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| Posted: Tue Jul 17th, 2007 01:46 pm |
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The following is a cut and paste of the current e-mail exchange. It should be self-explanitory: ______________________________________ OK, Joe. Certainly. More below. Joe Kelley wrote: My problem with those who have presented *their* energy currency viewpointS is that they do not agree. Particularly, their philosophy for regulating the circulation does not concur; and my problems with that are many. I therefore propose that we start by you proposing whatever ostensible agreement or disagreement is your viewpoint (which of course may or may not concur with other energy currency advocate viewpointS), and that we engage in a constructive exchange beginning there. Please note that I am really busy with other things for a week or so, and I don't have the immediate time to respond. So why don't you, in a few days or so, introduce a post to PFMPE at Google and we'll take it from there as time allows? Regards, mike
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17th, 2007 02:35 pm |
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It occurs to me to find the time and energy to make this current - right now. I understand the last post now. I will probably be able to understand the last post later. From the current point in time and space my viewpoint goes like this: The power to control money is held by criminals now. Criminals are now using that power to destroy mankind and destroy massive amounts of specific individual human beings. The power to accomplish this massive destruction is maintained by fraud and violence. Without the fraud the violence would be unsustainable. Therefore; the fraud is where the power can be effectively transferred back from the criminals to the innocent human beings currently being destroyed by that power. The fraud is right in front of our faces in plain view. The fraud leaves an unmistakable paper trail. The fraud is the money we use and it is the tool used by the criminals to transfer wealth to them. One of the best documented examples illustrating the fraud, how it works, and what can replace the fraud is found at the following links: http://www.perfecteconomy.com/index.html Read it if you are at all confused about how the world works or if you are at all confused about this current series of letters, words, and sentences that you are now reading. Read that link. It is easy to understand from a principled viewpoint. You do not have to understand the specifics. The principle is simple. Read the link and you will learn. You will process the data and you will have more of the tools that are needed to make sense of our world. Mike represents the People for the Mathematically Perfected Economy. Mike responded to my e-mail where I suggested a current exchange of ideas between a Mathematically Perfected Economy and Energy Currency. That brings things up to the current STATE. The Mathematically Perfected Economy perspective with Mike representing it is now merging with Energy Currency as I represent that perspective. Mike suggests that Energy Currency opposes the Mathematically Perfected Economy. My contention is the opposite. Energy Currency, as I know it, cannot oppose the Mathematically Perfected Economy. This is not a matter of right and wrong. Please look at the labels and begin to know what is being inspected now. Mathematically Perfected Economy Now look at some possible labels that say the same thing: Accurately Accounted Economy Scientifically Improved Economy All that is needed to merge Energy Currency into the Mathematically Perfected Economy is an accurate accounting of (scientifically and mathematically accurate) energy flowing within the economy. Where the Mathematically Perfected Economy and Energy Currency will clash (momentarily) is at the point of production when the medium of exchange is created. Here is where the term currency must be accounted for by any Mathematically Perfected Economy. There must be a currency. There must be a medium of exchange. What is that medium of exchange? What is the form of that medium of exchange? What is the purpose of that medium of exchange? How well does that medium of exchange perform its function? If Mike avoids these questions, at all, then he does so momentarily. Those questions will be answered in any Economy even an Economy run by criminals. Energy Currency suggests that the form of currency can be actual currency because the greater the supply of actual currency the greater will be the purchasing power of that currency because energy reduces production costs. That last sentence is where no one else, not Mike, not anyone with the exception of me - grasps the significance of that viewpoint. The greater the supply of Energy Currency the greater will be the purchasing power of that currency because energy reduces production costs. Mike may be too caught up in his battle against falsehood to entertain any new viewpoints. That is how the crime works and continues to work. Falsehood requires a current expenditure of time and energy (POWER) that leaves those infected power-less. I've been challenged to go to the Mathematically Perfected Economy Forum and present my case. http://groups.google.com/group/pfmpe/topics Server Error
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17th, 2007 03:21 pm |
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http://groups.google.com/group/pfmpe/topics The page loaded. I am not very smart; at times. I am registered. I see the forum. I don't see any button allowing me to post a topic. Returning to my e-mail:
Where? How?
I must review my choices on the site linked.
