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| Posted: Tue Jul 30th, 2013 10:51 pm |
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bear, Please don't despair or whatever word is accurate on this font size stuff. I am actually having much to be grateful for as the book appears to be of an artful quality as it is returned compared to what it was when it left my sphere of influence. I will do as instructed to reduce the heavy lifting (key presses) required to normalize symbol sizes. Seriously, the book is taking shape as a work of art in my opinion. I mean that from a perspective where art does not have to make sense, it just is what it is, it has an artful quality to it, something that is beyond measure by scale or dimension. At this moment my brother Jack is dealing with the loss of his wife, this is the same guy that sent me the 100 dollars to help me move the book further toward publishing. The relationship he had with his wife is now ended, and the 2 children, both adults now, are so far managing, as far as I can tell. The book may be worth something to him, at this point, or worth less to him, and I can't know yet. Jack has always been the artist in the family. If he approves of the book, once it finds its way to print and then into his hands, I can have more angles of view with which to evaluate the fruits of our combined labor. So this book has outlived my mother and my sister-in-law. It is something that can be a real book some day, God willing, and if it is art, as I think it is, then it is well worth doing as far as my understanding of value is concerned. Thanks
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31st, 2013 10:01 am |
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Joe, I am very sorry for your brother and his family. My sister is in the process of loosing her husband to kidney cancer. The time is drawing near for them. I hurt for them because they are hurting even though they have courage. Another death for your brother to deal with so soon after the loss of your mother. My words fail me as I erase what I have written as if I can know the depths of what anyone else feels.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31st, 2013 11:35 am |
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bear, Loss or cost can be shared or not, and it can also be increased. My daughter was for a time close to a friend who has just lost her mother. This story becomes very bad with the latest news. The mother is lost in the sense that she went for a walk and did not return, and this not completely unexpected because the mother was suffering from depression, which is something familiar to a lot of women; a lot of mothers. She may have relapsed into extreme mental illness and the family is well aware of that possibility. More than a week has gone by already. My wife and I tried printing and posting fliers locally, whereby people who are called transients, those who are willfully homeless, or whatever, wander: near a local soup kitchen type business. I can't really rap my head around the position that the family is in, not knowing the full extent of the woman's condition. I know that she is a small, kind, frail, sweet, little woman that is very shy and polite, caring, when I've met her, which was not often. She has, I've heard, a turbulent side to her. This is not like, I've said to myself, and my wife, like losing your keys. The news became very bad when the Sheriff (government), so called, limits their power of will to "help," by targeting the family as suspects and zeroing in on the daughter. I do not know the full story, as if I were present during any exchanges in the matter, but to me the proof of Legal Crime is undeniable at this point, as the number of people joining the so called government for good reasons dwindle and as those who are employing the apparatus for personal gain at the expense of innocent people increase. When keys don't want to be found, they can't actually find ways to hide, they don't wander off, and more often then not they show up exactly where they were put after they were no longer needed at that time. Our niece who works at a Las Vegas Hospital offered avenues by which hospitals could be called and alerted, to look out for this and that specific type of person that typically ends up in a hospital. My reasoning for relaying this information includes the concept of confession, of being powerless, knowing that someone closer will inspired more thoughts and actions geared toward knowing better as to where and how the loved one is managing in whatever conditions that may exist in the vastness of unknowing. I don't know how I will manage in similar conditions, but seriously, why do you think the so called Sheriff would limit the investigation to suspicion that the family members, and in particular the mirror imagine of the mother, a very frail looking teenage girl, somehow perpetrated a crime? This is a lot to dump onto someone else, and my aim is not to unload the trouble. I think it may be a good idea to realize, better, who the authorities are; in fact. In other words it makes sense that someone claiming to be an authority is no such thing until that person can produce the evidence in fact. Now your words return to me, and I can repeat them, and I can claim to understand, in my own way, what you are trying to say. My words fail me as I erase what I have written as if I can know the depths of what anyone else feels.