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| Posted: Wed Mar 9th, 2016 10:12 am |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 9th, 2016 06:44 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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And, we should stop here and consider that term: constitutional. The Constitution of 1789 was unconstitutional. That is well researched and explained here: http://unionstatesassembly.info/index.html In the original (true) federal record are these clarifications: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/ratification/elliot/vol1/approaches/ On the same day, Congress unanimously resolved, “that the respective colonies are entitled to the common law of England, and more especially to the great and inestimable privilege of being tried by their peers of the vicinage according to the course of that law.” They further resolved, “that they were entitled to the benefit of such of the English statutes as existed at the time of their colonization, and which they have, by experience, respectively found to be applicable to their several and local circumstances.” They also resolved, that their ancestors, at the time of their immigration, were “entitled to all the rights, liberties, and immunities, of free and natural-born subjects within the realms of England.” That establishes what is the law of the land; and how due process works. Same link, same original (organic, grass roots, mother of invention being the necessity of defense against the largest criminal army perpetrating the crime of war of aggression) is the following explanation of what is, or is not, a federation: That the question was not whether, by a declaration of independence, we should make ourselves what we are not; but whether we should declare a fact which already exists: Moving to the actual constitution of the actual federation before the criminal (false) federalist party members turned the voluntary mutual defense association (federation) into a despotic tyranny whereby they claim that they are immune - above - the law. Articles of Confederation clearly state: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/artconf.asp Freedom of speech and debate in Congress shall not be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of Congress, and the members of Congress shall be protected in their persons from arrests or imprisonments, during the time of their going to and from, and attendence on Congress, except for treason, felony, or breach of the peace. In a federation, where the people support their individual, independent, Nation States (countries), such as Maryland, New Jersey, Texas, California, etc., the jurisdiction concerning charges of felony, or breach of the peace, falls upon the Justices of the Peace, and their county sheriffs, who command civil and criminal common law powers such as subpoena, indictment, arrest, and trial. Why would anyone need a show trial? Either everyone is subject to the same law, or it is rule by criminal means.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2016 03:10 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Page 17 Perspective Summary:I would like clique members and clique minions to hear of two mandatory sentences upon being found guilty by jury proceedings: That is a clear second example of the failure to know the demarcation line between true, organic, grass roots, natural, law, and the Rule by Men counterfeit version of law. If this Grandfather writing this Perspective understood true law, as in "the law of the land," then he would know that the 1789 Constitution, by his definition of is it "constitutional" or is it not "constitutional" is NOT constitutional. That is best expressed in the words of the first congress as the first congress laid down the true meaning of the term federal. Here: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/ratification/elliot/vol1/approaches/ That the question was not whether, by a declaration of independence, we should make ourselves what we are not; but whether we should declare a fact which already exists: The fraudulent constitution (not openly declaring that the people of America were being sold out to dictatorship) was based upon no authority, there was no authority to write the Constitution of 1789, and there was no authority to enact it. There was no authority, other than criminal deception, criminal threat of aggressive violence, and criminal aggressive violence, afforded to the so called Federalist Party members, for them, in their secret meetings, to make their dirty compromises, dividing up the spoils of their crimes against humanity. The criminals turned rule of law on it's head, enacting the RULE that would force non-slave "owners" and no-slave traders to pay the costs of maintaining the slave trades: African Slave trade, Irish Slave trade, and debt slavery through fraudulent central banking "legal" extortion. Out went rule of law where everyone - all the people including the criminals - had a duty to voluntarily defend the innocent, through due process, where due process applies to every volunteer, and those who don't volunteer are - by their own power of will - outside of said law. In place of rule of law was dictatorship whereby only the dictatorial out-laws were powerful enough to punish anyone that pleases them to punish, whenever they felt like punishing anyone: just ask them who has absolute authority - to make slavery "legal" - and they let you know when they want you to know. So...you ask the criminals that took over, with their criminal constitution, and their criminal Judiciary Act of 1789, if they would, please, hold themselves accountable for their crimes they perpetrate under the color of law, with their "just