What are my options for beginning there? I tried "Topic List" as a choice from the page liked by Mike and that choice went here:
That choice whet there twice - so far.
My time and energy is so much less valuable than anyone else's - anyone. I can try again to find a way to begin there. Next choice (backspace from 502 error page and it takes a long time to load): I tried the topic list button again, again laoded the error, again going back slowly to the original page. Nope; this time the error page has no back button option. I'll have to reload the link from Mike's e-mail message.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17th, 2007 03:31 pm |
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I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer; however - I have more experience with forums than most people on this planet. If I am having this much trouble communicating with The Mathematically Perfected Economy, then, how much trouble is the casual forum browser having? Currency, and again any economy beyond the island economy of Robinson Crusoe (before he met Friday), must be included in some form in the economy. Currency is the transer of stuff. I am having something less than a Mathematically Perfected Economic transfer of information here and now between me, an individual, and any representative of The Mathematically Perfected Economy. The page reloaded from Mike's e-mail.
Mike is busy. Will he have the time and energy (power) to process another one of my e-mails? What can I write in my e-mail? I'm going to write a short and concise explanation of energy currency (another one) to be posted somewhere as a beginning of the merge between Energy Currency and The Mathematically Perfected Economy. No trademark here. I'm a 'non-profit' liability corporation - no limit to the liability. Next post will be my intended beginning. I can post it here and send Mike an e-mail linking here. How else can I Mathematically Perfect this Economic Transfer of Energy Currency?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17th, 2007 03:54 pm |
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Once the criminals are exposed for their crime of destroying economic prosperity and in place of their fraudulent currency a Mathematically Perfected currency exists, once that happens, there must be an actual form taken by the Mathematically Perfected currency. The purpose of the new currency will be known rather than unknown. Currently the purpose of the fraudulent currency is to transfer wealth from those who create wealth and to those who create the fraudulent currency. The purpose of the new currency will be known without question as the accurate transfer of wealth from those who earn wealth to those who earn wealth and avoid transferring wealth to criminals who earn no wealth while leaving the option of charitable transfers of wealth from those who earn wealth to those who cannot earn wealth. If the form of currency cannot do its job accurately, then, another form of currency is needed. If the form of currency cannot accurately transfer wealth from those who earn wealth to those who earn wealth, then, inaccurate transfers of wealth will continue between those who earn wealth and to those who earn wealth. That would not be a Mathematically Perfected Economy. Any questions on that point? If the form of currency cannot accurately avoid unwanted transfers of wealth from those who earn wealth to criminals, then, unwanted transfers of wealth from those who earn wealth to criminals will continue. That would not be a Mathematically Perfected Economy (unless by Perfect one means Perfect Crime). Questions? If the form of currency cannot accurately transfer wealth from those who earn wealth to those who cannot earn wealth as a means of charity, then, no transfers of wealth to those who cannot earn wealth will continue and, again, a Mathematically Perfected Economy will not be realized. That last one may not pass objective scrutiny. The last one can be set aside, to be inspected last, while the form of currency that will replace the fraudulent currency is created according to its specific purpose previously mapped out i.e. Accurate Wealth Transfers between Wealth Creators and the avoidance of Wealth Transfers Financing Criminals. My suggestion is that objective A and B will take care of C. A. Account for Accurate Transfers of Wealth between Wealth Creators B. An end to unwanted transfers of Wealth to Criminals C. Charity This is a big chunk of stuff to expect anyone to read; therefore - I will stop here as I continue to merge Energy Currency with The Mathematically Perfected Economy perspectives. You can join in or ignore this current effort at will.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17th, 2007 08:06 pm |
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Mike, Thanks for your patience. I tried again. The page loaded. I found no place from the first page where the “New Post” .exe option exists. I clicked on the link having the following title (from the first page you linked to me): Mathematic Proof of Mathematically Perfected Economy This: http://groups.google.com/group/pfmpe/browse_thread/thread/2a7fda89e5edfb7f/d3bf370dfe8831f9#d3bf370dfe8831f9 It loaded this: The archive for this group is currently unavailable. We're sorry for the inconvenience. Please try again shortly. Please avoid blaming me for the following observation now being communicated to you accurately: If your message intends to support a Mathematically Perfected Economy and your message cost anyone a whole lot of time and energy to find, never mind discuss, then, the support for a Mathematically Perfected Economy may not exist in this case. I do not wish to discredit the Math, which is sound, I’m trying to support the obvious need to increase the velocity of the message as the message currently flows through the global economy. I’m going to pass on a link (I know you are probably too busy to look at it) but I’m linking JUST in case: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/sanders1.html There is much that is relevant to a Mathematically Perfected Economy on that link. Thanks again Joe -----Original Message----- From: mike montagne [mailto:mike.montagne@advanceis.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:40 PM To: Joe Kelley Subject: Re: Mathematically Perfected Economy [size= ] [size= Actually Joe, things are *sometimes* working now. I've been having trouble with Google Groups all day. m]
