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 Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 02:37 pm
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Joe Kelley

 

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Honest Productive Americans,

I have two links to report to you, and they have a common message.

A.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28767.htm

Another common theme, at least among those who are not willfully blind, is that American decline is in no small measure self-inflicted. The comic opera in Washington this summer, which disgusts the country and bewilders the world, may have no analogue in the annals of parliamentary democracy.

B.
http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1014.html

Financial columnists of the sky-is-sagging perspective have searched for an accurate metaphor to describe the current economy. We have all failed.

I see a need to support my measure of the common element.

Word A:
Analogue

Word B:
Metaphor

Definition A:
a modern analog to what happened before

Definition B:
a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money); broadly : figurative language — compare simile

Word A2:
decline

Word B2:
sagging

The definitions of the words, in our common language of victims, can mean anything, to anyone, this minute, and the opposite meaning a second later. That can be a consequence of duplicity.

I don't think either messenger above is duplicitous. If you read their work, like reading Ron Paul's work, or reading Dennis Kucinich's work, you read the same message, over, and over, and over, again, where the words intend to mean the same thing each time, which can measure up as something called honesty.

Who is accurate?

The person receiving the message may want to hear lies, and that is a common problem, a problem that is borne by the person who pays the cost of such a problem, however that may actually measure up, in due time, accurately.

I start this message with those links, showing the common bonds that I see between those two messengers, and I prefer not to shoot the messenger, but I prefer to set aside the message, after realizing the full measure of the message, and my intention is to move onto solutions. I have two. Two solutions that work as one solution.

I'm leading into the two solutions, and it occurs to me to repeat something, before moving into the two solutions that work as one solution, and the reason that I add these next two things that constitute one thing is reasonable, if you think about it, think about how two things manage to form one thing.

Thing A:
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/

Thing B:
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/

When two things are produced, so as to have two things work together, the outcome is one thing. That one thing that was produced from those two things has since been called World War II.

Here is one comment on World War III, before I move, finally, onto 2 solutions that work as one thing.

http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/EinsteinQuotes.html

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

The products that we, The Honest Productive Americans, use for money are produced by the same people who bring torture, mass murder, and steps leading closer and closer to human extinction, so, naturally, the solution is to use higher quality products, produced by us, and in so doing, the connection that has been made by The Legal Criminals, to their source of enormous power, is cut, like cutting a credit card in half, as simple as that, and you did not hear this from Gary North, and you did not hear this from Noam Chomsky, and you did not hear this from any other messenger.

What is the solution that will work? Do you get a detailed, reasonable, workable, logical, understandable, interesting, solution?

Follow along with me as I bring the solution that will work into focus on a personal level for any of the millions of Honest Productive People who are not right now personally wealthy, not yet wealthy enough to have so much power as to be able to have their accumulated power working to make even more power, and this can be understood well.

I am speaking about the millions of people who are not yet in a position to sit at home, playing games, doing nothing productive, since they don't have to do anything productive, since they have an account somewhere, denominated in dollars, and that account is large enough to generate a steady increase by way of interest payments sent into that "savings" account.

I'm not speaking to those people, who are set for life, with lots, and lots, and lots, of power, so much power that their power grows larger, and larger, just because it is so large.

Those people can worry about what they are going to do to protect their steady flow of power flowing to their very larger stores of power, and I hope they get what they truly want, deep down inside their souls. I have no desire to connect with them in any way whatsoever, and so I speak to all the people who are not in that group of self sustaining wealthy people, who may be as Honest, and as Productive, as any other person.

Gather around all those who are not yet powerful enough to have more power flow to them just because they already have lots of power. Get all those less powerful people in one group, and then think about what any of those people can do to solve the growing problem of very powerful people, very few in number, managing to steal power from everyone else, and then they use that stolen power to perpetuate that flow of power from everyone else, to them.

Imagine that group of people, those who are not "independently wealthy", those in the group that my message intends to reach, imagine that, be one of those people for now, if you are not one already and sit down and listen carefully, listen as if you are going to hear something worth hearing.

