get in front of it.

Do you see that?

Do you understand the dynamics? Can my words paint the picture for you?

Those who are polarized toward Liberty are moving in the opposite direction of victimization. See it?

Suppose the power of victimization is measurable as an earthquake under the ocean. The tectonic plates grind the victims under intense pressure until the victims are no longer able to bear that intense load of pressure, and the power of victimization explodes and becomes such an obvious hell on earth that the power to escape that horror, and that terror becomes a tidal wave, a tsunami of wide awake former victims, as the entire population of victims gather up their number into a single force, a single wave of former victims escaping the bonds of victimization.

The tsunami of former victims expand in a wave away from the epicenter of the power that was once destroying their number.

What do you think the Legal Criminals will do to regain their power?

They have to figure out a way to channel that release of all that power so as to regain control over all those former victims, or failing to do so, their victims will reach liberty, and once liberated they will know the full measure of liberty, having just escaped from abject servitude, they will know honest productivity, and the rewards of higher standards of living, and lower costs of living, having just escaped from the race to the bottom of hell, they will know better than to believe in the lies produced by the Legal Criminals, and the only reason to look back in the direction of Legal Crime will be to know not to ever allow it to happen again.

The Legal Criminals have to get in front of the tsunami with a powerful invention, an they have to produce that power that will divert the power of that tsunami, whereby that tsunami is then no longer heading right, straight, for Liberty.

See?

So long as the polarizing power toward liberty, away from Legal Crime, continues to build, just before it is set off, there is a window of opportunity.

The Legal Criminals can't operate outside of their limits of power, and they are very close to doing exactly that, and failure on their part will start the march toward Liberty, and that tsunami will leave Legal Crime behind forever.

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Anyone,

I am going to communicate an optional viewpoint that does not follow the left/right or socialist/capitalist script as it has become known, currently, as a polarizing, perpetuating, internalized, conflict.

Gary North writes:

That's what Dr. Marx taught, too. He called this process the exploitation of labor. He argued that employers – capitalists – extract value from laborers because employers pay them less than they are worth. Capitalists pay laborers only survival wages, and then pocket the difference.

To help understand the optional viewpoint I will paint a picture for the reader, and once the reader has this picture in view the reader can look from that place to the ongoing left/right conflict. You can go to a safe place, an objective place, and from that objective, safe, place, you can look back at, and measure the full measure, of the place of man-made conflict. Are you up to it?

Picture a society whereby the supply of money to the honest productive people within the society is abundant, not scarce, abundant.

You may have trouble with that picture. You may have a very hard time conceptualizing such a society. I can help.

In such a society as a society whereby the honest productive people have ready access to money, an abundant supply of money, there is a scale by which that abundance, and that ready access flows from the source of the money to the users of the money, and on that scale there are extreme limits on each end, and any honest productive person exists on that scale, and being on that scale from one end, or the other end, is a fact of being honest, and it is a fact of being productive, and it is therefore a fact of being able to employ money on that scale.

Those who are very, very, very, and most, extremely, dishonest, are on one end of the scale.

Those who are very, very, very, and most, extremely, unproductive, are on one end of the scale.

Those who are very, very, very, and most, extremely, honest, are on the other end of the scale.

Those who are very, very, very, and most, extremely, productive, are on the other end of the scale.

Most Destructive and Dishonest<->destructive and dishonest<-> neither destructive or productive and neither honest or dishonest<->productive and honest<->Most Productive and Honest

That is the scale and that scale is the scale by which the flow of money flows from the producers of money to the users of money readily while at the same time the flow of money does not readily flow from the producers of money to the torturing mass murderers and those who lie, those who steal, and those who rob, rape, torture, and murder, and those who destroy as an occupation.

Most Destructive and Dishonest<->destructive and dishonest<-> neither destructive or productive and neither honest or dishonest<->productive and honest<->Most Productive and Honest
Least access to money, money is most scarce on this end of the same scale above->->->->->->->->->->->->Most access to money, money is abundant on this end of the same scale above

You now have before you an easy to see social network whereby the power to produce (money is purchasing power or it isn't money) flows to those who can produce the most power to produce while, at the same time, the power to destroy does not flow to those who are most capable of abusing the power to produce in the work of destroying everything including the power to produce.

I've painted the picture, you can ignore it, you can fail to see it, you can fail to ask vital questions concerning what it is, and how to make it work best, but it is, and it will always be what it is, even if you refuse to see it.

If you see it, get in it, know it, be it, and accept it, as it exists, and from that point, look back, look back from that point to the social network at work today whereby socialism is set-up against capitalism in it's present form.