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18th, 2007 10:02 pm |
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http://groups.google.com/group/pfmpe/browse_thread/thread/0b00a79f9538f8e3/244eb99436606eef#244eb99436606eef Mike was very patient with me and after two more e-mails the problem was discovered, as, I had to navigate from the first page to edit my profile and on that profile editing page I needed to accept the invitation into the forum. One accepted the "Post New Topic" button loaded. Off and running on that page.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18th, 2007 10:25 pm |
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Your post will appear after it is approved by moderators That didn't go well. What follows is the 'response' to my post:
I sent a response (to be posted or not by the power that is):
At some point I may be forced to kiss ass in my effort to gain accurate transfers of economically useful information; however - if that is needed, then, a cost is added to the exchange that is otherwise avoidable. Why not find people who actually want to trade equitably? I think I'll keep looking. Note: The People for the Mathematically Perfect Economy Site is a vitally important message that everyone needs to read if they don't already know the accurate data contained within that site: http://www.perfecteconomy.com/index.html Don't let the troll under the bridge discredit the facts presented at that site.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18th, 2007 11:29 pm |
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Energy Currency is not merely an idea. It is a perception of reality. A Mathematically Perfected Economy is merely an idea. The Problem with reality is crime. People injure other people on purpose. A Mathematically Perfected Economy eliminates the method of crime whereby money (currency) is used to transfer wealth from the people who create wealth. That is not the primary intent behind A Mathematically Perfected Economy. The primary intent behind A Mathematically Perfected Economy is to accurately transfer wealth from those who produce wealth to those who produce wealth. The exclusion of criminals from those transfers is a side effect. All one has to do is begin adding up some of the tranfers of wealth from the creators of wealth going to the cirminals to see how beneficial A Mathematically Perfected Economy will facilitate economic prosperity. If a crimnal can't earn Purchasing Power and no victims transfer Purchasin Power to criminals, then, criminals have to begin producing wealth or starve. How much does crime cost now? Here is one such account: http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182 The clock is ticking and we are fighting over words?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19th, 2007 12:20 am |
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18036.htm
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19th, 2007 07:17 am |
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What follows is another cut and paste from e-mail. Mike from The Mathematically Perfected Economy site turns out to be a fucking troll of the intellectually dishonest kind. Here is how that works: 1. Create an opposition 2. Construct the oppositions viewpoint 3. Don't listen to anyone 4. Blame everyone with your won created viewpoint 5. Claim to be superior to everyone because everyone (according to you) has the veiwpoint created by you 6. Repeat If anyone is following this (and that may include me when I return to this exchange in the future) then they can note how my question remains to answered from the representative from The Mathematically Perfected Economy. What is the form of the currency? The fucking asshole eludes to something he calls a "note". The 'note' in our modernized economy will probably be a digital 'note' and therefore the term 'note' is outdated. A 'note' is a old school form of currency such as a 'dollar'. A 'dollar' is a 'note' like a gold coin is a form of 'currency'. Has anyone seen those commercials on T.V. these days where the economy is humming along and people are tapping their credit cards onto credit card reading hardware and the whole 'system' is thrown into chaos when someone pulls out a 'dollar'? The Mathematically Perfected Economy is a 'formula' that is beyond question a scientifically factual and provable future reality to strive toward and such a formula can eliminate the frauds used by criminals to over power innocent people. That is the BYPRODUCT of using a Mathematically Perfected Economy FORMULA. The goal is prosperity, not utopia, merely prosperity and the kind of prosperity that is irrefutably possible once crimnals have their currency frauds removed from the economies of free traders - true free traders - not fraudulent free traders. Anyway what follows is the exchange by e-mail between me and an ASSHOLE. You can be your own judge. I care more than to waste time and energy (currency) dealing with ASSHOLES who want nothing more than ARGUMENT for the sake of argument.
