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 Posted: Mon Jul 15th, 2013 11:01 pm
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I am not Ron Paul.

With your help my words are easier to read:

"Thus, liberty is dependent upon protecting life, and it is the jeopardizing of that same liberty which results in despotism causing the demise of life."

It should be Master or Slave.




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 Posted: Tue Jul 16th, 2013 10:36 am
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Joe, you are not bear either...those words were mine...those words that were not easy to read and made no sense to bear. :)

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I am not Ron Paul.

With your help my words are easier to read:

"Thus, liberty is dependent upon protecting life, and it is the jeopardizing of that same liberty which results in despotism causing the demise of life."


At least when you go back and read your own words you can understand them. I couldn't even understand my own words. Those unintelligible words were bear words, not Joe words.
And so after trying to understand my own words I ask: can I even make the claim made in that new sentence I offer? :)

I started listening to Bill Black Gresham's Dynmanic last night.  I was not listening with my full attention as I was drifting off to sleep.  I will try today to listen better.  The information was interesting as well as too much to accept, though it is said to be true.  I am not discounting that it is true, it is just so hard for me to grasp why some people can be so unfair, evil, and self-serving.  As I stood in line behind a gal who was on WIC taking about 15 minutes trying to match all of her State Checks with her items and having the walmart clerk have to go back and exchange items, I felt dispise and pity mixed.  Dispise because Jeff works multiple jobs to provide for his own family as well as hers.  Pity because she is in the situation she is in.  It is hard.  People like us in the middle...lower middle...struggle to to make ends meet and work harder and extra to provide for ourselves without taking stolen handouts while those that Bill Black talks about make the rules that make it harder for us to work harder to provide for ourselves and also force us to provide for someone who is not provided for when they could easily do it themselves as they charge people 2 and 3 times interest of the cost of a home and mess around with gas prices at whim.  This section of the book that I am working on matches Bill Black's words well.  As a matter of fact, you have been telling me what Bill Black is saying without the gory details. 

Why do we find agreement?  Is the evidence not around us?  One just has to have eyes to see and ears that will accept?

And now I turn to God's Word.  The evidence is all around us:

Psalm 19:1 KJV The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork .

Romans 1:20 KJV
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen , being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Human kind is without excuse to know God.  The evidence is all around us.  The verse preceding that last offering -

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them;1 Corinthians 3:11 KJV
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid , which is Jesus Christ. 
Peter is not the cornerstone or the foundation of the church.  The Lord Jesus Christ is.  That was a bait and switch routine performed by counterfeiters.  Why does anyone continue to reject the cornerstone which is The Lord Jesus Christ?

Why did the keep the Word of God locked away in a language the people could not read for themselves?

Why do the bankers make rules that excuse themselves as long as they are 5 years out from a felony conviction?

Why did Martha Stewart go to prison for insider trading while a 5 year from conviction felon was given headship?

Why does a man sit in the white house who calls himself Barack Obama when his birth name is Barry Soretoro?  Why does he not have to provide a true birth certificate and my own husband had to pay hundreds of dollars to get a "real" birth certificate because the one he used all of his life was no longer good enough?

Because:

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

They take pleasure in evil and those who do evil.  And I suppose it is a great pleasure to do evil to those who are as lambs.

Jesus said this:

Matthew 10:16 KJV
Behold , I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. What is wisdom?
  • Psalm 111:10 KJV The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
  • Proverbs 1:7 KJV The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
  • Proverbs 9:10 KJV The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
John 5:39 KJV Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me [Jesus].

Jesus was talking about the Old Testament.  The Old Testament told of Him. 


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Joe, I am handing you a spoon labeled Martin/Zimmerman. I haven't kept up with the trial. I remember when the shooting happened. Now the trial has happened and Zimmerman has been found not guilty from what I understand. I was sad yesterday when we went to Kansas City for a Dr. appt. The black people who had been smiling every since Obama was elected in 2008 mostly appeared to be sad, just by the look on their faces. Even though I do not like the president's policies, I was kinda happy for the black people who were happy the morning after the election. They seemed to be able to hold their heads higher and just looked plain happy (to me). Anyways the black folks I ran into yesterday did not look happy at all. No smiles. That is a bear take. I don't know if Joe saw the same thing or not, there in that land of California.

Don't white people shoot black people every day? Don't black people shoot white people every day? Don't people shoot people every day? Why is this different? Do you remember the black man in Texas who was drug to his death behind a pickup truck by some evil white men? It seems to me that there was not near the publicity of that event as this Zimmerman event.

What do you think is going on, politically with all of this, if I may draw from Joe's take on life.

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7/18/13 Page 109 JOE, I need some help with this phrase from the quote below before I work on punctuation:

worked for and then had ready victims

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Alexander Hamilton, connected too well to the British that was supposedly defeated in The Revolution, worked for and then had ready victims in what was then a Consolidated Government after The Federalist Papers (campaign promises made to be broken) Sold We The People a False Front, where The Articles of Confederation worked well enough to aid in The Revolution, but did not work well enough for a Banking Monopoly to take hold, so Alexander Hamilton, and his ilk, got their National Debt.
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I am trying to figure out how the word ready is relating to the word victims. Are they

a) "ready victims" (immediately available)

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b) "victims that are ready" (prepared for immediate use)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ready

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National Debt was being falsely advertised as National Credit, where in reality the seeds were planted to create victims who are led to believe that the victims are borrowing money from Central Bankers when in fact the Central Bankers are borrowing money from the victims, and the victims are then given the bill for everything the Central Bankers buy, and they buy wars.

