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| Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2011 05:28 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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In answer to the posts added to this thread: No independent action will happen without independent thought, and so why not dream up your own independent action? Answer: You have yet to regain control of your thinking, so you can't act independently. So long as individuals are connected to other individuals through the current forms of connection so long will there be an enforced dependency, because that is the design of the connection. A. Involuntary Connection B. Voluntary Connection. That is as simple as it gets, and to address the separate comments posted I can do so from my independent perspective explained above, it may be your perspective too, I think not, based upon the responses. 1. Are laborers really that weak that anyone can just walk all over them? Since the connecting medium is designed to be involuntary the individuals who are connected are weakened by that connection, and the contrasting opposite form of connection would cause each individual to regain the power that has been lost as a result of being connected involuntarily. A weak laborer is only a weak laborer in the sense that there is an involuntary connection to a weak employer, due to the nature of the form of connection, which is an involuntary connection. The monopoly power employes everyone, from the top down, by design, that is how an involuntary connection is designed to work, and the laborers are as dependent upon the employer as the employer is dependent upon maintaining the involuntary connection. In other words: It is a master/slave form of connection. Without slaves, there is no master. Without employees there is no employer. Contrasted, in other words: A voluntary association does not enforce opposition, by design, so as to cause that dependency, on the contrary, there is neither master or slave, or there is (addressing semantics) master volunteering to be a master over a volunteer slave, but as soon as the slave decides not to be a slave, there is no master, and no slave, and there is no involuntary employer, without voluntary employees, when the design of the connection is voluntary, instead of the design of the connection being involuntary. Laborers are employers, employers are laborers, both are as strong, or as weak, as they are to their own capacity, there is no "passing on costs" from one to the other, by design, since the connection is voluntary, not involuntary. Step out of the involuntary clap trap, and see it for what it is, and where do you go, once you are out of the involuntary clap trap? You may then see that an idle person, someone unemployed, has no force working against him, or her, in finding employment, including no force working to take his power and use his power, or her power, to cause his, or her, competition to be more powerful. What does that look like? What would explain a lack of employment opportunity within a voluntary association? What would explain an over abundance of ready, willing, and able people ready to employ themselves? A laborer can print up, and trade, labor notes as money, or stocks in his ability to produce, as money, or any word that labels the invention, production, and maintenance of his, or her, individual example of competitive purchasing power, which is a power that is as strong, or as weak, as the individual is capable of producing the power to purchase, anything, anytime, anywhere, once the connection is no longer an enforced involuntary connection. Step out of the box, the hell hole, the enforced rat race to the bottom, and see that it is an option, and the often repeated "death and taxes" being inevitable is part of the enforcement mechanism, a damn lie. 2. So what are you proposing? I can understand that the question above was not asked of me, but I'm going to answer it anyway. An illustration of a proposal that can work is such: A date is declared to be the date at which time all the honest productive people are no longer going to accept an involuntary association, a new independence day, and I can illustrate that declaration with a proposed date. July 4th 2012 Once announced, and once accepted by one other person, the ball begins to roll toward that day. As more people accept that day, more people add their declarations, their own announcements of agreement to no longer accept an involuntary association. As that day approaches a few things will become abundantly clear, things that are part, and parcel, to the involuntary association that is obviously in force presently, and it is obviously growing even more powerful, at a rate that is accelerating, where even the rate of acceleration is accelerating toward absolute despotism, which is not unknown by mankind, as there are plenty of examples in history, not limited to Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, or Pol Pot Cambodia, all of which were financed by The Dollar Hegemony. The most obvious medium of connection is The Dollar, and that will become abundantly clear as people begin to take the steps necessary in reaching the goal by July 4th 2011, and therefore there will be competitive offerings of replacement currencies, and replacement people maintaining the replacement currencies. Simply put: The Federal Reserve System of Extortion will be phased out, and something of higher quality and lower cost will be operating after July 4th 2012, on schedule, and there is plenty of time from now until then to run the contest that weeds out all the low quality, and high cost, competitors, arriving at the few best competitors by July 4th 2012. On July 4th 2012 the new, voluntary, connections will be working, and the old regime will be avoided. An illustration of what the new regime will be, is in order, and my offering, which may, or may not resemble the voluntary connecting medium that does force out, peacefully, the lesser competitors, addresses the food question, as well as many other questions concerning independent power. My competitive (or not competitive enough) example of an illustrative voluntary connecting medium is offered in the form of two legal monetary products that I call Product 1, and Product 2. Product 1 is a legal denomination of legal value, which can be called a dollar, but it isn't the same issue as The Federal Reserve System of Extortion dollar, it is merely what it is, and it isn't anything secret, and it isn't anything unaccounted, it is, only, loans, and it is only loans that are denominated in a specific value of tax debt, which can be tied to something, a dollar, a gold ounce, a watt of electricity, or all three at once. The loan will be tied to the dollar at first because it is a loan that is used to buy an existing mortgage. Product 1 is a loan, offered to anyone, so as to pay off, or restructure, an existing loan, or to buy an existing home, or buy an existing business property, with the idea that the user of the new money issue will then have legal title of their own home, the land that is on their own home, and their own business property, and the land that their own business property is on, and there is no interest charged to the owner of these properties, unless the borrower has proven, beyond a shadow of doubt, to be a bad risk, and therefore a person who is not going to pay back the loan, in which case the interest charge is charged like an insurance fee, to cover the costs of having to repossess, following default. If the borrower does pay back the loan, including the added insurance payment, the borrower regains a measure of "good faith and credit" thereby reducing the cost he, or she, charged for earning a bad risk, which is now a case of earning less bad risk, and these calculations are already used to some degree within the involuntary connection. All the honest productive people are offered a no interest loan, so as to restructure their involuntary association loans, or so as to begin living in their own homes, and begin running their own businesses, if they are so inclined. That alone, that one product alone, will work to illustrate what can happen well before the new independence day, so as to be ready to make happen that which is declared to be what will happen on the new independence day July 4th 2012. You don't have to work the aggregate numbers, just know how that works for your own life, in your own time, and then times that estimate by whatever number of people will be doing the same thing. Many honest productive people will no longer be sending one extra home cost to the people running the banking extortion racket. That is not the total fix, as illustrated by Product 1 and Product 2. Product 2 ties up a few loose ends. Product 2 is the money maker for whomever volunteers to produce and maintain Product 1 and Product 2, and the design of this competitive legal money product is such that the people who do volunteer to produce and maintain Product 1 and Product 2 are legally allowed to collect 1% interest from those who have proven that they will pay back every cent borrowed. 