Note: Mike's ARGUMENT is published on my site. My transferes of accurate data to Mike are censored off his forum by him. I'm the guy who resorts to calling Mike a Fucking ASSHOLE. I do so because Mike is a FUCKING ASSHOLE. That is called accurate transfers of useful information to me. I'm not the one operating the CENSOR on either end. I am the one ending the exchange on my end; due to an obviouis lack of any value comming from the FUCKING ASSHOLE. The People for The Mathematically Perfected Economy web site, on the other hand, is a very valuable source of accurate information. Read it. http://www.perfecteconomy.com/index.html If it takes a FUCKING ASSHOLE to communcate the message at that site, then, that is what it takes. I'll work the Energy Currency angle of view and if anyone recognizes me as being a FUCKING ASSHOLE, then, please speak up. I will try to adjust my message to eliminate that perception. Thanks for reading my site.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19th, 2007 07:29 am |
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A few more words to 'bookmark' the progress unmade in my dealing with the ASSHOLE: The Form of currency must exist for the currency to be currently flowing throught the economy. That form must have the two vital properties communicated: A. Accurately transfer wealth from creators of wealth to creators of wealth. B. Avoid unwanted transfers of wealth to criminals The first property is the primary fuction of currency. The second property intends to minimize the costs - at least. If the form of currency (the 'note' as the ASSHOLE describes it) must accomplish A. B is going to make or brake the form of currency as a means of accomplishing A. If the above is not understood, then, currency will make no cents for honest hard working people. If the above is not understood, then, currency will continue to be a tool used by criminals to destroy human existance. The stakes are high enough these days to hint at a need to avoid creating more false currency in our world were false currency has nearly ruined human survival. The following is a very good write up on the Energy Currency perspective: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18036.htm If you have any qeustions cocerning the above, concerning Energy Currency, concerning how Energy Currency can be Mathematically Perfected as a Currency, or any questions that can increase the flow of accurate currency and avoid creating more false 'notes', then, please feel free to publish your questions here on this forum. I have a liberal policy on dealing with FUCKING ASSHOLES who want to argue for the sake of argument. I won't censor you off this forum. You may be moved from a thread that you may be currently disturbing. I have yet to test out my forum moderating POWER. Why test it?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19th, 2007 12:06 pm |
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Another bookmark follows as Mike returns another e-mail from him and flowing currently to me. I cut and pasted my reply sent moments ago:
Ending an exchange with a smiley face intends to communcate something specific. I can assume that the specific intention is to express happyness. I can assume that the specific intention is unknowable without accurate communcation flowing currently in some form or another. False currency is currently the rule.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19th, 2007 12:26 pm |
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http://groups.google.com/group/pfmpe/browse_thread/thread/0b00a79f9538f8e3 My assumption was correct. My reply to Mike's published comments concerning Energy Currency was not published on his forum. I sent a reply. The reply was not published. The public exchange was moved to e-mail. The e-mail exchange inspired the person doing the moving to create and then send to me a happy face. Isn't that nice? It is nice how someone can find this type of exchange inspiring. What was the question asked that the happy person found to inspire the accusation of cowardice? What question asked inspired cowardice? Who is too fearful to answer a fear inspiring question? All these questions cannot be answered when the medium of exchange is false, hidden, and secretive. I could go back and answer every single question asked, like going down a laundry list, in the effort to boldly and courageously answer every question asked. That would be as foolish as expecting to continue borrowing wealth from a source that does not create wealth forever. The well dries up. I spent the morning talking to my former working associates and our exchange was perfectly understandable while we used the medium of exchange known as English. The tool used cannot force the user to be honest; however - the medium of exchange can be mathematically perfected to ensure accuracy in the accounting. That last sentence intends to further support The Mathematically Perfected Economy. A Mathematically Perfected Currency will remove the tool used by the crimnals as the criminals siphon wealth from the economy. The removal of the tool used by the crimnals will be perfectly legitimate, true, just, transparent, and facilitated in a free and open market without any need for fraud or force beyond the force applied by honest people as honest people exchange their earned wealth for earned wealth i.e. Purchasing Power. Purchasing Power is the force that will remove the tool used by the criminals. The tool used by the criminals is called currency. It is a false currency; on purpose. The false currency is false on purpose and it focuses criminal energy as criminals use time and energy to steal wealth from the people who create wealth. False currency, the tool used by criminals, can be seen, clearly, as negative energy currency. False currency can also be hidden from veiw and confused. That is how false currency works; hidden from view and confused. A person can look at false currency and see nothing other than currency as if false currency were true, open, honest, accurate, and intending to transfer wealth without the cost of crime added to it. A person looking at false currency and seeing false currency as false currency is less likely to invest in false currency. If you can't see the problem, then, as far as you are concerned; the problem doesn't exist. That may not be obviously convenient for the criminals. It is; even if you can't, won't, or don't see it.