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31st, 2013 11:42 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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I went through the book once. There were a few things I changed, having found a missing letter in one case. I changed the size of the bear words to 16 for greater balance. Page numbers now total 174 because of the larger front. I think I can probably go through the book one more time, and then I think it will be ready for printing, but I can ask for your help one more time, at your say so, to send it back to you for a final check before the offer of artwork is sent to the printer. Will you agree to look at the book one more time?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31st, 2013 07:46 pm |
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Yes, Joe,Will you agree to look at the book one more time? but, I might not be as fast as you are, but I will do my best. Is there any way to find another page to add Joe's Slaw? If not, is there any room on the last page of the index page?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31st, 2013 10:43 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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bear, I see that you are on the forum, which is making me smile, and I don't know why. Please have as good an evening as is humanly possible.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31st, 2013 10:51 pm |
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Joe, When I open the document at my end the page count shows to be 175. Does it say 174 or 175 at your end? While you are looking, can you look at bear words. I am thinking there is too much space between each line. I would like to change line spacing to be exactly 16 points. That moves the lines closer together and makes bear words look more like spacing of Joe words. I think maybe when the font was smaller it didn't look so out of place, but now I am thinking it would be better for bear word lines be closer together. Is that OK with you? If so, it will probably change the page count to 173  (That is by doing the change globally, but I haven't checked each page yet to see how the document re-paginated.)What say ye?
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| Posted: Thu Aug 1st, 2013 07:22 am |
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bear, I counted the pages not numbered and added that to the page numbering. I sure could have miscounted. I think you are right about the bear words spacing: in need of fixing. I did not know how to fix it, and I thought it might be fixed with some final format process. Some words show up far apart in some sentences and other words are close together as if the formatting process is automatically adjusting sentence or paragraph length. If you can figure out how to normalize all of those things then there may be room for a recipe. Did you have a copy of a Joe's Slaw recipe already saved? I can write another one if needed.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 1st, 2013 12:35 pm |
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Hi Joe, The page count shows up in the bottom left corner of the screen when I am in Word 2010. It shows in something called the status bar which is a light blue bar that goes across the bottom of the Word file. I don't know if it one has to turn it on, or if that bar is always present. When I right click on the bar a menu titled "customize status bar" comes up. I notices that my page number and word count options are checked. Anyways, that is how I know the page count of the documents. It says "page 1 of 175" if I am on the very first unnumbered page, or if I am on the very last page of the document is says "page 175 of 175," or whatever page I happen to be on it gives that page number and then the total page count. --------------------- I don't have a saved copy of Joe's Slaw, so if you can send it, I can figure a place for it and if you want it moved from where I include it, we can then move it. Also, when I was talking about the line spacing, I was speaking of the actual space between the word lines as in: single space or double space. I wasn't speaking of the space between words. That is automatically controlled by the right margin justification feature which makes all the lines of words end at exactly the same margin. However, I am thinking about changing bear word size to 15 which may help make the words not be spread out so much. Since I changed the spacing between the lines the 16 size appears larger than Joe Words. Anyways, I will mess with formatting a little, and then send the doc back to you to let you see if you like the looks of the font size/spacing, then when I have your OK, I will start reading and making corrections if I should find any more. Does that sound OK? I smiled when I saw I made you smile. Smiles are contagious. They are easily exchanged at Walmart, and I notices that nowadays we are all so busy in our own little rushed worlds that we no longer smile at one another, as in saying, "Hi." I notice it brightens peoples faces when I give them a smile. A very free and easy thing to do when I remember. I read a book one time that said to sing and be happy when doing housework as it affects the children in a positive way. I am grumpy sometimes instead. ...