1% of a lot of loans is a lot of power to purchase flowing to the people who volunteer to go into that business; whereby they are awarded the legal license to produce, and maintain Product 1, and Product 2. Product 2 loans are loaned out to people who pay back loans, you should know these people, they are the people who make up The Good Faith and Credit of the United States of America (LLC). Why can't they borrow from their own good faith and credit right now? The accurate answer is that the Legal Criminals have America on the Bust cycle on schedule. Product 2 loans are loaned out specifically for purchases that are currently calculated as investments whereby the return on the investment is calculated to be in excess of 1%. In other words you, and anyone with good credit, can get a Product 2 loan, for 1% interest charged to you, so long as you buy something that returns to you more than the money you borrowed, at least more than !% more than the money you borrowed, and there are many things that fall into this category of investment. Such as: 1. Solar Panels 2. Electric Cars 3. Modular Vertical Farming Green House Units 4. A Farm I know some of the numbers on the first 3, and in the case of the Solar Panel: the return on investment exceeds 100%, not just 1%. Electric cars are as easy to compute, since the prices of electric cars are market prices of all cars, including gasoline powered cars, and the price of fuel for Electric cars are 80% less than the current market prices for gasoline made with petroleum. That is also well in excess of a 1% gain on investment, and therefore well in range of qualifying for a Product 2 loan. The 3rd example addresses the following: Food industry being dependent on oil and so much land is the core issue. Food's a necessity for us, so we should aim to produce it as self-sufficiently as possible, so that no one could make us slaves because they hold the food we eat. Independent home grown food out of a Modular Vertical Farming Unit is cheaper than current food prices, and the food is higher in quality, since the growing process is isolated from most of the forces that cause food quality to go down, such as attacks by insects, for one example. I've tracked one producer of Modular Vertical Farming Units, and their hold up has obviously been the result of contact with the Legal Criminals running The Federal Reserve System of Extortion, as that company of people have been starved for cash, which is a very familiar story. While that company is starved for cash there are companies that make depleted uranium projectile weapons having no such trouble, for some strange reason. A person can begin preparing for July 4th 2012, any person, in America, and by July 4th, 2012, or soon after, that person fits this bill: 1. Home mortgage costs cut in half, and instead of paying the Legal Criminals for "borrowing", the home owner pays himself back for his own damn good faith and credit. 2. A new business, such as making, installing, and maintaining Solar Panels, Modular Vertical Farming Units, or any number of new powerful competitive businesses being invented is now working for every person taking advantage of that opportunity once it is an opportunity. 3. Electric power, and transportation power costs reduced by much greater than 1% less. 4. Food costs reduced, as new independent home farmers begin to flood the market with much better food at much lower prices. You tell me why that doesn't work for you. I can't guess, without pointing out the obvious resort to deceit, threats of violence, or the firm belief in the necessity of injuring targeted innocent people.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2011 12:43 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://lewrockwell.com/block/block182.html Honest Productive Americans, Coincidentally the link above mentions a choice for Vice President that isn't meant to put the vice back into Vice President, and that choice was also my choice. Here is the choice according to the link above: Karen Kwiatkowski. She is a retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel and a regular contributor to LewRockwell.com. She is currently running for the 6th District of Virginia House seat. Her place on the ticket would underscore, ever the more, that of all Republican candidates for president, Ron Paul not only receives the most donations from members of the U.S. military, he garners more from this source than all of the others put together. If her presence on the ticket will not banish forever the calumny that Dr. Paul is "weak" on defense, then nothing will. If Hillary is Obama’s VP choice in 2012, Colonel Kwiatkowski’s presence on the Paul team will help counteract that perceived benefit. However, Congressman Paul will not choose her for that reason. He will do so, if he does, because he trusts Karen Kwiatkowski to promote liberty, freedom, and constitutionalism. Can you imagine the magnificent thrashing Karen will give Hillary in a Vice-Presidential debate!?! Here is me being ahead of that curve: http://www.power-independence.com/view_topic.php?id=672&forum_id=2&page=1 At the second post I linked "VP Choice still", which is this link: http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski262.html We may safely view recent events in Egypt as a living revelation that the U.S. government stands shamefully in a nasty group of "governments," that includes the unelected and unpopular religious government of Iran, the corrupt state capitalism of China, the elected warmongerers in nationalist Israel, and many less important dictators in Africa and East Asia. The Egyptian people, on many levels, have pulled away the curtain, revealing American hypocrisy and the hard-core interests of the American ruling elite. The veteran is up to speed, and a valuable resource in the battle to avoid those things that destroy Liberty. A very good choice for VP, on many levels, and most importantly on the level whereby someone having worked in the Military lends a link when communication with the people in the Military is needed. It will be vital to the next president, assuming that the next president represents Honest Productive Americans, which include The Honest Productive Military Soldiers, of all ranks, in America, to promote the Honest ones, and demote those who have proven not to be friends of Liberty, and having the right link to the Military in the office of vice president will facilitate that goal expediently. I have yet to read the rest of the link at the top of this page, and before doing so a few thoughts on the choice for vice president is in order, offered for your consideration. The road back to Liberty, following a path from abject slavery, where we are now, back to something resembling a Republic, will be a very dangerous path, and cross hairs will likely be seeking those who are moving best on that path back to liberty, certainly a president and vice president gaining the office of the Nation State power apparatus, where the president can name anyone as a terrorist, at will, and then have that targeted individual spirited away to some dungeon, to be tortured for fun, or for confessions, or to cause a very slow and painful death. Those who are guilty of those legal crimes, have become very powerful to get to that point, where they can make torture, and mass murder legal, and get away with it for so long, and therefore they will know the score, and they will feel the heat, and they already know what must be done, and they will act upon that knowledge, and I'm not ignorant about this, and I'm not stupefied by this knowledge, and this understanding helps in the effort to choose a vice president. The vice president has to be impeccable, as a replacement in case the enemies of Liberty succeed in eliminating a president who is on the side of Liberty. The right vp is essential so as to carry the torch, and to balance the scale, and to be the president as required in this struggle, and that vice president candidate must also know the same score, the same risk, the same target placed on the same office for the same