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19th, 2007 01:33 pm |
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Joe Kelley wrote:BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED *ANY* OF THEM. Above is probably the end of this exchange. My reply sent to the forum will probably not be published and the above inspires no reply via e-mail.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20th, 2007 05:01 pm |
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But the ultimate power of the US is found in its dollar. As soon as the US dollar was installed as the world's standard unit of currency; the US was able to freely secure the world's commodities including oil. The world's oil supply, although coming from the Middle East and other oil rich countries, is in fact controlled by the US through the NYMEX and IPE oil exchanges. http://grantdwalker.zaadz.com/blog/2007/6/there_will_be_no_election_in_2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21st, 2007 11:53 am |
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http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alexvideos/CAFR-88k.wmv Billions http://www.heartbone.com/various/RedPillVideos.html#D46 Currency works. Currency is designed to work. How about another angle of view? http://kucinich.us/node/2719#comment-10812 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18047.htm Mary, Peace has to be won; wrestled from our own criminal tendencies. The link above may be difficult to digest. My strong suggestion is to read it. After that one, then, read this one: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18048.htm If our world will turn the corner, so to speak, it will need new blood. I mean this in a literal sense. Our species depends upon interconnectivity; like a circulatory system. Our currency is our blood. Clearly, without any question, our current currency (the fed dollar) is a disease upon our society, where, our livelihood is drained from us; leaving us anemic. When our species does turn the corner, again, it will need new blood; a transfusion. This is almost too simple. A new currency produced by a universal law (that doesn’t even need enforcement) can transform a dying social structure into a thriving one. Step one: The new currency can be used to pay taxes Step two: The new currency can be borrowed interest free to pay off primary residence mortgages. Step three: The new currency can be borrowed at 1% interest (financing the production and maintenance of the new currency) for home energy production loans (Solar, Wind, hydrogen, etc.). Step four: The new currency can be borrowed at 2% interest (more revenue to maintain the new currency) for vehicle purchases other than petroleum dependent vehicles. Step five: Defaults on loans increase personal currency costs i.e. Just like current credit ratings where interest rates increase for people with a history of failure to pay back loans. If you have read the first two links and you find my comments to be somewhat less important, then, please reconsider the analogy between a human being and human society; both need blood. Currency in society is necessary for society to incorporate three things: 1. Specialization 2. Division of Labor 3. Economies of scale Without those three things working in any social structure (even a simple family) there can be no survival of that social structure. Without those three things we are all ‘on our own’, where, everything we need, everything under the sun, we alone, individually, must produce our selves. Currency is required (even a very inefficient barter currency) to create and maintain those three things. Currency is society’s blood. No matter who is in charge of society, the law makers, the executers of law, the judges, no matter who, there must be a currency flowing through society. Without a currency flowing through society, just like the human body, parts will die. When the dollar crashes (the infectious dollar) there must be something ready to replace it. If the ‘leadership’ doesn’t know this, and isn’t prepared for this, then, it isn’t leadership. We are digging our own graves with the current currency, and yet, if that current currency drains out of our society – we die – unless a transfusion of new blood is ready for immediate transfusion. Individually, if you look at this, we can begin to get our transfusions flowing, just as described above, by paying off our mortgages, producing our own power at home, and investing in alternate energy consumption. Peace must be won; it isn’t given.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21st, 2007 01:10 pm |