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National Debt was being falsely advertised as National Credit. When in reality, the seeds were planted to create victims who are led to believe that the victims are borrowing money from Central Bankers. When in fact, the Central Bankers are borrowing money from the victims, and the victims are then given the bill for everything the Central Bankers buy: and they buy wars.

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They buy wars so as to consume all the power they can't steal, so as to keep their victims powerless to fight back.

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They buy wars to consume all the power they can't steal, so as to keep their victims too powerless to fight back.

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"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."33

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    Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.33

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They say that you have to borrow from them, when in fact they are borrowing from you, or in their own words: The Good Faith and Credit of the American People

Broke into 2 sentences:

They say that you have to borrow from them. When in fact, they are borrowing from you, or in their own words: The Good Faith and Credit of the American People

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They don't mean themselves. They mean the Honest Productive People who actually start out in the day with less power and through their cooperative and productive work there is enough extra power at the end of the day to constitute something worth stealing.

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They don't mean themselves. They mean the Honest Productive People who actually start out in the day with less power and through their cooperative and productive work, there is enough extra power at the end of the day to constitute something worth stealing.

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Joe, now I really need your help...with the dashes/hyphens or whatever they are called. I think you have used - often in your writing, and then I started with the -- bit. From what I remember ready a style should be chosen and stuck with. I am inclined at this day and hour to change the 18 or so -- to - .

I don't know why I started using the -- and didn't even consider that you had already been using - .

So, do you care if I change the -- I started making to - ?

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7/18/13 Page 111 and 117 on 7/24/13
 
"If by "government" the user of the word means "them" and not "us" then how can it be "our" government?"

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"If by "government," the user of the word means "them" and not "us," then how can it be "our" government?" —Joe

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bear eavesdrops and learns as Joe has a conversation with another Friend of Liberty regarding a Grandchild performing in a debate.

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Point
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bear eavesdrops and learns as Joe has a conversation with another Friend of Liberty regarding a Grandchild performing in a debate. Come along and take a listen!

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In order to set the stage up for my answer I think it may be a good idea to define what I mean by my sympathy applied to the young person in question. I had a father who would be physically ill when he observed other people who were ill and I call that empathy. And I call that empathy only because I need a stronger word than sympathy because I am not like my father was. I am only capable of imagining what someone else is feeling. I don't myself feel bad when someone else is feeling bad.

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In order to set the stage up for my answer, I think it may be a good idea to define what I mean by my sympathy applied to the young person in question. I had a father who would be physically ill when he observed other people who were ill, and I call that empathy. I call that empathy only because I need a stronger word than sympathy because I am not like my father was, I am only capable of imagining what someone else is feeling. I don't myself feel bad when someone else is feeling bad.

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I participated in very few public speaking events, and as a child having been uprooted enough times to become very shy, or other things occurring whereby a fear grew in me of contact with many people who may have their attention aimed at me. And those fears, I can say without reservation, can be crippling to someone who may have information that is worth communicating.

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I participated in very few public speaking events. Having been uprooted enough times to become very shy or having other things occur as a child, a fear grew in me of contact with many people who may have their attention aimed at me. Those fears, I can say without reservation, can be crippling to someone who may have information that is worth communicating.

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I spoke to the voters assembled on a few occasions, and I did so without stumbling over my words, and afterwards there were some occasions whereby people shook my hand and thanked me for having made the effort.

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I spoke to the voters assembled on a few occasions, and I did so without stumbling over my words, and afterwards there were some occasions when people shook my hand and thanked me for having made the effort.

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I was the Libertarian voice during one official Congressional debate. I went alone to it, at my own expense. The incumbent did not attend at my expense too.

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I was the Libertarian voice during one official Congressional debate. I went alone to it…at my own expense. The incumbent did not attend…at my expense, too.

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It amazes me, as you may never know, that I "ran for congress," in part because of Ron Paul's example. That was the past me, and I can be sympathetic there too. Past me, is not the current me. I've slayed many dragons since.

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It amazes me, as you may never know, that I "ran for congress," in part because of Ron Paul's example. That was the past me, and I can be sympathetic there too, as the past me is not the current me. I've slayed many dragons since.

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7/18/13 Page 112 Joe, I need help here:

I purchased the ballot access, with my own earnings, for the most part, because of Waco.

Regarding "for the most part":

Did you purchase the ballot access with your own earnings for the most part?

Or

did you do that for the most part because of Waco?

After I know your intent I can punctuate accordingly.

Thanks!

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I did not mince words; I did not play the games; I did not blame THINGS for the actions of people; and I did not lose the election (it was stolen; they are all stolen with few exceptions).

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I did not mince words, I did not play the games, I did not blame THINGS for the actions of people, and I did not lose the election. (It was stolen - they are all stolen - with few exceptions.)

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I said that we are here to make sure that we do not abandon an innocent victim, and to make sure that an innocent person is not injured by us. I was excused.

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I said, “We are here to make sure that we do not abandon an innocent victim, and to make sure that an innocent person is not injured by us.”

I was excused.

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