Imagine, please, that my Product 1, and my Product 2 proposal is enacted into National law, and these new products, that intend to accomplish one goal, are made available world wide, and most certainly made available to you, all of you, from sea to shining sea, across America.

How does that work for you?

It does not get you something for nothing, and that should be understood right away.

Just like the independently wealthy person may have earned all the wealth that that person owns, so as to have all that power make more power, you have earned a credit rating.

If you are productive, and you consistently produce more than you consume, by any measure, that measures up as exactly that, you produce more than you consume, that is what you do, and in my opinion there is only one way to do that, and that is to do that honestly. If you get things by lying, you produce lies, and you do not consume the stuff you produce, you produce stuff that is intended to injure someone else, you produce poison that you know enough to avoid consuming, and therefore you "earn" your living by using words to commit crimes, you do no earn anything, you steal, you are not honest, you are a criminal, and no amount of spin, doctoring, apologizing, rationalizing, or change, can chance the fact that you target a victim, you produce the stuff that injures the targeted victims, and you plan on inuring the targeted victim, and then you willfully execute that premeditated act - if that is what you do. If you don't do that, then listen, please.

An honest productive person earns credit, where credit is due, which isn't easy, and again just like the independently wealthy person who gained his power honestly, you have that power of good credit earned, you represent the full measure of the good faith and credit of the American People, and if the current legal dollar has any value, whatsoever, you represent that value, you make that power to purchase that power to purchase, and you did so by working, producing, being honest, which is being fair, which is doing the right thing, and which is necessary in the work that causes higher standards of living, and lower costs of living. You earn, and that is worth something.

You are there, imagining, and you now see Product 1, and Product 2, for sale, and you now have an opportunity to see if this Joe Kelley guy knows what he is talking about, since he did get elected as President, or someone else took that ball and ran with it after Joe Kelley was shot in the head with another magic bullet, and it matters not who carries Product 1, or something similar to it, to you, there it is, and that is the point right now. See the solution offered, see if it works for you.

No more ambiguity, no more confusion, no more misunderstanding, no more waiting for the solution, it is there in front of you, you are at the web page, you are at the point of making a decision, and so are all the other honest productive Americans, in their due time, in their places, once Product 1 and Product 2 are ready for you to buy, or ready for you to decide not to buy, along with anyone else who may, or may not have an interest in those two solutions to that one problem.

What do you see at the web page, or in the bank, if you want to go to the bank, instead of shopping on-line, for Product 1 and/or Product 2?

You don't know.

You have no clue.

What is the solution to the problem?

Did you forget the problem?

Legal Criminals steal all the power produced by all The Honest Productive People and they use that stolen power to keep stealing even more. Is that not an obvious problem, even if you don't want to see it?

You are sitting at the screen and what is the solution to that problem before you? Make one up yourself, or follow along, and see.

You can buy a new home mortgage, legally, from Skype, or PayPal, or whichever bidder wins one of the franchise licenses they are awarded so as to be one of the groups of people who do that paper work, the digital paper work, to offer Product 1 and Product 2 for sale to you, and maintain each account, and do so legally, officially, fairly, equitably, on safe and secure records - in triplicate.  

You log onto a web site. You submit some information.  This isn't rocket science. This is common practice stuff. You then qualify, and you do qualify, because you are another one of the many Honest Productive People and your qualification is honest productivity, and you get a home mortgage loan, for no interest cost to you, and that is Product 1.

Do you see how that would work, on a personal level, first?

The money is not necessarily dollars, it is a transfer of your future earnings to you, because you will earn it, and you will pay all of what you borrow back to the source, which is you, since you borrow it from yourself, and the reason why PayPal, or Skype, or Google, or any of the franchises want in on this is because they will make money on selling Product 2. They are legally allowed to sell Product 1, which is the free stuff, so as to sell Product 2, which is the money maker for the franchise.

How does that work for you, in dollars and cents, first?