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http://www.heartbone.com/various/RedPillVideos.html#D46 That is a source. The following is a video from that source: http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alexvideos/CAFR-88k.wmv Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports How much wealth is transfered from the many to the few and what is being done with that wealth? http://www.fldfs.com/aadir/statewide_financial_reporting/entirecafr06.pdf 2006 State of Florida CAFR (First one on the list - Googled) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=comprehensive+annual+financial+report Page 38
Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports Quote from the video Expose: I learned the definition of syndicated organized crime right there on the spot and the principle of operations. The principle of operations was anything... Return on investment Two teir accounting Liquid Assests 188 Billion Total Cash Gross Reciepts 17 billion Budget 86 billion in cash Cash additions We have to increase taxes... Does not mention total net worth.... Who taxes the income? What is the gross? What is the net worth? What is the profit? Where does the wealth go? A 1000 percent increase in the revenue taken from society... Buy votes? Tap off 80% of the energy Last edited on Sat Jul 21st, 2007 02:20 pm by Joe Kelley |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 2nd, 2007 02:41 pm |
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18107.htm
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| Posted: Fri Aug 3rd, 2007 12:11 pm |
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz70.html I'm reading the above and wondering. How can I be sooooooo stupid? Once upon a time I respected the message delivered by Vin Supreynoqicz. I can go back and try to find what that earlier message contained or I can simply work with the current message. Example:
The information needed to make an intelligent investment include: A. The cost of the initial investment B. The rate of production C. The rate of income due to sales of production D. The cost of production E. Net income after expenses A coal plant investment that is subsidized is no different than a solar plant investment that is subsidized. Costs are reduced by fraud or force. One of the costs of any investment is the cost associated with false advertisement, misrepresentation, and fraud initiated by criminal competitors seeking to corner the market. Example:
That is an example of a Straw-Man argument where a bogus man of straw is constructed in a manner that creates a weak enemy to be defeated easily by the creator of the weak opponent. This is like a self-made circle jerk between the creator and the imaginary friend. If a coal burning electric power generating business is seeking to expand (exploit) a new market and a Solar and Wind electric generating business is seeking customers in the same location, then, the above type of false propaganda will injure the potential to sell Solar and Wind electric generating products. This will occur even if the Solar and Wind electric generating businesses merely want to sell individual units to individual people within the same location as the Coal Burning Electric Power Generation Limited Liability Corporate State and Federal Stock Trading licensed Entity is currently paying off politicians to gain license to exploit the local citizenry. The question of who owns The Grid becomes a legal matter to be licensed or awarded by some sanctioning body or co-conspirators or elected representatives and words fail to accurately communcate which is which like a self-fulfilling Witch hunt or perpetuatin circle jerk. If an individual ends up with a choice between generating individual electric current at self-sustaining rates for their own consumption and sales to each neighbor off the grid (illegally) or not at all (due to the fraudulent enforcement of crime disguised as law governing the production and sale of electricity), then, the individual has to calculate the cost of operating an electric power generating business illegally (because the competition has invested in the creation and maintenance of fraudulent legal entities that are actually nothing more than organized crime enforcing their monopoly control over every power threatening their power). The cost/benefit analysis comparison between making electriicty with coal or making electricity with light energy (including wind energy) is a analysis that can be done with and without the costs associated with fighting city hall and the legal criminals jerking each other off there. When someone actually produced the accurate data required to make an accurate analysis either way, then, that will arm someone with the required informaiton to make an intelligent choice. Meanwhile the following continues: This comes very close to choosing a course of action based on late-night radio conspiracy theories: "The Detroit-Petroleum Combine has an internal combustion engine that’ll run indefinitely on water, see. They bought up the patent and they’ve been keeping it a secret because if it ever got out it would blow the lid off their whole operation. Nicola Tesla came up with a way to generate unlimited power and transmit it via radio waves with no environmental costs. He proved it when he caused that big blast at Tunguska in Siberia in 1908. So the big power companies had him killed and stole his notes and hid the whole thing away, see, because if it ever got out ..." I do not yet have one of these: http://www.savefuel.ca/  When I can pull myself out of my current jam (health related) I intend to get one and report back on the cost/benefit analysis. Since the picture is worth a thousand words. I'll leave this jerk off for another day and I'll send Vin another challenge via-e-mail. I can cut and paste the following: Vin, Stop jerking please. I can link this site.
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