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| Posted: Thu Aug 1st, 2013 01:54 pm |
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bear, I saw only size 14 or 16 for bear words, 15 sounds right. I can type out Joe's Slaw here and then cut and paste form here to the word file? Is that better or do you want me to send a one page word file through e-mail? Joe's Slaw Ingredients Cabbage Red Cabbage Celery Carrots Onion Red Onion Cucumbers Radishes Garlic Habanero peppers Jalapeno peppers Mayonnaise Red wine vinegar Olive oil Ground black pepper Ground sea salt Red pepper Preparation I don't have a set ratio measured out for any ingredients. Half a Cabbage head sliced against the grain to produce thin and long pieces for both regular and red cabbage. Cut around the heart in the center and end up with a square of cabbage heart discarded. Handfuls of cabbage are placed in one of two large mixing bowls. Vinegar is poured onto cabbage in the bowl to start soaking. Carrots are shaved into long and thin shavings with a peeler and I have yet to put in too many carrots, it takes awhile to shave a big pile of carrots. Handfuls of carrots can be thrown into the second bowl and a handful of cabbage can be thrown on top of each handful of carrot shavings. Radishes are cut in halves or fourths depending upon the size of the individual radish. I buy two batches of fresh radishes, but I don't use the entire second batch. Ilike to eat a radish as a snack, so the extra goes in a plastic sandwich bag. The size of the pile of radishes is about the size of the pile of celery and the size of the pile of cucumber pieces which are cut lengthwise in quarters and then cut into cucumber cubes. Piles of radishes, cucumbers, celery, and a small pile of finely diced onion or thin sliced stringy onion, are hand mixed from bowl to bowl. Half full bowls are then sprinkled with sea salt, black pepper, red pepper, diced up garlic, habanero, and jalapeno peppers. A large blob of mayonnaise is put in each bowl and some olive oil. More hand mixing. I use glass bowls with plastic tops and everything fits in one large bowl: refrigerate. Comments I have yet to fail to eat the whole bowl myself, sometimes transferring the remains into a smaller bowl, and so far the fresh crunchy ingredients do not sit long enough to become soggy. The mixture does appear to become radioactive as the odor will fill the room and seep out of the skin as perspiration after consumption. I use plenty of garlic to keep the vampires away. Joe's Slaw breath is not conducive to romantic encounters with the significant other. Often, but not always, I add mixtures of hot sauces in a serving bowl and I drink the excess liquid. Unlike my mom's Coleslaw mine is not merely moist. Yes smiles are powerful messages that are supplied to fill a demand.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 1st, 2013 02:14 pm |
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Joe, crying is contagious too?I have yet to fail to eat the whole bowl myself, sometimes transferring the remains into a smaller bowl, and so far the fresh crunchy ingredients do not sit long enough to become soggy. The mixture does appear to become radioactive as the odor will fill the room and seep out of the skin as perspiration after consumption. I use plenty of garlic to keep the vampires away. Joe's Slaw breath is not conducive to romantic encounters with the significant other. Often, but not always, I add mixtures of hot sauces in a serving bowl and I drink the excess liquid. Unlike my mom's Coleslaw mine is not merely moist. I am dying laughing here. OK on a serious note, I love it! Your typing right here on your forum is sufficient. I'll cut and paste to the book after you take a look per the formatting notes below. Yes, word only shows even font sizes, but one can type the font size they wish, such as 15 in the font size area and hit enter and the text (assuming the text has already been highlighted) will change to the custom size. If my memory serves me right one can even put in 15.5, but I don't have the document open to check my memory at the moment. I now in the process of sending the doc back. I made the following format modifications: changed bear words to size 15 as well as exactly 15pt line spacing. I would like you to look at the first two chapters page by page as I have made some format changes that I will do throughout if you like the appearance. Removed a return under the Joe quote and also added ~ ~ ~ beneath the quote at the top as well as before bear quotes to show the discussion moving along as you answer to bear words. ...