us" system, and what do you think the answer is going to be: the truth? You then are powerless in your own defense other than mock trials, where you claim to have dictatorial powers to enforce mandatory sentencing? In rule of law the whole country (represented by 12 randomly selected local jurists) determine fact, determine law, and determine punishment, and if the whole country - unanimously - decides to hang the bastards until they are dead, then, unfortunately, that is a whole country of people bent on revenge. Is it not as likely that the whole country (represented by 12 jurists), unanimously, decide instead of "capital punishment," that the best remedy, the best restitution, and the best redemption in this case is to offer the accused, and found guilty, a voluntary way to mend their broken souls? What is missing from modern understanding of rule of law? A failure to learn from the past? So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. Have you read Age of Reason?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2016 03:52 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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While there would be no capital punishment, I believe it is important to send a heavy message to would-be human predators in the future. The deportation feature is a wakeup call that if one betrays one’s country, banishment is the price. And, together with life imprisonment, I wish that Americans will make it understood that the U.S. Constitution is America’s inner compass and they will never again tolerate efforts to tamper with its sanctity. Furthermore, strict penalties such as these in other nation-states would act to prevent any future efforts to destroy the national sovereignty, individual rights, and government by the consent of the governed. That his page 18. Just after this: But before that final gasp, I believe the clique will try one more series of fraudulent schemes to retain its control over its captive governments. The Constitution of 1789 is NOT the Bill of Rights, and NOT the Declaration of Independence, and NOT the original, organic, grass roots, federal, constitution known as The Articles of Confederation, and NOT the individual, independent, state constitutions, all of which are republican in nature (res-publica literally means the public - all the people - thing), which is also democratic (of, by, and for all the people) in nature, and the Constitution of 1789 is NOT the law of the land, legem terrae, trial by jury, according to the common law, due process, for all the people, all the time, without exception, or if there is an exception, such as the exception during open war of aggression by aggressors perpetrating the crime of war of aggression, whereby the exception is to allow congressmen to go to and from congress free from arrest, unless the charge is treason, or disturbing the peace, and since that is NOT any of those other expressions of true law, then what is that Constitution of 1789, whereby slavery was deceptively subsidized by those criminal slave traders? That Constitution of 1789 was, is, and continues to be the nefarious criminal usurpation done by traitors to true rule of law, and employed by current traitors who are currently disturbing the peace, so how is it that the same Constitution is supposed to be our rule of law worthy of our support? We stand upon a fraud, and will defend a fraud, so help us God? The U.S. military and police will see and understand your investigations and symbolic trials. And when they withdraw their support from the clique your battle will be won. Do you not see the box (fraudulent constitution of 1789 and the Judiciary Act of the same year) constructed around all the people place in that box? You are reduced to show trials, fictional trials, where trials are perpetrated under the color of law, and no where in sight are true justified and authoritative trials where the idea is to determine the facts, the law, and remedy, redemption, and restitution, a voluntary offer to any convicted criminal, whereby it is then up to the criminal to voluntarily return to rule of law, and if the convicted criminal by actions, if not by false word, decides to voluntarily refuse to remain inside of rule of law, then by his, or her, individual power of will, they choose to refuse the voluntary mutual protection of true rule of law? Rule of law does not exist, and all that exists is - instead - color of law, which is base, evil, dictatorship, or rule by criminals whose standard processes are but 3 general actions driven by evil thoughts: 1. Deception targeting defensively powerless victims. 2. Threat of aggressive violence targeting defensively powerless victims. 3. Aggressive violence targeting defensively powerless victims. Forget about the Declaration of Independence, which is a clear example of the power of voluntary mutual defense in the act of indicting the crimes perpetrated by the criminals whose crimes are perpetrated under the color of law? The mere act of acknowledging, publishing, being aware of, perceive, knowing, and understanding crimes perpetrated by criminals under the color of law, is in itself, a powerful deterrence against any crime done - under the color of law - because the true color is thereby clearly in view for all the people who choose to see, to see. Example: https://jeffersonpapers.princeton.edu/selected-documents/jefferson%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Coriginal-rough-draught%E2%80%9D-declaration-independence-0 he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it’s most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce:[11] and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another. The Constitution of 1789 is clearly