reasons. That vice president choice, that person, knows the score, read the words written, and see how those words are genuine, honest, accurate, and effective. If a president is hired for the quality of honesty, rather than for dishonesty, so must be the vice president. Yes or no? I would interview candidates for vice president and I have a go or no go rule. Does the person understand the goal; which is to remove all remnants of involuntary association from the working Democratic Federated Republic in this work to avoid the forces that destroy Liberty? If the answer is no, or I don't understand, and if after explaining, step, by step, how that road can be traversed, and the answer is still an obvious I don't understand, or no you can't do that, and there is no reasonable explanation of why that can be done that way, then I'll look for someone who can get the job done, even if they have a different method. I see no reason why, from what I know so far, that Ron Paul would not pass the same test. Ron Paul would make a very good Vice President. He is working the same goal, as far as I can tell, and he is even using a very similar, if not principally the same, path. The path, principally speaking, is to make monetary competition legal within the Federation; which is the removal of draconian laws. That is principally the same goal, and that is principally the same method, my method offers a different initial competitor to help get the ball rolling. Ron Paul offers a return to gold as the Federal governments legal money, which will certainly place a very strict, hard money, limit on Federal spending, and so long as Ron Paul keeps his promise, to remove the legal tender laws, and allow competitors in money markets to compete, so long will his method work the same as mine, as the quality of money will be forced up, by competition, and the cost of money will be forced down. A Federal government shackled with a competitive gold standard may actually become the winning competitor, and it may not, let the chips, or gold coins, fall as they may. Which money will the Federal government accept as payment of taxes? Think. Use your brain. If there is a return to a working Democratic Federated Republican form of government, a competitive, experimental form of government, by design, instead of a Nation State Dictatorial Slave State, then you have to know by which method the Federal government is financed. 1. Nation State = Taxation of individual human beings, people, such as the method of direct taxation, an involuntary income tax, payable in one, and only one single, money, and no other money, just the one monopoly money produced by the Nation State Bank. 2. Democratic Federated Republic = Sovereign and Separate State Governments pay into the voluntary association agreed upon, so as to finance the Democratic Federated Republic, an indirect tax. States pay taxes to the Federation, or Republic, not taxes payed directly by The People to the one Nation State. If Ron Paul's version of the Republic returns to a true gold standard, as I understand it to be, then the State governments will have to accumulate gold to pay into the Federation and how each State figures out how to do that is a level of competition among the Separate and Sovereign State governments. There is no Nation State reaching into the pockets of The People, that ends. Ron Paul ends that, and if you don't know yet the full measure of the threat that Ron Paul represents to the Legal Criminals this may clue you in. If each Nation State does not have the nanny state enforcing a money monopoly then any of the individuals who are The People are individuals who can invent their own forms of money, and Ron Paul's Republic will not enforce the destruction of such competition. Ron Paul will not, as far as I know, enforce a law that prevents a State government from enforcing it's own gold standard either. So in Ron Paul's Republic a State within the Republic can collect it's own gold directly from The People in that State, so one State can do that, while another State can avoid that, and that is the force of competition, this Free Market thing, at work within a Democratic Federated Republican form of government. Suppose we look ahead at this Ron Paul Republic, as far as I understand it. Let's suppose. New Jersey has to come up with gold to pay into it's membership into the Republic, and the politicians in New Jersey decide to enforce their own gold monopoly bank routine on the tax payers in New Jersey, making the tax payers pay their State taxes with gold, and only gold. What happens if New York State allows gold and silver? What happens if New Hampshire allows gold, silver, and old Federal Reserve notes, or dollars, as payments for taxes in New Hampshire? Do you get the picture? There will be a fight to enforce an exchange rate. Ron Paul knows how gold works. Gold will be much less susceptible to sudden changes in the total supply in circulation compared to the old Federal Reserve notes, which have suddenly increased by twice the amount, or halved suddenly, as those Legal Criminals manipulated that supply of legal monopoly money to cause booms and busts. If Massachusetts decides to issue it's own experimental currency, to cause a boom in Massachusetts, what prevents tax payers from leaving New York, to join in on the boom? What prevents them from leaving Massachusetts when that boom turns to bust? How do the Massachusetts governors get the gold they need to pay into the Federation? What is the exchange rate between gold and the new Massachusetts paper money? Who enforces, or determines, the exchange rate? Ron Paul get's gold as payment for taxes, from each State, or that State is guilty of not paying into the Federation. What happens, if the State governors default? Ron Paul says, you get no help from U.S., have a nice day? Will the tax payers get tired of moving, grow some balls, and begin to employ their own brains, and their own power of will, invent, produce, and maintain an accurate, powerful, high quality, and low cost money, once it is no longer against the law in Ron Paul's Republic, and will most of them decide to use gold so long as it remains to be better than the competition to date? You tell me.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 9th, 2011 12:17 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Honest Productive Americans, I call upon you today to inform you of something that has just crossed my desk, and I am right now in the process of picking through this data to see if there are things worth knowing within the stream of data. You can judge this as a test upon your future President of The U.S.A., whomever you get in that office. Test them. Test me. Test yourself. The link is a link to a network of people who are on a similar path as the path I choose to be on, which is the path that claims to be working toward liberty, and it will be a path that can be measured accurately as the people on that path progress along that chosen path. There is in that data, from that link, a proposed Presidential Address, which can work as a competitive example. Here is that link: http://www.yesmagazine.org/blogs/david-korten/a-presidential-declaration-of-independence-from-wall-street The title is a good one, since the thing that goes by the name Wall Street is the same thing that I call Legal Crime. I can offer as evidence to the accusation that the thing known as Legal Crime is the same thing as the thing known as Wall Street by offering two links. The next two links help identify the perpetrators of the crime that became known as World War II, and this is important, because the same Legal Crime organization, if not the same leaders of that organization, are now repeating these crimes as they work toward causing World War III. Let no one be fooled into being less than aware of the full measure of the danger ahead, involuntarily. If that is what you prefer, fool, be my guest. Two links: http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/ http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/ The same organized legal crime cartel, which is accurately measurable as a legal banking monopoly, a Dollar Hegemony, have, in the past, caused World War II, and they, those people who make up Wall Street, are fixin' to do a number on us, in the form of World War III, and that is well underway, in a big way, even if you refuse to see it. So that offers a clue, or two, as to the significance of someone offering a competitive Presidential Address that proposes to go after Wall Street head-on, by disconnecting from Wall Street, which is almost the same tactic