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| Posted: Thu Aug 1st, 2013 03:15 pm |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 1st, 2013 10:26 pm |
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Joe, do you want me to make editing notes here on your forum?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 2nd, 2013 12:20 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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bear, Yes, if you think the editing is instructive. I read them, but I don't know if they sink in after reading the first time.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 2nd, 2013 01:35 pm |
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Hi Joe, I wasn't so concerned about punctuation changes or editing correct, but that I may make changes that you might like to know about. (some of these things have shouted at me each time I have edited, but for some reason this time around I feel the need to change them.) I have not done a complete read yet, these items jumped out as I was working on formatting text: ---------------- This section always seemed a little awkward to me, and I also found that there was an error when I went to make it more readable as I had declared the second link a video. from: Watch Video: Storm Clouds Gathering4 Watch Video: The Natural Rights Foundation5 (bear links) "Will you see what you think of the video…less than 15 minutes." to: "Will you see what you think of the video…less than 15 minutes :"Storm Clouds Gathering4 from The Natural Rights Foundation.5 ----------------- Each time I read this I wanted GW's name added, but didn't do it till this time around. So this is a modification to Joe Words. from: “Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists”6 to: “Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists”6 —George W. Bush ------------------ This change was just because the original seemed awkward: from: “To me it is like you telling me, ‘I don’t care what color the Republicans say they are. I say they are blue. They were blue and they are blue. I don’t care if everyone else now says they are red because they changed from blue to red. Don’t you dare call them red! They are blue.’ “And I say, ‘When a rose changes colors it is time to take note and change words.’” to: “To me it is like you telling me:
--------------------- I added The Lord Jesus Christ here because I wanted to be clear Whom I was speaking about. from: It is this God Who has all power, and it is His Son, Who can set you free, so that you can be: Free indeed. to: It is this God Who has all power, and it is His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who can set you free, so that you can be: Free Indeed! --------------- So, I am not so worried about talking to you about benign punctuation changes or error corrections, but am more concerned that you know when I am making textual modifications. What do you think? Should I let you know about these types of changes, or would you pick them up yourself when you do a reread after I have finished?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 2nd, 2013 02:45 pm |
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Joe, I am hoping you also see the information in the post above this one. Do you have an understanding of whether the first page of the book submission should be blank? I am uncertain of this and we are starting the first page as the title page. But when you open a book, the title page is on the right side, not the left. Do you understand what I am taking about?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 2nd, 2013 08:18 pm |
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bear, Changes look good. I agree that the Title page should be on the right. In my copy of The Science of Society there is a blank first page on both sides, and a blank page on the next page (first side of page 2), then there is a photo of Stephen Pearl Andrews on the back side of page 2, then there is a the Title page on the first side of page 3. I think it is a good idea to leave the first page blank on both sides, and then the title page starting on the first side or front side of page 2. Does that sound right?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 2nd, 2013 09:40 pm |
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Joe, Call me crazy, but I am not liking the bear font anymore. It seems to look just like the italics of Times New Roman. It is kind of bothering me. Does it bother you? Thank you for info on Title page. I'll format accordingly.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 3rd, 2013 10:24 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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bear, Since the font is bothering you, it can, eventually, bother me. My suggestion is to change the font to a few other (less bothersome) types and save those edited versions with another file name. Then have as close to actual size examples shown side by side on your computer screen to see if you can better understand what constitutes the cause of bother. I thought it was very well done to have differences in font for the different people offering words. I did not pay much attention to how those words appeared in context of my feelings at the time. I really think you are finding talent in writing and editing.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 3rd, 2013 11:29 am |
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Thanks Joe, To be a little more transparent, it was bothering me last time around, but I did not say anything because we had already agreed on that font and I didn't want to be too picky. (And it almost appeared to me that the font was not the same as when I chose it while I was in the process of editing after I chose it - sometimes I think I am crazy )I looked for a few fonts then to make a new suggestion and it seemed to hard to find a new one. But this time, I think I can. The editing is going smoothly. I am already on page 36 out of 174. And I have already done formatting changes throughout the whole document and have re-paginated the first few pages to give blanks in the appropriate places. I do think that after I finish reading, I will read again, as some of the punctuation changes I made last time seem clunky, so I am making some changes, and I want to go back thru and see if they seem clunky a 2nd time around. Does that sound OK to you?
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