From here:

Most Destructive and Dishonest<->destructive and dishonest<-> neither destructive or productive and neither honest or dishonest<->productive and honest<->Most Productive and Honest
Least access to money, money is most scarce on this end of the same scale above->->->->->->->->->->->->Most access to money, money is abundant on this end of the same scale above

From there look back to here:

Honest Productive People>->->->->->->>->->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->Legal Criminals
Those who employ money to make more productive power send the total of their productive work to those who then use that power stolen in the work of destruction to keep the power to do so perpetually

There are two ways to prove to you that the social network working now is the second social network above, and those two methods of proving to you are as follows:

A.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

B.
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm
Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

Whenever someone claims that socialism is opposite capitalism, think twice, or think as many times as needed to get out of that hell hole. It is a rigged game. Socialism is not even remotely connected to capitalism, unless you define socialism as an opposite of capitalism, and then, as far as you are concerned, that is what socialism is, as socialism, to you, is the opposite of capitalism, to you, and everyone else who is caught up in that rat trap, clap trap, lie, falsehood, self-destructive merry go round, business cycle insanity, bull expletive.

Socialism has a long history, and it was, is, and will be a scientific approach toward the study of society, in the effort to improve society. Like a gun, or a pointed stick, socialism can be employed by honest productive people as well as socialism can be employed by dishonest destructive people any time, any place, right now, or in the next span of time until human beings are no longer living.

Capitalism has a long history, and it was, is, and will be a method of pricing and that is about it, as far as I know. Capitalism can be anything any honest productive person wants it to be, and capitalism can be anything any dishonest destructive person wants it to be, any time, any where, from now on.

The socialism versus capitalism dogmatic, and false, method of enslaving targeted victims by those who invent, produce, and maintain that false method of enslaving targeted victims is exactly that, and it was that, and it will be that, for as long as it works that way, as long as the targeted victims allow it to work that way.

Left versus Right

Socialism versus Capitalism

Communism versus Fascism

Democrats versus Republicans

Organized crime group A versus Organized crime group B

Legal Crime group A versus Legal Crime group B

The labels hide the names of the actual people who invent, produce, and maintain those types of connections, those types of social networks, those types of arrangements that are, without the lies, and are without the false fronts, INVOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS.

When there are battles going on whereby those who invent, produce, and maintain VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS, are being targeted by those who invent, produce, and maintain INVOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS you have, before you, regime change of a different nature, a different order, and a regime change that cannot be known by the victims if the legal criminals have enough power to make sure that the victims don't know that a defensive battle is even possible; hence the need to invent, produce, and maintain the false battle, where one offensive side fights another offensive side - kill or be killed - race to the bottom, might makes right, etc.

If the victims are fighting a false battle, whereby the victims are fighting each other, they then have little or no power being employed in the work that can cause the end of victimization. The end of victimization is out of sight, out of mind, as minds are filled with this false, man-made, premeditated, schedule of perpetual aggressive wars for profit, internally, and externally.

Do you have that understood?

How many ways can that be shown to you, whereby you can still manage to ignore it?

Will you ever question the lies that you have accepted as fact?

Back to Gary North:

That's what Dr. Marx taught, too. He called this process the exploitation of labor. He argued that employers – capitalists – extract value from laborers because employers pay them less than they are worth. Capitalists pay laborers only survival wages, and then pocket the difference.

All of that is nonsense. It is abject acceptance of falsehood driving false solutions. You can know this, easily. You don't have to rely upon the expertise of an Austrian Economist to dig your own way out of the mire.

When purchasing power flows to honest productive people in abundance, instead of the opposite, whereby purchasing power flows readily, quickly, rapidly, into the hands of the most destructive among us, what happens?

What happens if the following measures of the current falsified conflict is reversed?


A.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

B.
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm
Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

What happens if those  measures of the current falsified conflict are reversed?

It may or may not be capitalism.

It may or may not be socialism.

It will be a social network that measurably allows, voluntarily, the flow of power flowing to the people who are most able to use that power in the work of making more power.

What happens when power is abundant?

Why will the label capitalism fit that which will be, in the absence of the falsified conflict, or why will socialism fit?

Capitalism is just, and only, a method of pricing, and it is a method of pricing that is employed by the person using that method to move power to them from someone else, and that is it, and it can be capitalism whenever it works for whomever it works and so what, big deal, it is not something to die for, it is not something to torture people to keep, it isn't worth anything more than any other pricing method at any time, in any place, when there is abundance, and when the buyers have a competitive option.

Capitalism is a pricing method. If it is more to you, if it is something else, and you define what it is, to you, and to whomever you share that exclusive definition, whereby your group define capitalism that way, so what, big deal, pat yourselves on the back, you have a neat pricing method, good enough for you, and whatever else you add to that pricing method, and by whatever definition you share with anyone concerning your versions of capitalism.

Is capitalism the thing you use to excuse legal torture and legal mass murder? Is your pricing method worth that much to you? What is capitalism to you?

This:

Honest Productive People>->->->->->->>->->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->>->->->->->->Legal Criminals
Those who employ money to make more productive power send the total of their productive work to those who then use that power stolen in the work of destruction to keep the power to do so perpetually

If that is the bare bones, no false advertizing, no false fronts, no hidden agendas, no secret deals, no dirty compromises, out in the open, true, accurate, real, factual thing you know to be as capitalism, then capitalism isn't just a pricing method, to you.