shared by me, and Ron Paul. Ron Paul's solution, and my solution, is to replace the Wall Street legal money monopoly with legal competition, for reasons that can be made clear to anyone with a working brain, whereby the brain has the capacity for sound, honest, moral judgment. Moving from that competitive Presidential Address this effort can move to the true nature of the proposed solution, looking for either monopoly (criminal) power or legal competition (liberty) power. A quote from the competitive Presidential Address: I have instructed the Secretary of the Treasury to take immediate action to assume control of the Federal Reserve and restructure it to function as an independent, but publicly transparent, federal agency accountable to the president and the Congress. The new federalized Federal Reserve will have a mandate to stabilize the money supply, contain housing and stock market bubbles, discourage speculation, and assure the availability of credit on fair and affordable terms to eligible Main Street borrowers. As President I would not say that, my proposition is spelled out as Product 1 and Product 2, which can be elaborated in great detail, but not here and now. That competitive Presidential Address addresses the Wall Street legal banking monopoly problem by retaking control of the legal banking monopoly, as far as I can tell. Further investigation may uncover useful information. Next link: http://neweconomyworkinggroup.org/visions/living-wealth-money-system That is a detailed description of money. Money is the power to purchase, to me, and if the power to purchase increases, then the quality of money increases. What is the highest quality money? Where is it? Who makes it? Can I copy it? Can we copy it? Why can't we make it? Why can't we copy the highest quality of money? Use your own brain, please. The cost of money is interest. When competition drives the quality of money up, the same force of competition drives the cost of money down, and this is easy to understand capitalist truth. Don't be fooled by the capitalist liars. Why not allow the force of competition to force the quality of money up (which is the power to purchase) while allowing the force of competition to force the cost of money down? Is that not simple? Is that not something a 3rd grader can know, and know well enough to use that vital information? Why are we cherishing our stupidity? I've looked in the mirror, you may want to do so too, before answering that vital question. The next link leads to the area that I have yet to peruse. I'll comment after that investigation. Here is the link (competitive solutions to pressing problems): http://neweconomyworkinggroup.org/visions/living-wealth-money-system/money-system-design-options Should official money originate as bank debt or direct government issue? Wow, there are a lot of vital questions, and I'm going to go directly to the last one on that list, and I can cut and paste the answer offered (once clicking on the link) - then I can offer comments. The shape and function of the money system will depend in large measure on whether it is subject to appropriate public regulation to limit the size of individual institutions, place a ceiling on interest rates, prevent fraud and deception, and support locally rooted, preferably cooperative, ownership in the social enterprise model. The results of a reckless social engineering experiment with financial system deregulation provide an unambiguous demonstration of the consequences of that path. To help the reader know the stakes here, better, I'm going to explain something, and then lead the reader to my next question: What will the best money look like once the best money is produced by whomever it is produced, and then what will the better money look like once the new money takes away market share from the best money that is no longer the best? The best money can be known, by way of explaining the worst money. Here is a very good measure, as explanation, of the worst money: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Honest productive people send their earnings to liars who use that money to make the honest productive people suffer. Thomas Paine offers an explanation of that transfer of power here: http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. What is the money proposed by the people who constitute the link to that network of people who offer a competitive Presidential Address, and presumably a competitive method of disconnecting The People from Wall Street, and presumably offer a competitive money, a money that is better for The People compared to The Dollar Hegemony money? What is the money? Show me the money. I am looking. How about this: http://neweconomyworkinggroup.org/visions/living-wealth-money-system/democratizing-money The money system is properly designed and managed to serve the real wealth economy as a regulated public utility. Regulatory and tax policy properly support a system of locally rooted financial institutions, with a preference for those owned by state and local governments or organized as cooperatives or nonprofit community service institutions. These policies should further seek to render outsized banks, financial speculation, predatory lending, financial fraud, and the shadow banking system of unregulated hedge funds and private equity funds illegal and/or unprofitable. I see a need to contact these people, see if they can look ahead far enough to see the advantage of sending Ron Paul to the office of President, or sending me instead, as our power to do so exists. I have a problem right now in the measure of not finding a specific description of the money being proposed. I do see a description that appears to be a proposal to make competition in money legal, but the references to regulation confess otherwise, at the same time. Gary North helps out greatly with this specific line in the sand, where the rubber meets the road. Please consider reading the whole article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north512.html WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? I will send that network of people a message when I can find their contact page. http://neweconomyworkinggroup.org/contact Competitive Legal Money Website feedback If a State government in the U.S.A. began legalizing their own legal money to be used by tax payers in that State to pay State taxes in that State, how would your proposed money issue regulate that legal State money, or would your proposed money issue allow the people running the State government to regulate their own money issue? I think that question is a vital question, and I'll add a link to this thread at the end of that submission to that contact web page, to offer context concerning that question. My guess is that those people in that network are offering a return to a dollar legal unit of money regulated at the National level, which is the root problem when people fail to understand the difference between a Democratic Federated Republic and a Nation State. I sen the e-mail message from that contact web page, and I'll find out if an answer is offered in return.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21st, 2011 09:40 am |
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Honest Productive Americans, Having returned from Reno Nevada where LPAC was the event not to be missed, so I didn't miss it, but having returned I see an opportunity to relay a few messages. There are battles going on around us, as the Friends of Liberty are working to avoid the alternatives to Liberty, such as, for example, The Federal Reserve System of Extortion. One of the speakers told his assembled audience that his group was a major force behind the recent audit of The Federal Reserve Criminals, and that window into those crimes has now become a public record. Few will call it crime, unfortunately. I personally asked the speaker about that audit, my question concerned what was bought by those criminals running The Federal Reserve System. I did not explain in detail as to my way of seeing those crimes as purchases, but the question was answered, as the speaker added a vital missing factor of accounting in that audit as it was not disclosed as to the nature of the collateral involved in the transfer of very large sums of legal dollars. The audit in question involved the 2008 time period, which I confirmed with the speaker, if my question and his answer on that point was understood, and during that time period the criminals at The Federal Reserve System of Extortion doubled the supply of legal dollars. What did they buy? There is a list of loans uncovered in the