If you are not independently wealthy: it stand to reason, that you owe interest to someone, for some reason, and the reason may be a dubious one, and if you owe a lot of interest you owe mortgage interest, and if you owe mortgage interest you owe roughly twice the cost of one house for one house. You pay for one house. You pay an extra house worth of interest to someone, for some reason, that you probably don't understand, and who really cares why you  had to do that once, once you don't  have to do that anymore?

You are at the computer. You are offered a no interest home mortgage loan, and you have to ask yourself, punk, this is a 44 magnum, do I want to pay twice for one house, or just once?

Call me a conspiracy theorist, a monetary crank, a terrorist, or whatever your conditioned response may be, at first. Get over it. The message is the message. I'm the messenger. I'm not the message. If you want to kill the message, ask why. If you want to kill me, ask why. Why confuse the two? I am not the message.

You don't understand why you have to pay twice for one house, or you do, and I don't, and you can go ahead and be right, and how does that work for you, as you pay twice for one house.

Product 1 can also have, if I have anything to do with it, the feature of offering a no-interest loan to qualified buyers for the power to purchase a business property along with the power to purchase a home.

So, suppose you didn't get Product 1, because you think President Joe Kelley is another socialist, or capitalist, or whatever you don't want, and you know that anyone taking Product 1 will be sending America down to hell quicker, but you see Product 2, and you may think about it some.

Suppose that the web page is designed to list the number of total sales of Product 1 and Product 2 like a clock, in real time, each new loan is recorded live.

Like this clock:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Each sale of Product 1, a new home mortgage without interest, is another person moving closer to being independently wealthy by a significant measure: roughly half of each monthly mortgage payment, or roughly half of the time of the loan.

You can refuse, while the clock shows how many Honest Productive People decide to turn in their old mortgages for new ones. You, go ahead, keep sending roughly twice the cost of a home for one home to someone else, and don't even think a minute about what that money you once had buys, forget about it.

But, having refused to participate in that bad, bad, bad, something for nothing, pyramid scheme, socialistic nonsense, home mortgage loan scam, while the numbers count up, you are still at the computer, looking at a new business loan. Sure, keep paying twice what your home is worth, so as to make someone else happy, sending them an entire home's worth of your money, keep it up, on that front, but how about starting your own business?

What do you have to lose? What if you default? What if your new business venture is only marginally profitable? Can you afford to pay twice as much as the business property is worth? Wouldn't it be better to cut that expense down by exactly the amount of interest you would have to pay on a business property mortgage, paying your hard earned power to someone who may very well use that power to run you out of business, as they spend the money you sent them on things that make your job even harder, like subsidizing your competition, or who knows what else, kept secret from you?

If you default, the business property title, collateral, is sold and you don't get the profits of the sale, of course, and your credit rating suffers, of course, and then you lose your good credit rating, and then you have poor credit, and then, after default, you are thereby charged an interest rate charge as a result, when you seek more credit worthy purchasing power, because that is what you earn, because you default, so think twice, before borrowing - from yourself - you pay the cost, and no longer, if I have my way, will law be used to punish everyone for the wrongdoings of a few bad apples.

So you are sitting at the computer, watching the numbers count up, thousands of people are now buying Product 1, it is the first day after the new Independence Day, July 5th 2012, and you note how a few hundred business property loans are purchased, and this is only the Skype web page.

You load up the E-Bay web page, and you navigate to the Product 1 and Product 2 page, they have more loans counting up, and you wonder about Product 2, so you navigate to the counter that counts how many Product 2 loans are sold to date, and few are buying product 2, so you think; and what do you think?

E-Bay will lose their rear ends on this deal, look at how few loans they are selling for a measly 1 percent profit.

Is that what you think?

How much does it cost, to E-bay, to maintain a computer program on a network? Does it cost them roughly the cost of one house to process one home loan? Why would they get paid the entire cost of one house just to keep track of one home loan on a computer network? Think about what you have been led to believe, and then think twice, or think again, use your own brain this time.