If that is capitalism, to you, and your group, then capitalism isn't this:

Most Destructive and Dishonest<->destructive and dishonest<-> neither destructive or productive and neither honest or dishonest<->productive and honest<->Most Productive and Honest
Least access to money, money is most scarce on this end of the same scale above->->->->->->->->->->->->Most access to money, money is abundant on this end of the same scale above

When the power to purchase moves more readily to those who employ power, in the necessary work required to produce more power, the end result will be an abundance of power sooner than any other flow of power, such as when the flow of power flows rapidly from those who create power to those who steal it and use it to destroy any competition anywhere.

When the power to purchase moves more readily to those who employ power in the necessary work required to move power to dishonest people who destroy things, you have this:

A.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

B.
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm
Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

Call that socialism if it makes you feel better about it. It is still it. Call that capitalism, if it makes you feel better about it. It is still it. It is still doing what it does best.

Back to Gary North:

That's what Dr. Marx taught, too. He called this process the exploitation of labor. He argued that employers – capitalists – extract value from laborers because employers pay them less than they are worth. Capitalists pay laborers only survival wages, and then pocket the difference.

The Gold Bugs, and the Austrian Economists, call them conservatives, or call them republicans, or call them friends of Liberty, or constitutionalists, or whatever label works for you, but don't call them late for dinner.

They want purchasing power to be scarce. That is their tune. So long as purchasing power is scarce, so long will some people (those who know how to gain control over scarce things) be more powerful than those who don't. That is their tune.

It is based upon the idea that value, the full and only measure of value, is measured on a scale of scarcity. Like this:

Most scarce, very scarce, pretty scarce, kinda scarce, not scarce or abundant, kinda abundant, pretty abundant, very abundant, most abundant
Most valuable, very valuable, kinda valuable, not as valuable, even less valuable, nearly absent any value, hardly worth anything, worth nothing

That is a very flawed economic theory, as it ignores, on purpose, the value of generosity, and it ignores, by willful ignorance, or just plain stupidity, the value of power.

If power is abundant it is more powerful, not less, it is more valuable, not less, depending upon who does the measuring.

If power is scarce it is only more powerful for those who have the power to get more power than anyone else.

See?

So, that is the measure of error in that viewpoint, as anyone with a brain can see, assuming, of course, that the man hears more than just what he what's to hear.

I've spilled the beans. I've blown the whistle. What can the capitalists do, once they know the truth about their pricing methods? They are trained to accept only one option, which is to move closer to socialism, once they have been shown the limitations of the capitalist pricing method.

That is the insanity of the left/right falsehood. That is the brilliancy, or genius, of the left/right falsehood. Who does the measuring?

Are you an insane victim.

Are you a member of the legal crime syndicate of economic and political geniuses pretending to be making the same mistakes over and over again?

How do you earn your living?

Who pays the bills you alone create?

If the use of your brilliant, genius, left/right falsehood fills your bank account, you may find out soon, that you are just another one of the insane victims, and you have fair warning, from more than just another conscientious objector, you even have warnings offered  to you from above, and I don't mean Gold.

Back to Gary North:

That's what Dr. Marx taught, too. He called this process the exploitation of labor. He argued that employers – capitalists – extract value from laborers because employers pay them less than they are worth. Capitalists pay laborers only survival wages, and then pocket the difference.

I return to that because that says so much.  

What happens when power flows readily, abundantly,  to those who employ power best at the work of making more power? They get a little and they produce so much more, and compare that to sending power to those who get a lot and they use what the get to destroy everything in sight.

That is a vital question, and therefore an accurate answer is required, a must have, and failing to have the accurate answer can be worse than failing to ask the question, since the wrong answer can invent, and produce, a wrong path, a path heading further away from the right path, while the person who has not yet asked the question may yet ask it, and may yet gain the accurate answer. and may then embark on the better path sooner. How much on the wrong path will pass before the traveler realizes what is found at the end of that wrong path?

What happens when power flows readily, abundantly,  to those who employ power best at the work of making more power?

Jobs, employment, opportunity, and an abundant supply of new, productive, things to be done, can be what happens when power flows readily, abundantly,  to those who employ power best at the work of making more  power.

What happens when there are many, many, many more job opportunities than there are  people who are ready, willing, and able to fill those job opportunities?

The shoe goes on to the other foot.

A worker becomes the employer.

Like this:

Joe is a person needing help to complete a large work load, failing to gain the help needed will be total failure since another competitor does not fail in this work of finding, hiring, and paying workers to work.

Jack is a temporarily unemployed person deciding which job to take, among an abundant supply of jobs, not wanting to be too generous, not wanting to give up too much for too little. Generous but not to a fault, not stupidly generous, not generous to a point of weakness. One can't be generous without anything to give.

Joe interviews Jack:

Joe:
"Jack, sit down, please, I'm offering you less than the minimum wage required by law, because I can."

Jack:
"Stuff it."

Back to Gary North:

That's what Dr. Marx taught, too. He called this process the exploitation of labor. He argued that employers – capitalists – extract value from laborers because employers pay them less than they are worth. Capitalists pay laborers only survival wages, and then pocket the difference.