audit so there is a paper trail that is public knowledge linking the people at The Federal Reserve System of Extortion with the people who received large sums of legal dollars in the form of loans. Not knowing what was legally determined to be collateral for those loans is, in fact, not knowing what was purchased with those loans as the people running The Federal Reserve System of Extortion buy something when they create double the money supply of legal dollars and then send that money to the people on that list of borrowers. A person who loans money is a person who buys a steady return of the money loaned, as the money flows back from the borrower. A person who loans money is a person who typically buys a thing called "interest"; which is then even more money flowing back to the lender from the borrower, so the lender buys that steady stream of money that must be earned by the borrower and then the borrower sends his earnings to the lender in the form of "interest". A person who loans money is a person who typically makes a legal claim on something previously owned by the borrower as the borrower signs off legal ownership of something that becomes legal "collateral". The person who loans money risks nothing when the power of law is employed to force the borrower to pay back the entire loan, the entire sum of all interest payments charged to the borrower, and/or the legal title to the thing that was once owned by the borrower; which is the thing that is designated as legal collateral. The lender may get the entire loan amount back, the entire sum of all the interest charged to the borrower, and the legal title to the collateral, when things work to the advantage of the lender, when law is used to cover up crime, and that is reality, and you may not want to admit it, for some reason. If you do not understand how that works, because it is too complicated, or because my words are too foreign, then you are not alone, since many people fall victim to versions of legal banking whereby the targeted victims fail to understand the fine print, so to speak. A person who loans money is a person who buys something with that money. Where does a person get the money they use to buy something? The people at The Federal Reserve System of Extortion create the legal money, dollars, they use to buy things. You can't. They can. You can't, because it is against the law for you to create money, you cannot legally create legal dollars, and that is a demonstrable fact. Your money, if you do create it, if you do create dollars to fill your bank account, so as to allow you to buy things with that money, even if you buy borrowers promises to pay back the money they borrow, and even if you buy interest payments paid to you, and even if you buy the things that are legally designated as collateral, even if you buy beer and lap dances with that money that you create, you will be outside the law, not inside the law, as you create money, as you create legal dollars to fill your bank account. The people at The Federal Reserve System of Extortion can, legally, fill up their empty bank accounts whenever they want with impunity; which means that they have the legal power to add zeros to their legal banking accounts, and they did so in 2008. The Federal Reserve System of Extortion people, the people running that legal crime business, created a lot of money in 2008 for a reason. Those people at that legal crime bank doubled the total number of legal dollars in 2008, and that is something that bears repeating, since the victims of that crime will bear the costs of that crime, in due time. So, to help you conceptualize the meaning of those crimes it bears repeating that there was once a total sum of legal dollars on Earth; all those legal dollars, in all those bank accounts, and in all those wallets, all over the Earth, and then a moment later the people at The Federal Reserve System of Extortion creates that same amount of legal dollars, and they create that much new money to spend, they then have as much money to spend as everyone else combined, they can spend that money on anything they want because they can double that total supply of legal dollars when they want, and they did, and then then had the entire sum of legal dollars to spend. They created and spent as many dollars as everyone else could spend if you combine everyone else together. If you combine the total amount of purchasing power held by everyone on Earth you then have the same amount of purchasing power held by the people running The Federal Reserve System of Legal Extortion. How nice is that? A. The total number of legal dollars existing on Earth before the people at The Fed double that total supply of money. B. The total number of legal dollars existing on Earth is flowing through all the transactions around the world and that same amount of money has suddenly appeared in the bank account of the people running The Federal Reserve System of Extortion, and that happened in 2008. The speaker at the Liberty Political Action Conference in Reno Nevada confirmed to his audience, including me, that the people at The Federal Reserve were audited; partially. It is not known as to what was designated as capital. It is known as to where all that money went once the people at The Federal Reserve System of Extortion spent it. That money went to foreign banks and a list of legal fictions called companies, including a list of companies that may be moving to China. I cannot confirm the link between The Federal Reserve System of Extortion and the moving of capital to China. When I asked that speaker he did not agree with my effort to acknowledge the link between the people at the Federal Reserve System of Extortion and China, if such a link exists. I've read that such a link does exist, and I can find and link those sources if requested. Another speaker at the convention spoke of Global Economics, including Global Military Expenses, and I asked the following question during the time when the audience was afforded the opportunity to ask questions: If American Imperialism is not reversed will it lead eventually to war with China? The extensively credited authority on the subject to which he spoke answered reservedly, as if the possibility was remote, and he said that 30 or 40 years from now could be a time when such a thing could happen. I've just lead the interested reader, with all that text above, into a link that I'm reading this morning, and I want to share that link with The Honest Productive Americans, who are interested in knowing better, as to what lies ahead. Here is the link: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29170.htm Here is a relevant quote: We undertake an imperialist war against the country of Libya, we seek to expand the global war into Pakistan, largely in order to challenge China’s growing influence in the world, and we have set the stage for another imperialist war in Yemen. I will at this time play the part of the broken record as I link two sources of information that constitute one message. Two things combine to make one thing as follows. A. http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/ B. http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/ The one thing that happened in reality, not history, it happened in reality, we see it as history, it happened, and it was World War II. The speaker at the Reno LPAC event said to his audience that China does not plan on going to war, as part of his answer to my question. Who decides what China does? Will the people who decide what China does tell anyone what they are going to do, and will they tell the truth? If the people who run China include a Chinese type of Neo-Con group, such as our home grown version, here in America, and if that group plans on going to war with anyone, anytime soon, will they announce their plans publicly, well in advance as they advance toward that goal, so as to give all those people who may be victimized by that plan fair warning? A World War is set up to happen when more than two sides are armed and ready for battle against each other, such as the case with World War II. England, America, France, Japan, Germany, Poland, Russia, to name a few. All sides are armed and ready to go into battle when the time is ripe, and then an incident is concocted, and then the stuff hits the fan, including the fan known as a nuclear bomb. The stuff hitting the fan will be arms, legs, heads, and people stuff. The fan that the people stuff will be hitting is built for a reason and the reason is simple. Those who gain power over other people must use the power they steal in the work of making sure