knowable as a fraud in it's own documented existence, it exists as inculpatory evidence documented the criminal actions of the slave traders who infested the Revolutionary American Federal, voluntary, mutual defense, association. So, as a fraud, the Constitution of 1789 strips away both the Declaration of Independence, and the State Constitutions, and the Federal, voluntary, mutual defense associations agreement, known as The Articles of Confederation. Going from strength of voluntary mutual defense of the innocent victims from the guilty criminals, in the form of a Declartion of Independence, and the forms of each independent state voluntary mutual defense agreements known as Constitutions (one state was an unwritten constitution), and going from the defensive strength of a federal, voluntary, mutual defense agreement, in the form of articles of confederation, all of which retain the true law of the land, which is trial by jury, according to the common law, knowable as due process of law, knowable as rule of law, going from that, to a criminal take-over by slave traders, is the collective fate of all Americans since 1789? Is that really, accurately, the desire, the wish, the reasoning, the fate, of all the people, because all the people are gullible, stupid, ignorant, foolish, dumbfounded, unreasonable, people who just follow any dictatorial order without question? Going from demonstrable, mutual, voluntary, defensive, powerful, deterrence, and strength, we the people are led to state capture in the short span of time marked by Shays's Rebellion, the last battle of the Revolutionary War, to the enactment, and enforcement of the Judiciary Act of 1789? 2 years to completely turn the American people from their voluntary mutual deterrence against crime under the color of law to absolute dictatorship? And in over 200 years, still, no one cares to listen to reason, except for a very small percentage of modern day rebels whose fate is to be marked as rebels against color of law ONLY? Anti-federalist, anti-government, anti is the ONLY claim to fame? How about an acknowledgment of the actual message being delivered by any messenger whose personal character is immaterial? Rule of law is precisely what it is, and it is strictly voluntary. No, you say, no, there must be an iron fist covered by a velvet glove, without which there are many iron fists covered by no velvet glove? We know it is all a lie perpetrated by liars that we know are liars, but we must join the liars club, or suffer a worse fate? We don't want to be thrown out into the bright sunlight?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2016 04:11 pm |
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Page 18:All those sort of blatant violations of the U.S. Constitution are going to backfire and just help you get the American public, and the rank and file of the police and the U.S. military focused on what is actually going on. It should be noted that as your activities unfold, it will become evident that certain high ranking police officials and high ranking officers of the U.S. military will begin to stand out and will then become “persons of interest” in your investigations and symbolic trials, which will start to identify the clique minions among them and will create a further groundswell of support from the police and military, based on their sworn oaths to support and defend the U.S. Constitution. They are sworn to defend a fraud? What does that make them? Forget about the Bill of Rights? Is that what this Grandfather is actually supposing to be the "law of the land" and instead of acknowledging common law trial by jury due process, due everyone without exception, including congressmen who may be guilty of treason and disturbing the peace, including the president of congress, instead of acknowledging the true law of the land, this Grandfather is baited and switched to "defend" an ongoing fraud? If the idea is to defend rule of law, a non-dictatorial, non-tyrannical, process due everyone, including congressmen, and including presidents of a federal congress, and including state governors, and including sheriffs of counties, whereby through posse comitatus said sheriff in said county can command any military force necessary in defense of rule of law in said county, to arrest, a treasonous congressman, if the accusation passes the careful judgment of the county justices of the peace, whereby a presentment validating the accusation offers the accused their trial by jury in their defense, if that is the idea, then that idea has absolutely nothing to do with the slave trader deal known as the Constitution of 1789, other than the Bill of Right which have been, are, and will be ignored by those "defending" the slave trading document know as the Constitution of 1789. The Judicary Act of 1789 was passed under the color of law before the Bill of Rights, by the slave traders who took over the voluntary federation, turning the voluntary federation into a dictatorship. Is that what is being defending in point of fact when people offer their Oath to defend said fraud? Those "oath keepers" mean well, because they think they are defending the law of the land, they think they are defending rule of law, they think they are defending the Bill of Rights, they think they are defending a process exemplified in a Declaration of Independence, yet they are fooled by a wicked parlor trick into defending a known fraud? The same known fraud used by numbers of frauds beginning with George Washington and his Executive Order to invade Pennsilvania to enforce the collection of extortion payments in his Whiskey Rebellion Proclimation? The same known fraud used by numbers of frauds including the traitor John Adams who reinstated the British Admiratly Summary Justice debt collection oragans, and suppression of truth, with so called Alien and Sedition Acts? The same known fraud used by numbers of frauds including the traitor Alexander Hamilton whose counterfeit National Debt scheme franchised the previous British criminal fraudulent National British Debt Collection Agency? Take the oath and become anoher willing, ableit misdirected, obedient enforcer of color of law hidden behind a thin and thinning false claim of voluntary mutual defense association, knowable as federation, knowable a rule of law, knowable as the law of the land, knowable as due process for all the people all the time? Parlor tricks that are easy to see but not so easy to render powerless?