If the Gold Bugs get to keep a monetary system that manages to make purchasing power scarce to everyone except those who are best able to deceive targeted victims, or threaten targeted victims, or injure targeted victims, or torture targeted victims, or mass murder targeted victims, then power will remain scarce, on purpose, because power can't be allowed to reach a level that is even remotely close to abundance, because abundant power will find it's way into the hands of honest productive people, and that will result in honest productive people doing what they do best, which is production, which will be powerful, which will move the production of power more toward abundance, including the production of an abundant supply of job opportunities.

Joe interviews Jack:

Joe:
"Jack, sit down, please, I'm offering you less than the minimum wage required by law, because I can."

Jack:
"Stuff it."

Back to Gary North:

[Note: the phrase "pocket the difference" is the very heart of the endless debates among all schools of economic opinion. Why? Because nobody keeps the money in his pocket for long. He does something with it. So, to understand economics, follow the money: into pockets and out of pockets.]

Please don't get the wrong idea. I'm not blowing the whistle on Gary North. I think that Gary North knows the facts as good as anyone I've read living today. Gold may dominate a free market as the highest quality legal currency taking most of the market share because it is higher in quality and lower in cost than all competitors combined.

That can be, and I'm not here to argue. How is that fact established, if it will be a fact?

Is it a fact that gold is the best money?

I don't know. I think not. I think that electricity is a much better legal currency. The trouble with electricity being money, not currency,  is that electricity is a "use it or lose it" form of legal currency. Storing electricity is yet again another market. Electricity is a very productive form of legal currency. Electricity is a very high quality legal currency, because it is exactly what it is, and it is therefore a very exact standard of purchasing power.

One watt is exactly one watt, no more, no less, ever.

That is what I think, not what Gary North thinks. I may be alone in my thoughts. You can be the judge.

You are.

Back to Gary North:

Therefore, Marx concluded, the way to get rich is to set up a business in India and China, where there are enormous pools of labor to be exploited. Oops, sorry; that's not what Marx taught. He said that the way to get rich was to imitate his partner, Frederick Engels, who ran a factory in Manchester. Well, he did not actually admit that his partner was a capitalist exploiter, but he knew how the man made enough money to put him on the dole for 30 years. So, Marx argued, the way to get rich is to set up a business in a growing economy – a capitalist economy – where there are fewer laborers than in Asia, and who live far better than Asians did in 1850. Exploit richer workers – that's the ticket to wealth!

I want to explore the optional viewpoint much more than I have the time to do so, at this time, so I have to cut this short. The above quote reminds me of a lesson learned. The lesson I learned had to do with the two default viewpoints combined into the one conflict viewpoint, and how, historically, that played out.

Left versus Right = One thing (A man-made, self destructive, perpetuating, conflict)

In the Communist Manifesto there are quotes that may be attributed to Marx or Engels. Confusing the two may be a bad idea. In those quotes the message is clearly marking the differences between the false conflict and the options.

A. The one thing (left versus right = one coin with two heads)

B. Not A (Options)

The false conflict was said to be, specifically, COMMUNISM versus Capitalism, and in The Communist Manifesto the option viewpoint was spelled out as Socialism, and even that was specified as the Socialism spoken of by specific proponents of Socialism.

Here:

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html

PREFACE TO 1888 ENGLISH EDITION

Down here:

Yet, when it was written, we could not have called it a _socialist_ manifesto. By Socialists, in 1847, were understood, on the one hand the adherents of the various Utopian systems: Owenites in England, Fourierists in France, both of them already reduced to the position of mere sects, and gradually dying out; on the other hand, the most multifarious social quacks who, by all manner of tinkering, professed to redress, without any danger to capital and profit, all sorts of social grievances, in both cases men outside the working-class movement, and looking rather to the "educated" classes for support. Whatever portion of the working class had become convinced of the insufficiency of mere political revolutions, and had proclaimed the necessity of total social change, called itself Communist. It was a crude, rough-hewn, purely instinctive sort of communism; still, it touched the cardinal point and was powerful enough amongst the working class to produce the Utopian communism of Cabet in France, and of Weitling in Germany. Thus, in 1847, socialism was a middle-class movement, communism a working-class movement. Socialism was, on the Continent at least, "respectable"; communism was the very opposite. And as our notion, from the very beginning, was that "the emancipation of the workers must be the act of the working class itself," there could be no doubt as to which of the two names we must take. Moreover, we have, ever since, been far from repudiating it.

Note the use of the following term:

social quacks

The Enemies of Communism, therefore, are known.

Owenites

Fourierists

Those were the enemies of the Communism versus Capitalism battle.

Those were the optional viewpoints. Those where the ones opting out of the false paradigm.

I have learned a lesson about those options.