You think, and think, before work, or after work, and either way your thinking is still on work, or the kids, or all that debt, or a pending vacation, but there is the web page, and it is the Product 2 web page, so you wander into the details, to see what people are buying with Product 2 loans, where the borrower has to pay 1% interest on those Product 2 loans.

Solar Panels and Electric car loans are prevalent. The 74th person buying a Product 2 loan just counted up on the counter, no name, an anonymous buyer, and the purchase is not listed. Number 75, on the E-Bay Product 2 page is, wooo hooo, look at that, it is Joe Kelley, I knew it, I knew it, that guy is a crook, I don't know why anyone voted for him, see, see, he is cashing in, and he just bought enough Solar Panels to run his house and 2 new Electric cars, a whopping total loan amount of One Hundred Thousand Dollars.

You may wonder if it is the same Joe Kelley. It may be, but if I'm on that job I'll be busy targeting criminals, and maneuvering them out of office.

Some people are buying Modular Green House Vertical Farming Units, whatever that is. Why would anyone want one of those? Where does someone get one of those?

What does the web page say about Product 2 loans?

Anything that calculates out as a net increase in power, currently, is on the list of things that can be purchased with a Product 2 loan, so long as the net increase is more than 1%.

What does that mean? How does a Solar Panel, or Electric Car, or a Modular Green House Vertical Farming Unit calculate out as a net increase in power?

What calculation is used?

Solar Panels produce enough power in the form of electricity, at current prices of electricity, to pay for another solar panel in less that half of the lifetime of the Solar Panel, it says, and it also says that that is much more than a 1% net increase in power, it says that that is roughly double the increase in power.

Buy one, it pays for itself roughly half way before it is no longer generating electricity, and it pays for a second solar panel before it is done generating electricity, based upon very rough, and very conservative calculation.

How does that work?

What does it say on the web page?

Take out the loan, no longer pay an electric bill, before the thing purchased is half worn out the loan is paid off, with interest, and the rest of the life span of the things purchased keep producing power, if the loan is structured to pay off the loan on that specific schedule.  You don't believe that Solar Panels are net producers, so you don't buy a Product 2 loan for Solar Panels. Note too, in some States, like California, a home producer can now sell extra electricity back into the grid for profit.

Who does buy Product 2 loans, you ask? The numbers count up, and they are counting up in fact.

6 months go by, and you still refuse to participate in that pyramid scheme, socialistic nonsense, or capitalistic nonsense, whatever, it is nonsense. But you look on the web page, again, so as to better know how badly that crap is ruining good ole U.S. of A.

You look at another web page, navigating the Product 2 web site, and you see that E-Bay is really trying to sell these Product 2 loans, and you see ideas.

One guy claims, and look at his face, what a moron, that he started a taxi service. He cut his home mortgage down by half of the old payment per month, he purchased an old used car lot with the no interest business loan, he purchased enough Solar Panels to run the utilities at home and at work, and he purchased 10 new Electric cars, and 20 extra batteries, and 10 trailers. He says he swaps batteries quickly to keep the taxi cabs rolling, he rents out trailers that have batteries and solar panels to people doing small construction jobs on sites that have no electricity, and he has convinced his relative to start the same business twice the distance away from the car battery range so trips to that town can be made by hauling a spare battery on a trailer.

One women claims, and that isn't her in the picture, too pretty, probably a model, that she is working on placing 10 more modules of the Modular Greenhouse Vertical Farming units on part of her big lot in the rural area outside of some town in California, the Mojave Desert it says, and with the savings on the home property mortgage, and the savings on the electric bill having purchased Solar Panels, and the income from selling the food she produces at home, and the savings of not having to buy the lower quality stuff at the store, she can stop working for someone else, at a cut wage, a part time wage, with no benefits, and be at home more often, even if she now has more work to do at home, at least her time and energy produces something of measurable value.

And how does that, after 6 months of selling Product 1, and Product 2, solve the problem?

What was the problem again?