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10th, 2016 06:31 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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There is a need to create awe in the minds of the clique members and their minions. I'm not letting go of true rule of law (voluntary mutual defense association), and the above looks like "shock and awe" which is part and parcel to what can be understood as criminal rule, or despotism, or crime under the color of law, or tyranny, or might makes "right," or any other label that accurate accounts for (indicts - as in declaration of independents) the criminals for their crimes which include treason and breach of the peace, and the accused, if found guilty, are offered remedy, restitution, and redemption. Why use the criminal methods of shock and awe created by inventing a false, misleading, fictional, trial? Why not learn from history as to the right way to effectively deter crime with examples of offering the criminals their just accounting process? Step by step: Elect justices of the peace in each county, of the people, by the people, and for the people. These justices have jurisdiction both criminal and civil, in their county, and they are called upon to validate all accusations by any accuser accusing anyone, and most importantly anyone accused of treason, disturbing the peace, under the color of law, which is the necessity created by criminals perpetrating crimes under the color of law, whereby voluntary defenders of the public liberty volunteer to be justices of the peace, and they constitute grand jurors, who represent the accuser, validating the accusation, creating a lawful, valid, presentment, which is then transferred to the existing county government, which would be the county sheriff, in cases where a county judge is normally authorized to handle the presentment, and it is the judge who is accused of aiding, abetting, lending moral support to, and lending material support to the enemies, foreign and domestic, of the public liberty. The sheriff has - by the true meaning of posse comitatus - jurisdiction over any military force of any kind within the county, including militia, including Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, National Guard, State Police, City Police, and of course the office held by the County Sheriff, in any case where the offer offered to the accused (presumed to be innocent) is rejected by the accused, whereby said rejection constitutes a willful, premeditated, decision, by the accused, to reject rule of law, and the Sheriff, with said posse, arrests, and holds, outlaw for trial by jury according to the common law. What? No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation. No person inside the law has any reason to reject an offer to clear their name when rule of law is the law of the land, where common law trial by jury is the only way to establish a lawful fact that sets in motion any government action against any person under rule of law. When the criminals take over, and when assassination (murder) is the result of merely speaking out against the criminal government, there is no Rule of Law. People are "arrested" (kidnapped) routinely, as a matter of due course when criminals take over voluntary government. When rule of law in in force then my accusation, whatever it may be, including a accusation I may make against a congressman in my county, which is a federal district, is (as a matter of due course) validated (if it is valid) by the grand jury in my district. What happens if the grand jury in my district hasn't even been formed by the people in my district? The answer is abundantly clear is it not? The only accusations that are validated, in the absence of rule of law, in the absence of justices of the peace in every county in the former federation, are accusations that serve the purposes of the criminals who took over the true government.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11th, 2016 04:53 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Confusing two ideas as if both ideas are the same thing is possible in this case. Idea 1: Earn a living, which means a path through life where giving your time and energy to help other people is reciprocal as other people then give their time and energy to help other people, and "earning" is measurable by some accurate measure. That means that no one is fooled into a false belief that a thief claiming to be giving something is actually giving something when they are in fact taking something. Idea 2: Make "money" because "death and taxes" requires from everyone (love it or leave it) their requirement to obey (without question) the demand to pay these taxes with this specific "money" that must be paid or else the delinquent "tax evader" will be paying their "debt to society" with cruel and unusual punishment of some kind, so as to demonstrate to everyone else what will happen for failure to "make money."
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