From those options, in America, the following options were invented:

1.
http://tmh.floonet.net/pdf/jwarren.pdf

That was explained further, in historical context, by the following:

Owen, Fourier, St. Simon, and more, have worthily sought to solve the problem of a harmonious human society; and although they have all tailed to discover the true methods of reform, they have done, in the effort to do so, other and most valuable work. They have laid bare the vices of the old règime with a terrific fidelity. They have, like Carlyle, disgusted mankind with their own portraiture. At the same time they have sketched with a potent hand an enchanting picture of the “golden age of the future,” which contrasts in all men’s minds forcibly, at this day, with the antagonism, the wasteful expenditure of means, the ignorance, and crime, and sickness, and squalor, and filth, and wretchedness, and the broad and painful but ludicrous diversities of poverty and wealth, and the mercenary degradation of all classes, which disgrace the existing state of our social organization. Fourier has done even far more than this. His masterly analysis of the human passions is an invaluable contribution to man’s knowledge of himself. His daring but shadowy outline of a science of universal analogy, which would be entitled, if once put fairly upon the firm basis of a known science, to the denomination of “The Science of Sciences,” is eminently worthy of estimation, if regarded as merely suggestive, and stimulating to more sedate and systematic investigations in the same direction, and equally dangerous if accepted for what it claims to be an ascertained basis from which to reason in practical science.

http://www.anarchism.net/scienceofsociety.htm

The lesson is such that other people know the same lesson, in other words:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/pilgers-law-if-its-been-officially-denied-then-itrsquos-probably-true-959206.html

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it’s probably true'

The Communist Manifesto officially denies Socialism and not ambiguously, there is a specific reference to a pre-corruption Socialism, or Socialism before it was corrupted by the Legal Criminals in much the same way as the Nationalists corrupted the Federalism, and in much the same was as Rick Perry is corrupting the Tea Party, and in much the same way as, perhaps, Newt Gingrich corrupts The Republican Party.

Owenites in England, Fourierists in France

Those options instead of the two headed coin were imported, improved, and those types of options became such things as Equitable Commerce.

There are other examples:

2.
http://www.the-portal.org/mutual_banking.htm

Mutual Banking  (look up The Parasite City please)

And here:

http://lysanderspooner.org/node/40

A New System of Paper Currency

Listen up.

Those are American versions of options that are outside of the Left/Right conflict, so, what does the "Right" have to say about those American born options, and keep in mind Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it’s probably true'

You have to go to the Right side's official mouthpiece, and you probably don't even know who that is, so I can offer to you a very competitive competitor for the official, no bones, free market, mouth piece, the literal horses mouth, for the established free market right side of the two headed coin.

Here:
http://mises.org/books/egalitarianism.pdf

Murray Rothbard
Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature

13
THE SPOONER–TUCKER
DOCTRINE: AN
ECONOMIST’S VIEW

Remember a few things here please, before I begin quoting:

1.  The mouth piece of the free market right does not touch Equitable Commerce with a 10 foot pole, as far as the Free Market Right (tm) is concerned the author of Equitable Commerce is persona non grata.
2.  The closest I have ever found of any spokesperson of the Free Market Right (tm) challenging Equitable Commerce by Josiah Warren are the quotes I am going to quote now.
3.  Spooner was a spokes person contemporary to, or at the same time as, Josiah Warren and Stephen Pearl Andrews, all of which came after Owen and Fourier, all of which are contemporaries with Marx and Engels, more or less, and then following Josiah Warren are the works of Benjamin Tucker, with his publications of Liberty, for example, the time line is thereby reported, and it is a significant time in human history.

Murray Rothbard had to skip over Josiah Warren, as if Equitable Commerce didn't exist, and then Rothbard sets about to discredit Spooner and Tucker. Spooner wrote A New System of Paper Currency, which you can read yourself. Tucker helped publish a magazine called Liberty.

Here are the quotes from Rothbard as he discredits his competition:

Actually, in contrast to collectivist anarchists and to many other types of radicals, Spooner and Tucker tried to use economics rather than scorn it as excessively rational. Some of their fallacies (for example, the “law of cost,” the labor theory of value) were embedded in much of classical economics; and it was their adoption of the labor theory of value that convinced them that rent, interest, and profit were payments exploitatively extracted from the worker. In contrast to the Marxists, however, Spooner and Tucker, understanding many of the virtues of the free market, did not wish to abolish that noble institution; instead, they believed that full freedom would lead, by the workings of economic law, to the peaceful disappearance of these three categories of income. The mechanism for this peaceful abolition Spooner and Tucker found—and here they unfortunately ignored the teachings of classical economics and substituted instead their own fallacies—in the sphere of money.


That is bait and switch, combined with a Man of Straw product. There is no argument possible as to the cost principle which is Josiah Warren's observation reported in Equitable Commerce. Rothbard baits with an inaccurate reference to the cost principle by twisting it and replacing it with his own construction of "law of cost" and then his own Man of Straw in "The Labor Theory of Value (tm)".

So, politically, destructive politics, or resort to deceit, is a play here in measurable ways by Rothbard as he resorts to deceit as a means of destroying competition, and it is specifically competition in money markets that is targeted by Rothbard.

A.
Do not mention that which must not be acknowledged, which is the same thing happening right now as the Legal Criminals do not mention Ron Paul. Murray Rothbard, and all the right side dogmatists do not mention Josiah Warren and Equitable Commerce, at all. To mention Josiah Warren is to give support to monetary competition, a no win situation for the monopolists who pay lip service to competition.  

B.
Corrupt the message that does manage to become currently known by a significant number of people, despite refusal to even mention that which must not be acknowledged. In other words: if the competitive message does get out, despite all effort to keep the competitive message censored, the next best thing is to alter, corrupt, and spin the message that does get out, and at the same time avoid mentioning the actual message as much as possible.

C.
Attack the corrupted message, once the corrupted Man of Straw is in place, and misdirect all attention away from the actual message. A Man of Straw is constructed with an obvious flaw, and then the constructor of the Man of Straw has power over that weak opponent, while the actual opponent is thereby hidden. The actual opponent will be left in an indefensible position if The Man of Straw gains currency, or, in other words, if the Man of Straw is believed to be a true representation of the censored, defeated, competitive message. See the Federalist versus Anti-Federalist conflict for a prime, text book, example of the tactic, as Nationalists hid behind a false front of Federalism, and they even managed to implant the name Anti-Federalist on their competitors who were, in all fact, the true Federalists of the day. That is textbook political deception.

More from Murray Rothbard:

The two basic interrelated fallacies of Spoonerite theory (and the theory of all schools of writers who have unkindly been labelled by economists as “money-cranks”) are a failure to understand the nature of money and the nature of interest. 4 (footnote)

First off: you can read Spooner's actual work, if you care to, and you can know that it is sound, and his work is far closer to capitalism, it is capitalism in fact, it employes the same pricing method, based upon scarcity, and therefore the whole attack on Spooner is ludicrous, laughable, or even stupid - certainly ignorant. Secondly: the actual alternative, the cost principle, and the principle  of individuality, combined as a basis for Equitable Commerce, a competitor, the actual target of Rothbard's false political spin, the same thing that inspired Tucker, is again misrepresented by Rothbard, it is entirely side stepped, with the reference to "monetary-cranks".

Call them names, when facts weaken your offering compared to the competition.  Does that sound at all familiar?

Thirdly: notice the tactic of claiming to blame the use of derogatory laguage, and inflammatory verbiage, on other people. Rothbard claims that it is unfair to call his Straw-Man "monetary-cranks", while he does it.

Forth: the concept of interest is not "understood" in any sense of the word, and all the ambiguity of "interest", according to Rothbard, is the full measure of it. The interest he defines is ambiguity, it is ambiguity, and the idea is to keep "interest" a trade secret, something known only by a few, and something not knowable by the many, it is, as a term: fine print, it is too complicated on purpose.

Interest is simple.

Interest is nothing but the price on money. If competition is legal, then the price is driven down, and that is simple. It is simple to know why some people work to make money scarce. Once money is made scarce, the price on money can reach for the highest known limit ever in the history of human existence. That is simple stuff. It is interesting to know that capitalists want money to be scarce, on purpose, so as to make money prices go higher, and higher, and higher, in inverse proportion to money scarcity. If no one but a few have it, everyone else will pay anything to get it. Isn't that interesting?

Here is Rothbards dodge:

4 (footnote)
For the sake of simplicity, we will here continue the practice of the classical economists of lumping “interest” and “profits” together. Actually, the rate of profit on the market tends, in the long-run, to equal the rate of interest. Short-run profit (and losses) would continue to exist on the market even if Spooner had his way and the rate of interest (and of long-run profit) fell to zero. The true nature of the distinction between interest and profit was not discovered until the work of Frank H. Knight, Risk, Uncertainty, and Profit (Boston, Mass.: Houghton Mifflin, 1921).


I've read some of the work done by various people in the effort to understand how modern political economy works, and there are many various angles of view, and in all but a very few cases there is a connection between the honest productive people and the legal criminals and that connection is denominated in the enforced legal monopoly currencies that are enforced by deceit, by threats of violence, and by acts of terrible, and horrible, violence upon the innocent victims. A measure of that "modern political economy" is that version offered by Rothbard, and it is not the measure of a free market economy, unless by defining "free" the word means freedom from moral conscience. What is being done by Murray Rothbard, with this reference to what he means by the word "interest" is another case of bait and switch, whereby the "interest" he claims is a false claim, he claims that his "interest" is "free market" interest, when it is demonstrably not, he is eluding to "interest" as it is measured under the influence of deceit, threats of violence, and acts of violence upon the innocent, as the honest productive people are connected to the legal criminals by way of a legal monopoly monopoly extortion racket.

Bait:
Monetary interest functioning accurately in a social network that manages to avoid resort to deceit, threats of violence, and injury by aggressive violent attack, or, free market interest, as in: free from crime.

Switch:
See here, this is what I mean when I say "interest", see how it works the way I say it works, while I am pointing to interest that is working in a social network whereby purchasing power is made scarce by those few who have control over the one and only legal supply, and their exclusive control over the supply of purchasing power is by resort to deceit, mainly, but also by resort the threats of violence, which can also be a form of deceit, and by way of actual aggressive, premeditated, willful, violence upon the innocent targeted victims.

