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http://www.freedomtofascism.com./index.html One way communication is something to be concerned about; I'll call this: Dictates. I can call it that until such time as the communication offers feedback. One must credit another with the power to apply a moral conscience 'all on one's own' otherwise one may tend to place oneself as the other's keeper. The source above delivers a message and as far as I can tell that message is accurate. There is also an innuendo of sorts that suggest a need to do something. I also found some very specific and reasonable suggestions linked to that site. One of which manages to identify the stake that can kill the beast; I'll call the beast: Despotism. The beast must be feed or it will die and the beast feasts upon the people’s blood; I'll call that: Currency. Unfortunately the suggested currency is problematic. A commodity currency will suffice to circulate through some of 'the people' but not all, at least not all at once, since the supply is severely limited; not enough blood to feed the whole people. The first to recognize and use that source of currency will use it up and, then, they may charge a high cost to anyone who has not managed to find a different source of currency. Division and conflict is practically inevitable. It is akin to placing a tourniquet on the arm as the main artery at the heart continues to hemorrhage. The left arm may continue to live longer. The right arm may also manage to secure its own currency; the left and right leg too. The reader either gets it or not; I guess. Anyway I tried to post on the forum at that site and the web page froze up. I then registered on that forum and the web page froze up again. Then I sent a letter to the ‘contact’ link. That letter was sent yesterday. It is now Sunday May, 21, 2006. Here is the letter sent: This is my initial vote of confidence: |
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I received an e-mail response this morning: Monday May 22, 2006 After responding to the e-mail (forums are much better for communicating ideas to any number of people having a common interest) after responding to the e-mail I checked to see if the Fascism forum works for me today. It does not. http://www.freedomtofascism.com/cms/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=16 One way communication is dictation. One can copy and paste. Even if the only barrier that blocks feedback is a barrier inside the space between the ears, even then, the mind will only know what it selects to know. Imagine this: On the ground is a severed arm with blood splatter marking a direction from which the arm came and in that direction is a screaming individual yelling "HELP". Rushing over to the source of the noise one finds oneself. One might think: This is a terrible dream. Well the dream is so very real that one doesn't stop to pinch oneself, rather, the dreamer looks down at the screaming self and concludes that the self is very tired as one arm is used to compress and slow down the loss of blood coming out of the stump that used to be the other arm. The fix seems obvious enough. The self should help compress the wound and call for more help since the problem of blood loss requires more than a simple cure. Despite the obvious fix and much to the surprise of the dreamer; a different cure is prescribed and then executed. The two armed self says to the one armed self: I've got the fix for you and here it comes. An axe falls severing the other arm and the fixer throws that arm in a random direction as far as his arm can handle. Now the situation becomes desperate. The two armed self must use both hands to compress both wounds. Both cry for help and the new self arrives with a chain saw. Above is a description of falsehood; to the victim. It is an ignorance of ignorance and worse. Not only does one not know that one is ignorant; like having an unknown wound that kills oneself slowly. Not only that; but one is apt to use ignorance to help others; like prescribing a deadly virus to cure a simple physical wound. The cure for our wound is conscience. It has been and always will be and once that cure is more commonly understood, on that new day, our problems will be solved; one at a time. Meanwhile and during that process the lies continue to come from somewhere and those deadly microbes reproduce at an alarming rate; destroying conscience along the way like a chain saw in the hands of a madman from Texas. I think it is time to wake up too. |
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I tried again to post on the Fascism forum and could not post. I then tried to communicate my lack of ability to communicate which ended up with my name being added to an e-mail list. This is an e-mail I sent to that list:
Here are some other places that one can go to be exposed to a lot of information: http://www.prisonplanet.com/ and http://www.infowars.com/ One may find it impossible to participate in any meaningful debate concerning those sources of information. Examples of difficulties when trying to participate in meaningful debate (hint: blame no one): Personal example: http://austrianforum.com/index.php?showtopic=737 Please do, seriously, define "conspiracy theory" is the modern vernacular. Please. I am closing this thread on account of it being absurd. (Greedy Capitalist) Historical example: http://praxeology.net/HJ-HG-SPA-LMD.htm My curiosity is piqued, however, by the positions assumed by Mr. James, to see how he will maintain himself, and I find myself given over to a sort of “hope-I-don’t intrude” propensity to ask questions. Without venturing on polemics, I may perhaps be allowed, as a third party, the Socratic privilege of propounding difficulties and seeking for further information. SPA Those were interesting days. Things have not changed much. One must want to know if one will know anything not planted by someone else. |
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My efforts to communicate with the producers of the Fascism movie have proceeded. This is remarkable. Usually; an individual is excluded from participation beyond a monetary donation. When an organization of any kind maintains an open feedback loop with any individual, somehow, someway, then, that organization is, by definition, not exclusionary. That is remarkable. I think it is very significant too; like a litmus test. This thread may become larger in the future as I try to document my exchanges with the Movie people. I have joined their group voluntarily and so far we have a common purpose. I offer time and energy. I'll probably pay the price of admission to see the movie. I may even transfer more currency to the central location i.e. the producer of the movie. The questions I need answered are: What is the effect of the movie on the general public? What does the movie suggest as possible future adjustments in investments of time and energy; positive or negative? Those questions remain open for discussion and those questions, or rather those current events, remain, in my view, vital. |
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On this front: http://www.freedomtofascism.com/cms/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=16&func=showcat&catid=2 Having a voice in any endeavor is like the difference between slavery and freedom. I'm not sure as to what I should or should not say concerning current events concerning this subject. The association is somewhat disorganized and currently working toward greater focus. What can I say? Having joined in this endeavor my position appears to be similar to a 'conflict of interests' where I can be libel to charges of 'insider trading'. It is somewhat confusing to me. Patience may be the order of the day. |
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http://tree3.com/861/index.html Above is a link that was posted on the Freedom to Fascism Forum. It asks a question concerning income tax and so far the official answer is to claim that the question is frivolous. I've spent time and energy posting on the Freedom to Fascism Forum and finding much to inspire me to continue. Unfortunately the forum now excludes me. I've sent a request to be allowed back in. I may be wrong but my guess is that the Freedom to Fascism people took down the site due to the requests of the readership. Trolls, possibly including me, were posting very close to the level of spam. It was a very active forum. I saved all my posts and will venture to repost the one's I think are worth posting. Like this one:
The readers here on the Power-Independence forum, a silent few, may find cause to conclude a need for moderation on the former Fascism to Freedom Forum. No problem here  |
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http://www.freedomtofascism.com./cms/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=16 The Forum is currently offline for maintenance. The Forum above includes many of my posts such as the following: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/guillory7.html http://www.rulesonline.com/ Above are two sources that highlight the need to find agreement rather than perpetuate disagreement. