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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 09:38 pm |
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7/25/13 Page 132 John: "The thing that most people may not understand concerns the difference between the concept of "public" and "private" jurisdictions in law. This applies to your question and this has been explained to me by my trainers. These products are limited by law as to how much profit the bank can make as in the term not-for-profit may suggest. If you are familiar with the term…" modified: John answers, "The thing that most people may not understand concerns the difference between the concept of "public" and "private" jurisdictions in law. This applies to your question, and this has been explained to me by my trainers. These products are limited by law as to how much profit the bank can make as in the term not-for-profit may suggest. If you are familiar with the term…"
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 09:51 pm |
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7/25/13 Page 132/133 Joe, I have modified punctuation, but am having trouble with the meaning of this phrase, for my own understanding: "again we are in that sense not-for-profit, but in the sense of not-for-unlimited-profit." For some reason it sounds to me like it is FOR unlimited profit. I am sure it is just my mind playing tricks on me, but can you read it to make sure you understand it? Pat appears to be even more confused but John presses on with a more rapid cadence to his speech, as if he is now in a hurry to get a point across, to reach a desired goal. "In short: we repossess the items purchased with Product 1 and Product 2, a house in the first case, a Solar Panel Array, Electric Car, or Modular Green House Unit, in any case, and it is a net loss, but according to statistical calculation the Bank will always net a profit, to cover costs, up to the government limit - again we are in that sense not-for-profit, but in the sense of not-for-unlimited-profit. If you can understand that concept then we can move on. If you have more questions on that concept there are illustrations I can use to help you understand how it works the way it works.” Modified: Pat appears to be even more confused, but John presses on with a more rapid cadence to his speech, as if he is now in a hurry to get a point across - to reach a desired goal. "In short, we repossess the items purchased with Product 1 and Product 2: a house in the first case, a Solar Panel Array, Electric Car, or Modular Green House Unit, in any case, and it is a net loss. But according to statistical calculation, the Bank will always net a profit to cover costs up to the government limit - again we are in that sense not-for-profit, but in the sense of not-for-unlimited-profit. If you can understand that concept, we can move on. If you have more questions on that concept there are illustrations I can use to help you understand how it works the way it works.”
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 09:55 pm |
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7/25/13 Page 133 Pat begins to speak but John politely raises his hand and continues. "Mrs. Harmon, in any event please understand, that there is no shame, to me, as someone growing up in this new system, our new realities, here in America, for errors made by people who try to start a new Power Independence business, yet they fail. There will be errors, and the calculations we make to cover those errors are insured against loss too. How many times did Edison try to find the right filament for the first light bulb, and how many of us, even now, profit from light bulbs?" Modified: Pat begins to speak, but John politely raises his hand and continues. "Mrs. Harmon, in any event please understand that there is no shame. To me, as someone growing up in this new system, our new realities here in America, there is no shame for errors made by people who try to start a new Power Independence business, and yet they fail. There will be errors, and the calculations we make to cover those errors are insured against loss too. How many times did Edison try to find the right filament for the first light bulb, and how many of us, even now, profit from light bulbs?"
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 10:00 pm |
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7/25/13 Page 133 Pat is taken aback some by the young man presuming to know so much, but she recovers composure, and returns to the list of questions, looking at them, and then formulates a reply to the last answer provided by John. "Many, as I am aware, very many attempts to find the right filament. So, as with Product 1, there is also the matter of Credit Score?" Modified: Pat is taken aback some by the young man presuming to know so much, but she recovers composure and returns to the list of questions. Looking at them, she formulates a reply, "Many, as I am aware…very many attempts to find the right filament. So, with Product 2 as with Product 1, there is also the matter of Credit Score?"
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 10:06 pm |
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7/25/13 Page 133 7/26 took apostrophe out of monopolist's John reassures and confirms. "Yes, and we have gone through that sufficiently in training, as Legal Banking Interest is not the same thing as usury, again along the concept of not-for-unlimited-profit. The concept of Legal Banking Interest is a method of insuring against loss that is charged to a person who has proven to be prone to error, over time." John adds, “We bankers are no longer monopolist’s, as everyone knows by now.” Modified: John reassures and confirms, "Yes, and we have gone through that sufficiently in training. Legal Banking Interest is not the same thing as usury, again along the concept of not-for-unlimited-profit. The concept of Legal Banking Interest is a method of insuring against loss that is charged to a person who has proven to be prone to error, over time." John adds, “We bankers are no longer monopolists, as everyone knows by now.”
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 10:15 pm |
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7/25/13 Page 133 Pat adds, "Ok, so that failure is a higher insurance fee charged to that person who has failed, but isn't that going to shame the person who fails? Really, John, would you not feel shame?" Modified: "OK, so that failure results in a higher insurance fee charged to that person who has failed, but isn't that going to shame the person who fails? Really, John, would you not feel shame?" Pat asks curiously.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 10:31 pm |
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7/25/13 Page 134 Closing Point Joe The teacher is the student and the teacher, so the student is the teacher and the student. If you do not know why: keep looking and listen more carefully. I did and found this: The First Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Church at Corinth: Corinthians 13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. Closing point bear As on many occasions, bear asks Joe to watch or listen to something. In this case it was the Book of Romans.40 bear hopes that he will have eyes to see and ears to hear. Joe replies: Modified by adding some line spacing and punctuation/word changes: Closing Point Joe The teacher is the student and the teacher, so the student is the teacher and the student. If you do not know why: keep looking and listen more carefully. I did and found this: The First Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Church at Corinth, Chapter 13: “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.” Closing point bear As on many occasions, bear asks Joe to watch or listen to something. In this case it was the Book of Romans.40 bear hopes that he will have eyes to see and ears to hear, and Joe replies: — Joe
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 11:03 pm |
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7/25/13 Page 135 7/26 made work load a single word. Let the light in. Let accurate information flow. Stop obeying the false orders that demand obedience to the work load required to construct a world of ignorance, lies, violence, and the perpetual destruction of innocence, or all life on Earth. Removed last comma: Let the light in. Let accurate information flow. Stop obeying the false orders that demand obedience to the workload required to construct a world of ignorance, lies, violence, and the perpetual destruction of innocence or all life on Earth.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 12:09 pm |
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7/26/13 Page 135 See the facts, show the facts, listen to the facts, speak of the facts, refine your vision through competitive comparisons with other like-minded people who no longer settle for perpetual victimization, and accurately discriminate the vital difference between “good enough for government work” and self-governing, self-evident, roads IN Liberty. Modified: See the facts - show the facts - listen to the facts - speak of the facts. Refine your vision through competitive comparisons with other like-minded people who no longer settle for perpetual victimization. Accurately discriminate the vital difference between “good enough for government work” and self-governing, self-evident, roads IN Liberty.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 12:12 pm |
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7/26/13 Page 135/136 In the remaining pages my efforts to offer a competitively accurate viewpoint continues along the lines of using the power available, consuming that power in productive investments, so as to end the day with more power than that which existed before the individual sets out in the day to earn their way through life. Modified: In the remaining pages, my efforts to offer a competitively accurate viewpoint continues along the lines of using the power available and consuming that power in productive investments so as to end the day with more power than that which existed before the individual sets out in the day to earn their way through life.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 12:20 pm |
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7/26/13 Page 136 Knowledge works this way, like stepping stones, a place to stand, a place to go, a way to move from before to after, and simultaneously moving from worse, getting away from that stick, while moving toward better; to grasp, and realize, the carrot; which is a carrot you grow your way, because carrots will grow, and there is no need to crush other people along the way, because power can be abundant, and because power does not have to be scarce. Modified: Knowledge works this way, like stepping stones: a place to stand, a place to go, a way to move from before to after, and simultaneously moving away from worse (getting away from that stick) while moving toward better. To grasp and realize the carrot, which is a carrot you grow your way, because carrots will grow, and that there is no need to crush other people along the way because power can be abundant - because power does not have to be scarce.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 02:18 pm |
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bear, Joe, I have modified punctuation, but am having trouble with the meaning of this phrase, for my own understanding: "again we are in that sense not-for-profit, but in the sense of not-for-unlimited-profit." For some reason it sounds to me like it is FOR unlimited profit. I am sure it is just my mind playing tricks on me, but can you read it to make sure you understand it? I see the concept of Public and Private as Legal Crime origins, for the most part, but there may be a genuine Free Market version in Liberty having to do with the concept of highest and best use. I have not worked the thinking of this out in my own words, but I can work on it now. As to the edit work you have done, it looks right to me. Highest and best use can be compared in a possible illustrative example whereby one person may claim exclusive ownership to all the land on Earth. That person may then charge everyone else a fee for renting any portion of all the land on Earth. That can be seen as unlimited profit. If the single owner of all the land on Earth limited the profit flowing from everyone else to himself on the basis of cost to the land then everyone who rented land would pay into a FUND for use of the land and the only time that the POWER in the FUND was released, or spent, would be in cases where the user of the land did not return the land to, at least, the original condition that the land was in before the renter began using the land. Of course all of those types of judgments require actual people finding agreement as to what is, or what is not, highest and best use, or what is, or is not, returning the land back to the original condition. Suppose a renter builds a Nuclear Power Plant in Japan, for example, and suppose the renter of the land stored very lethal radioactive waste up in the roof of the Power Planet, and suppose the roof blew off the Power Planet. That is a clear case of lowest and worse use as measurable by all the tortured and murdered people who were willfully tortured and murdered for a profit. Suppose, instead, it is merely a water well in the desert, and the owner claiming ownership auctions water to the highest bidder each time the owner sells some water out of that well that is owned by that one person, and suppose that person put toxic substances like fluoride in that water, and that person does not tell the people who buy water that the water is poisoned. Highest and best use? My highest and best use idea is a function of the Power Law, since a competitive highest and best use example can be compared to another highest and best use as a function of how quickly the FUND increases in POWER To Purchase. This may not be easy to understand, as I may be failing once again to employ English Language to the highest and best use at this time. How about this angle: If everyone were to employ Equitable Commerce as explained by Josiah Warren then the concept of having a PUBLIC FUND would be many small PRIVATE FUNDS instead of one big PUBLIC FUND, since there would be no mechanism by which POWER is collectivized from the many producers to the one monopoly COLLECTION AGENCY. The PUBLIC FUND, in equitable commerce, is SURPLUS WEALTH that remains in the exclusive control of those who produce SURPLUS WEALTH and none of the SURPLUS WEALTH flows to a LEGAL CRIME Collective Collection Agency, to then be distributed according to the whims of the Legal Criminals who inevitably spend that FUND on war, or crushing competition, or in the necessary expenses required to steal more from everyone so as to keep the flow going from everyone into the one FUND. The LIMIT in Legal Crime is only limited by how powerful deception, threats, and violence is, as those POWERS work on inspiring the targeted victims to pay into the False FUND. The moral LIMIT is measurable as the absence of willful employment of POWER used to commit crimes from behind false government or crimes out in the open for all to see clearly as crimes. I don't know if that answers the question.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 07:46 pm |
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Joe, I am thinking about this this afternoon with more fresh mind than I had when I was working at it yesterday. I am wondering if the phrase:But according to statistical calculation, the Bank will always net a profit to cover costs up to the government limit - again we are in that sense not-for-profit, but in the sense of not-for-unlimited-profit. Still doesn't make sense to me. It still seems to me like the sentence reads that the bank is in not-for-profit AND not-for-unlimited profit (even though "but" is used. I wonder what you think about this: But according to statistical calculation, the Bank will always net a profit to cover costs up to the government limit - again we are in that sense not-for-profit, but not in the sense of unlimited profit. I changed the wording avert "but" What do you think?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 08:09 pm |
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7/26/13 Page 136 As much power as is earned by as many earners as may exist at any time can be employed into investments that create more power, instead of having that same power stolen by criminals with badges, and then that stolen power supply is then consumed to steal more; that need not be happening any more. Modified: As much power as is earned, by as many earners as may exist at any time, can be employed into investments that create more power - instead of having that same power stolen by criminals with badges, and then that stolen power supply is consumed to steal more. That need not be happening any more.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 08:14 pm |
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7/26/13 Page 136 That is stone to stand on. Knowing the nature of power in simple terms is powerful. Knowing power to be either investments in creating more power or destruction wielded by criminals: is a place to stand, and from that place you can see the fork in the road. Which path ends up with abundance? Which path ends up with extinction or worse? Modified: That is stone to stand on. Knowing the nature of power in simple terms is powerful. Knowing power to be either investments in creating more power or destruction wielded by criminals is a place to stand, and from that place, you can see the fork in the road. Which path ends up with abundance? Which path ends up with extinction or worse?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 08:16 pm |
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7/26/13 Page 136 Simple examples of how productive power works are abundant to anyone caring to look, like looking at a farm on the side of the road while driving in a car on a highway, or looking down from an airplane, seeing a farm, a simple farm, where less power is made into more power. Modified: Simple examples of how productive power works are abundant to anyone caring to look. Like looking at a farm on the side of the road while driving in a car on a highway, or looking down from an airplane, seeing a farm, a simple farm, where less power is made into more power.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 08:20 pm |
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7/26/13 Page 136 Who knows these things, these simple facts, and who does not know these simple facts? Look at the farmer and see if the farmer pays someone to help the farmer destroy crops. Who does such things, and does so willfully, with their power to do so? To end the day with less, on purpose, for fun and profit, to end the day with less than what exists at the start of the day, and for what? For who? Modified: Who knows these things, these simple facts, and who does not know these simple facts? Look at the farmer, and see if the farmer pays someone to help the farmer destroy crops. Who does such things, and does so willfully with their power to do so? To end the day with less, on purpose, for fun and profit, to end the day with less than what existed at the start of the day, and for what? For who?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 08:26 pm |
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7/26/13 Page 137 I’ve done the measuring, and from that work I’ve invented Joe’s Law to be repeated in the next single sentence, and offered again, and offered competitively: Modified: I have done the measuring, and from that work I invented Joe’s Law to be repeated in the next single sentence, and offered again, and offered competitively:
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 08:29 pm |
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7/26/13 Page 138 Take as many earners as there are on the planet earth and allow them to find their own individual ways to accomplish the task of creating more power out of less power instead of paying people to destroy things and what do you think can happen, and why won’t you access simple math, if you have any doubts concerning the true measure of what really happens in Liberty? Modified: Take as many earners as there are on the planet earth, and allow them to find their own individual ways to accomplish the task of creating more power out of less power instead of paying people to destroy things. What do you think can happen, and why won’t you access simple math, if you have any doubts concerning the true measure of what really happens in Liberty?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 08:34 pm |
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7/26/13 Page 138 Following this diatribe, this offering, this Giant Wall of Text just above this word right here, here, will be examples of my Liberty Day Challenge effort, and it is more information cut and pasted from the many sound bites currently traveling around the Earth; as competition overpowers monopoly in our time. I hope that this turns out to be powerful stuff. Modified: Following this diatribe, this offering, this Giant Wall of Text just above this word right here, here, will be examples of my Liberty Day Challenge effort. It is more information cut and pasted from the many sound bites currently traveling around the Earth…as competition overpowers monopoly in our time. I hope that this turns out to be powerful stuff.
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