Back to Murray Rothbard is his effort to demonize the competitive options that are outside of the Left/Right false front:

Money-crankism assumes (1) that more and ever more money is needed on the market; (2) that the lower the interest rate the better; and (3) that the interest rate is determined by the quantity of money, the former being inversely proportional to the latter. Given this set of totally fallacious assumptions, the prescription follows: keep increasing the quantity of money and lowering the rate of interest (or profits).


Murray Rothbard closely associates the names of Spooner and Tucker (presumably Benjamin Tucker of the Liberty publication) with "monetary crankism", without actual reference to their works, and then Murray Rothbard builds the Man of Straw, again a close association falsely made, a guilt by close association, and a false association between the names of Spooner and Tucker with "monetary crankism" and the definition of that Man of Straw made up by Murray Rothbard himself, and a definition that has nothing to do with the targets of Murray Rothbards lies.

Look into the work of Spooner and note how his actual proposal ties the issue of money with existing land titles. That is as plain to see as the nose on your face, if you care to look. If, on the other hand, the idea is to ignore actual competition, so as not to lend the competition any support, any notice, and the idea follows through with a willful plan to misrepresent the competition, by constructing false representations of the competition, then anything can be said about the competition, then the false misrepresentation, on schedule, is thrown like mud onto the competition, and likely as not some of the mud sticks.

Note the similarities in nomenclature between the right leaning half of the diametric perpetuating conflict and the left leaning half of the same coin?

Engels (or Marx after his corruption):

social quacks

Rothbard (or any mouth piece of that half of that ongoing road to hell):

monetary-cranks

Don't forget Pilger's Law:

Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it’s probably true'

The truth is easy to see, once you can get past the left/right self destruction dogma. If competition is not destroyed by resort to deceit, threats of violence, and acts of aggressive, criminal, violence upon the innocent, then money will be forced to higher and higher quality, and at the same time, money will be forced to ever lower, and lower, and lower costs.

What would  be the result of such a force acting upon the production of money for a day, a week, a month, a year, a decade, a century, a millennium, or an eon?

Money is power or it isn't money.

Power moves toward abundance.

What happens when power moves toward abundance?

The cost goes down.

What is interest?

Interest is the cost of money.

In whose best interest is it to make damn sure that power never reaches anything even close to abundance?

Back to Murray Rothbard:

Money-crankism assumes (1) that more and ever more money is needed on the market; (2) that the lower the interest rate the better; and (3) that the interest rate is determined by the quantity of money, the former being inversely proportional to the latter. Given this set of totally fallacious assumptions, the prescription follows: keep increasing the quantity of money and lowering the rate of interest (or profits).


That has nothing to do with Spooner, or Tucker, or Equitable Commerce invented by Josiah Warren. That is a Man of Straw. That is a construction of Murray Rothbard, and it is plausibly deniable, or half true, or as ambiguous as needed, it is constructively interpretable, and it means only that which someone wants it to mean at any given time, and it can mean the exact opposite the next second.

Spooner offered an expedient method of connecting economic actors, people, in a way that offers accountability. It is an example of competition in money markets. The effect of allowing competition in money markets is measurable as the force of competition forces the quality of the product produced up, or the service produced, upward, while the cost of the same production lowers, over time.

Who has a competitive argument, and what would be the point of arguing?

End competition?

That ends my part in exposing the left side, and the right side, as two sides of the same anti-competition argument; an argument that is constructed to reach the goal of argument, or conflict, or to reach the goal of ensuring that argument, and conflict, work to limit, govern, and reduce power down, and down, and down, so as to make sure that power remains scarce, so that there isn't enough power available for all, certainly not enough power to afford the victims the power needed to avoid victimization.

Back the Gary North:

Before doing so, please know, I am almost  never challenged, and you may guess why, since as you can see, I've done my homework.

What does that say, world wide, about your authorities? Know. Know that I've been writing my viewpoint for decades, and I reach a world wide audience, and I can count those who challenge my viewpoint on one hand, and that is a measure of competition. Where are your authorities on political economy, if they are not in your own brain?

Back to Gary North:

Defenders of the free market, then as now, have argued that workers got richer, 1820-1850, because there was more capital investment per worker. Capitalists competed against each other to buy the services of workers. Real wages were going up in 1850 – higher than at any time in man's history. 

Please note that time frame. That time frame was the age of Spooner, Greene, Anderson, and Warren, an age of almost unrestricted competition in America, a hey day, a time after Jackson killed the monopoly bank of the day, a competition won even if it was won by another monopolist, the age was known by the Wildcat Banks.

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Banking_Era#1837.E2.80.931862:_.22Free_Banking.22_Era

1837–1862: "Free Banking" Era

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_banking

non-federally regulated state banking between 1816 and 1863

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson

After a titanic struggle, Jackson succeeded in destroying the Bank by vetoing its 1832 re-charter by Congress and by withdrawing U.S. funds in 1833.

What was the polarizing event that ended competition soon after that era of lesser enforcement of monopoly power? Learn from history, or pay the cost.