that the victims are not allowed to grow powerful enough to avoid victimization. That is simple, and if you can't understand that, because that is not simple enough for you, then you have at least uncovered a serous problem, a serious lack of power, and without that power to know simple things you are defenseless or worse. What is worse than being defenseless? If you provide the means by which you suffer then that is a condition that is worse than being defenseless. If you don't have the power to know simple cause and effect realities, and that is a measure of your lack of power to defend yourself, then that is bad, but it can be worse, and it is worse when you are actually working harder, and harder, and harder, so that your enemies grow stronger, and stronger, and stronger. I'm not here to tell you that the Chinese are your enemies, not at all, I'm here to tell you that whomever is financing the flow of power that is arming many people in preparation for another global war can stop financing those purchases of those things that cause those wars to happen on those schedules. Stop paying for it, and it will stop. How simple can it get? How powerless do you want to become? How powerless are you? If you have no power, who is paying those taxes? It is now early on the morning of September 21, 2011, and I have some good news to report concerning the Ron Paul for President campaign, and a few other things to report, as time goes by, but I want to remind, or inform any readers that I have started my own schedule that marches all who participate in the effort to a new Liberty Day. Why not? I picked July 4th 2012. There are many ways in which we can reach our goal on that day. Reaching our goal won't happen by accident. My reports will continue when I can afford the opportunity.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24th, 2011 08:02 pm |
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Honest Productive Americans. I found a report written by someone whereby the subject has to do with exponential economic growth rates. I find this subject very interesting because of the consequences associated with failing to know better. Failing to know better than to believe in a lie is inevitably very destructive to whomever is failing to know better. An example: Person A in charge of Group A starts World War III, failing to know better, and the result is World War III and human extinction. Suppose that the above does happen, and suppose it is then known by the last of the people who are slowly dying, as the human species dies a miserable death, and looking back, during those days when the human experiment breaths it's last breaths, if only we could have known better, we would not have allowed that to happen the way it did happen, too bad for us. In that context I offer one link first, then three more links to have before us as we work on these competitive viewpoints. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=215521.0 That first link includes an offering on exponential growth rates, and I can sum up the significant points. A. The number of people stupefied by the lies can grow exponentially. B. The number of people knowing better can grow exponentially. C. The number of power sources can be used to make the number of power sources grow exponentially, and that can be exemplified with Solar Panels. D. The number of people stupefied by lies can grow exponentially while the number of people knowing better die off exponentially while the number of people reach a number that is no longer able to support life on earth as a result of both stupidity and scarce power sources. Of those 4 scenarios above I like B since B offers the Human Species the best odds of surviving past the life span of this Solar System, which can be a very long time, many centuries into the foreseeable human future. Let me put that in context, please, for your careful judgement. A. The length of time that human beings exist if human beings cannot travel to another Solar System. B. The length of time that human begins exist past the life span of this Solar System because human begins gain the power to travel to other Solar Systems. The above laundry list of two time frames are significant because one, or A, is very small, finite, compared to the later, or B, which is incalculable at this time. Some of us, some of our species may, report facts that prove that our species will not, ever, reach out to other Solar Systems. I won't do that, since my power to see into the future is very limited, and I know better than to claim facts about things that I cannot know. Moving onto the next link, please, consider reading it, and I'm going to take out one quote, because one quote concerns me much more than all the other messages in this link: http://gigaom.com/cleantech/an-exercise-in-galactic-scale-energy/ Growth is then the basis for interest rates, loans and the finance industry. For your consideration: Legal crime is the basis for interest rates, loans, and the finance industry. To claim otherwise is to be stupefied like so many of the current examples of human beings roaming the planet earth. Were it not for the stupefied people sending their hard earned power to the few people who make everyone suffer, through "interest", "loans", and "the finance industry", plus involuntary taxes that are not as covert, if not for them, what would the subject of "growth" be, if not for that steady misuse of power? Please compare: 1A. Growth is then the basis for interest rates, loans and the finance industry. 2B. Legal crime is the basis for interest rates, loans, and the finance industry. 2A. War is good for the economy. 2B. Legal Crime (aggressive wars for profit) transfers power from the stupefied people to the Legal Criminals faster than any other covert tax. See, please see, how language can work against us, and language can work for us, as we either continue to provide the means by which we suffer or we employ a better idea, since we know better. The link that reported the lie that "growth is then the basis for interest rates..." etc. also reports an angle of view concerning the relationship between the number of human beings and the requirements of power needed to sustain human life as the number of human beings increases. The story is an old one; in modern times the story changed a little, but it is essentially the same old story. Fear. Fear so as to be weak from that fear. Fear to a point of weakness by which the victims of fear will transfer the power they need to defend themselves to people who will make the fearful victims suffer. A. Overpopulation B. Global Warming C. Terrorism D. Savages E. Evil Dictators The story is always told in such a way as to accomplish the goal intended to be accomplished by the story. Fear Obey There is no choice. There is no other way. I'm here to help. You may prefer to be helped by those who make you suffer. Send them more of the power you need to defend yourself, to reproduce, and to keep the human species alive another day, or week, or year, or century. Sign onto the lies. Read from the scripted story line that is offered to you in so many forms. You can think your way out of this paper bag, and perhaps all you need to get on that path is someone offering you a badge, a license, and the authority to do so, and I'm going to help you find that authority. Get up, go to the mirror, look in the mirror, and see your boss. Ask your boss in the mirror if you can go ahead and think your own way out of this paper bag where we are being told that there is no other choice but the choices dictated to us by these many stupefied victims. Let me know if you can see a way out of this paper bag; while I offer my version. Another link: http://www.susps.org/overview/birthrates.html U.S. fertility first dropped to less than replacement level fertility in 1972, and by 2002 had dropped to a record low. (Replacement level fertility is 2.1 children per woman because of infant mortality - see terms). During most of the 1970s and 1980s women gave birth to fewer than 2 children on average, a rate insufficient to replace the population. Because of population momentum, U.S. population would have increased to 255 million by 2020 and then gradually declined. My wife and I reproduced, she reproduced, being the woman, and now there is one to replace me, and one to replace my wife. That is a personal census offered as a real life measure of things, not just numbers. If it is true that there is such a thing as overpopulation, even while replacement levels of reproduction is not being met, then there can be ways of measuring exactly what is meant by the term "overpopulation". Use your own brain, please. What does the term mean? What does it mean to you when you hear the word "overpopulation"? Is it possible that the term "overpopulation" is just another story offered to the victims by the Legal Criminals so as to trick the victims into being fearful enough to then be weak, and to then volunteer to be even weaker, as the victims are ordered to send even more power to the Legal Criminals? I've read a few books with titles like: "You are being lied to." I didn't have to read such a book to know that fact. What lies are the most important lies? A. Lies that result in the extinction of the human species. B. Lies that result in a momentary embarrassment for the victims of the lie, the one who was led to believe that the lie was true, when the lie is demonstrably false. When the communication you read leads you to believe that there is something to fear, and therefore there is a need to send someone more money, then it may be a good idea to question the validity of that communication. When the communication speaks about overpopulation while the same communication offers information that claims that the birth rate is below a sustainable level, then you have before you a demonstrable contradiction. What is overpopulation? I can offer an explanation. When the Legal Criminals reach a point where their numbers are too many, and their victims numbers are too few, take a guess as to the methods used by the Legal Criminals to fix that problem? How about an illustration? You are on a boat in open water like the historical example provided by a book titled Men against the Sea, where the actual event involved a Ship Captain named William Bligh whose ship was seized by some of the crew and his group of loyal followers were cast into open water in a row boat. Now suppose that there is in that boat 2 separate groups, not one, not one group where each member of the group cooperates with each other so as to survive under horrible circumstances. Suppose, instead of harmonious co-existence, there are two groups fighting each other, in that one boat, in open water. One group takes all the power while the other group is forced to work to death, and suppose that there are a total of 10 people in the boat, and suppose that half of the number of people in the boat are dictators and the other half are subjects, or half are slave masters, and the other half are slaves, or half are Legal Criminals (because they elected themselves to be legal authorities), and the other half are stupefied believers in the lie of Legal Crime. 10 total people 1 boat Open water in the middle of a huge ocean far from any land. 5 people take everything 5 people work to death so as to give everything to the 5 people who take everything (because they are stupefied) Time goes by in this illustration and suppose one of the stupefied people die from too much work and not enough, or no, food, or water, and suppose one of the elite dies too, from lack of exercise and gout, and now there are 8 total, and the ratio is still 1 to 1. Suppose, over night, two more of the hard working stupefied tax payers croak, and the remaining 4 elite tax collectors wake up to find only 2 workers left in the boat, and both of them are working very hard to keep the boat afloat, and one is preparing a fish caught in the night, and it is a small fish, and the small fish will only feed one person well, only enough to make one person full of good food. There you have, now, an illustration of the problem. Place yourself in the shoes of each of those remaining 6 people and figure it out for yourself. The liars running the show will have to invent really, really, really, good lies to remain elite, full of good food, and very happy, at the expense of their stupefied victims, including some of their fellow elitists who may be a little more gullible than the other fellow elitists. How does that make sense? Please return to this: Growth is then the basis for interest rates, loans and the finance industry. Really? Consider reading something called "The Parasite City" written by a person who walked the earth during a very pivotal time period in human history during the time when ideas like voluntary socialism was in direct competition with voluntary capitalism, before both socialism and capitalism became lies covering up Legal Crimes. Here is that link (look for The Parasite City if you can't afford to read the whole work): http://www.the-portal.org/mutual_banking.htm#4 Ask yourself why, please, why, why, why, are people stuck on using The Dollar as currency, as if there is no other, better, option? In context, with the scientific studies on "energy" consumption rates, I offer a closing statement. When power is used to make more power then power supplies will grow at an exponential rate; and power can be stored moving sea water onto mountain tops. If the Egyptians can make pyramids, why can't we make it to another Solar System before our species ends?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26th, 2011 05:24 pm |
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Ask the Candidates +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ –Question 1: Background: The aims of U.S. foreign policy in the post-World War II period were essentially to enforce a global system in which the Western powers under American leadership would maintain global dominance. This essentially meant being in control of the world’s resources at the expense of non-Western nations. This fundamental objective of U.S. foreign policy in the post-war period shines through with bare-knuckled candor in a TOP SECRET policy document written by George Kennan in February 1948. He was head of the State Department’s Policy Planning Staff, and this was its first memorandum. Here is an excerpt: “We have about 50 per cent of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3 per cent of its population. … Our real task in the coming period is to maintain this position of disparity. … To do so we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming. … We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford the luxury of altruism. … We should cease to talk about vague, unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we will have to deal in straight power concepts.” Lead-in: Five years after approval of the basic policy aim of controlling more than our share of “the world’s wealth,” the policy was implemented by throwing millions of dollars at the CIA to overthrow the democratically elected leader of Iran. You see, Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh had the revolutionary, unacceptable notion that more of the profits from Iranian oil should stay in Iran for the Iranian people and not simply go to oil giants like the predecessor of British Petroleum (BP). The Question: Do you think we had a right to overthrow the leader of Iran in 1953? And would you again give millions of dollars to the CIA to overthrow the Iranian government under your presidency? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Answer: We have no collective right, that is a very big lie, a very effective method of turning Honest Productive People into accessories to legalized crime; just as the Nazi propaganda had done in it's time - big lies for big crimes. The total for the German form of Legal Crime was roughly 6 million legally murdered and tortured. A bigger lie was used in Russia, by Stalin, and all the accessories to those crimes, there, where the total was roughly 20 million. There is no such thing as a collective right. There is a collective power, as all the people who are made to believe in the big lie send their hard earned surplus wealth to one big pot of wealth, which is power, and then someone, or some group, spend that power. When they spend that power they spend it on whatever works to keep the power flowing to them, they are not shackled down by any chains of morality, or right, or anything whatsoever, other than a greater power, such as the power that can be collected among an informed populace. It is past time to stop believing in these lies, and to stop providing the means by which we suffer, sending our hard earned power to criminals so that they can pass laws that allow them to perpetually commit crimes upon us. Well past time to stop lying to ourselves, as you are doing with this loaded question. Please stop the bullshit - it is worse than being counter-productive. It is downright destructive in nature. Lies are meant to injure. What volunteer to be injured - why read from the false script? Next question. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ –Question 2 Background: Further on Iran: During the Dec. 5, 2006, Senate hearing on the nomination of Robert Gates to be Secretary of Defense, he was questioned by Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., about the possibility of Iran acquiring nuclear weapons and the threat to Israel if it did. Gates said that he believed Iran was trying to acquire nuclear weapons and was lying when it said it wasn’t. However, amazingly, Gates added that Iran’s motivation was largely self-defense. Sen. Graham asked: “Do you believe the Iranians would consider using that nuclear weapons capability against the nation of Israel?” Gates replied: “I don’t know that they would do that, Senator. … And I think that, while they are certainly pressing, in my opinion, for nuclear capability, I think that they would see it in the first instance as a deterrent. They are surrounded by powers with nuclear weapons: Pakistan to their east, the Russians to the north, the Israelis to the west and us in the Persian Gulf.” This remarkably candid reply explains Iran’s possible motive in seeking nuclear weapons as deterrence against aggression by nuclear powers in the region, including Israel and the United States. In other words, according to Gates, Iran is seeking nuclear weapons to prevent others from attacking it, rather than to attack other states — like Israel. This comes close to saying that the U.S. should be able to live with a nuclear-armed Iran (and Israel should be able to as well). And, remember, all this talk is properly put in the subjunctive mood. It remains a very big IF; namely, on whether or not the Iranian leaders opt to go for a nuclear weapon. We were formally reminded last March that the jury is still out on this key question. James R. Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, testified to Congress that the intelligence community judges that Iran has not yet made that decision. So, despite all the current media hype regarding Iran’s nuclear program, there remains some reason to hope against hype, so to speak. In the above reply, Gates also acknowledged what U.S. officials officially seek to obfuscate: that Israel has nuclear weapons. Remember, that at the time of his confirmation hearing, Gates had already served as CIA director and held other senior national security position in several administrations. He had been around long enough both to know the details of Israel’s undeclared nuclear arsenal and the longstanding U.S. policy NOT to acknowledge that Israel has nukes. That policy was designed to have the double benefit of not undermining Israel’s policy of studied ambiguity on the issue and of not requiring the U.S. to take a position for or against Israel’s possession of nuclear weapons and its refusal to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which Iran has signed. America’s supposedly “objective” FCM also readily puts on the blinders when focusing on Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program and simultaneously ignoring Israel’s real one. The truth is that there are no U.N. weapons inspectors crawling into crevices in Israel, as they regularly do in Iran. Lead-in to question: A portion of intelligence funding goes to support intelligence analysis. Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates worked in the analysis part of the CIA. [Actually, as an apprentice analyst 40 years ago, he worked in the Soviet Foreign Policy Branch that I led. His portfolio was Soviet policy toward the Middle East.] Fast-forward 35 years to Dec. 5, 2006, when the Senate held a one-day hearing on Gates’s nomination to become Secretary of Defense. When Sen. Lindsey Graham asked Gates whether he thought the Iranians would consider a nuclear attack on Israel, Gates answered: “I think that they would see it in the first instance as a deterrent. They are surrounded by powers with nuclear weapons: Pakistan to their east, the Russians to the north, the Israelis to the west and us in the Persian Gulf.” This is tell-it-like-it-is intelligence analysis [which exceeded my hopes as his erstwhile mentor]. It even included matter-of-fact mention of Israel’s nuclear capability, which President Barack Obama himself has refused to acknowledge. When Helen Thomas pressed the issue at Obama’s inaugural press conference (Feb. 9, 2009), the President awkwardly ducked the question, explaining he did not want to “speculate.” The Question: Do you agree with Mr. Gates that Iran would see a nuclear capability “in the first instance as a deterrent?” And how many nuclear weapons do Western experts believe Israel has? President Carter has said 150, but that was some time ago. A Follow-up: Let’s assume Iran does get a nuclear weapon: Do you think it would commit suicide by firing it off in the direction of Israel? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Answer: More loaded questions. To presuppose that there is an entity that can act as one and at that same time that one entity is every person living in one area, such as Israel, or U.S.A., or Iran, is a big lie, a very big subliminal, unconscious, lie. One that big lie is exposed, and discarded, the question then becomes a simple power struggle concerning specific people who have names, and these specific people with names live on Earth, and they walk, and they talk, and they wear clothes, and they control such things as weapons of mass destruction. Who gave them the power to control weapons of mass destruction? Who would be so stupid as to give anyone, ever, a weapon of mass destruction? The answer is easy to see, and the answer is that no reasonable, honest, productive person would give a weapon of mass destruction to anyone were it in their power to do so, and therefore it can be known, by anyone with a brain, that the people who have control of these things are unreasonable, and they took these things, they had to have committed serious crimes against humanity to build these things, they are criminals, they have names, they live on Earth, and if their potential victims are ever going to avoid being victims the control over these things will be removed. These things will be removed, and disarmed, and they will never be produce again, or else. If you don't like the truth, that is your problem, not mine. The truth is what it is, a weapon of mass production. Lies are weapons of mass destruction - particularly these lies that presume absurdities such as the legitimacy of creating, maintaining, and the employing weapons of mass destruction - supposedly: "for their own good". Whose own good? Why do you read from the false script - whose paying you - how do you profit by such destructive behavior? Next question: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ –Question 3 Background and Lead-In: This question deals with torture, an issue that has been given new life recently, with more and more Republican presidential candidates speaking in favor of it. We have surely come a long way since Virginia patriot Patrick Henry insisted passionately that “the rack and the screw,” as he put it, were barbaric practices that had to be left behind in the Old World, or we are “lost and undone.” The Question: On Sept. 6, 2006, Gen. John Kimmons, then head of Army intelligence told reporters at the Pentagon, in unmistakable language: “No good intelligence is going to come from abusive practices. I think history tells us that. I think the empirical evidence of the last five years, hard years, tells us that.” Gen. Kimmons knew that President George W. Bush had decided to claim publicly, just two hours later, that the “alternative set of procedures” for interrogation — methods that Bush had approved, like water-boarding — were effective. Whom do you think we should believe: President Bush? Or Gen. Kimmons? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Answer: With almost no exceptions the people who have stolen offices of the supposed government can be trusted to lie, they are hired to lie, that is their job. I know that George Bush lied, that is his job, what does that have to do with belief? Patrick Henry blew the whistle on The Constitution, it was a usurpation from a working Democratic Federated Republic under The Articles of Confederation into a working Despotism (Legal Crime). There were, perhaps, more exceptions to the rule (Legal Criminals Lie) back in Patrick Henry's day compared to today. Listening to, and heeding the warnings of, representatives who are hired to speak the truth has been effectively made unlawful, see, for example, the 16th Amendment concerning what cannot be questioned.
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