Back to Gary North:

What was wrong with Marx's theory? First, there was not much surplus labor to exploit. Employers kept bidding up the price (wages) of any visible exploited labor in their quest for profit. (Greedy bastards!) Second, labor was not the only productive asset to provide economic value, contrary to the labor theory of value. In this fundamental sense, the labor theory of value was wrong, and Marx was the last famous economist to defend it. By the time he died, the labor theory of value had been dead for a decade. It was finally interred in the grave with Marx. It was about time. As Martha said of her brother Lazaurus' corpse, "It stinketh." Unlike Lazarus, there has been no resurrection of the labor theory of value. But the Keynesians have tried. How they have tried!

Ask a vital question, and do not settle for anything less than an accurate answer.

Who made up this "labor theory of value"?

Gary North appears to suggest, but I don't here him saying so, that Marx either made that theory up, or Marx supported it.

What is this "labor theory of value"?

I don't know. But I have a quote by Eric Fromm, attributed to Marx, and it is how I will introduce my comments on this mysterious thing called "The Labor Theory of Value".

http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Human-Destructiveness-Erich-Fromm/dp/080501604X

For Marx, capital and labor were not merely two economic categories. Capital for him was the manifestation of the past, of labor transformed and amassed into things; labor was the manifestation of life, of human energy applied to nature in the process of transforming it. The choice between capitalism and socialism (as he understood it) amounted to this: Who (what) was to rule over what (whom)? What is dead over what is alive, or what is alive over what is dead? (Cf. E. Fromm, 1961, 1968)

Now, from whose viewpoint can a theory be accurately explained?

A.
The critics of that viewpoint

B.
Those who have that viewpoint

Who ever dreamed up a "Labor Theory of Value" (tm)?

I submit, absent any information that proves otherwise (so far), that  the opponents of that viewpoint are the ones who invented it, and when you ask them what it is, they will tell you that it is stupid, and they have created all the evidence needed to prove their claims.

See how that works?

I have observations to report to you, and you can measure these observations yourself.

1.
Sticking my hand in a fire will cause my hand to burn, and my hand will be injured in proportion to the time that my hand is held in the fire.

2.
Looking directly at the sun, will cause my eyes to be injured, and my injuries to my eyes will be proportional to the length of time that my eyes are focused directly at the sun.

You can argue with me over my use of English.

You can claim that those observations are theories.

You can even make up a false version of my claims above, and you can claim that your false versions are my versions, and you can even claim that my reports of the facts are my theories, and your versions of my theories can be constructed by you to be stupid theories, as you tear apart the stupid theories that you constructed to misrepresent what I have just reported.


1.
Sticking my hand in a fire caused my hand to burn, and my hand will be injured in proportion to the time that my hand is held in the fire.

2.
Looking directly at the sun, will cause my eyes to be injured, and my injuries to my eyes will be proportional to the length of time that my eyes are focused directly at the sun.

3.
Productive human labor is valuable in proportion to the value of the products produced by productive human labor.

Now I have added a further observation, as a report to you, from me, and no one else but me. I can add additional observations concerning that accurate report of measurable reality.

You can call it theory.

What would  be the point of you calling those observations by any other wording, at all? Why are your versions of my words better than my versions of my wording? Can you claim to know more about my measures of reality than I do?

I don't know why Gary North is reporting things about Marx, or The Labor Theory of Value, and I've asked Gary North questions, by way of e-mail, and he is not reachable, measurable by the lack of response to my vital questions.

I still read Gary North, because he is, so far, the most accurate reporter of the right wing perspective of that two sided man-made conflict. I can know better that which I prefer to avoid, so as to avoid it better, and it is not easy to avoid, the two sided man-made conflict is, in one word: ubiquitous.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ubiquitous

existing or being everywhere, especially at the same time; omnipresent: ubiquitous fog; ubiquitous little ants.

Back to Gary North, and this time I'm going to read through the whole article, pick out one more thing, and then I have yet to edit this monster.

Audit the FED.

Why waste power at all. Why not bypass them entirely, why not cut free from that extortion racket entirely? Waste no more time, energy, power, thought, labor, politics, or economy on that at all, please.

Invent, produce, and maintain competitive legal money and all those legal criminals will eat each other for lack of ready victims.

So, you may ask, what is an example of competitive legal money?

1. Gold
2. Silver
3. Oil
4. Electricity
5. Stamp Script
6. Labor Notes
7. Land title notes
8. Food
9. Water
10. Hydrogen and Oxygen, separated or together

Which, you may ask, is better?

Keep asking.

It is a vital question.

The answer will be unmistakable. It will corner the market, and if it is challenged by something better, later, it will no longer corner the market. Competition will force the quality higher.

Competition will force the cost lower.

The missing element is THE FORCE OF COMPETITION

Monopoly power must use all the power necessary in the work of eliminating competition.

Failing to eliminate competition means, by definition, that there will be competition.

What does competition do?

Competition forces the quality up.

Competition forces the cost down.

What does monopoly do?

Is that a vital question?

What is the accurate answer?

Will a false answer be good enough?

Monopoly forces quality down.

Monopoly forces cost up.

Is this a theory?

Are you on crack?

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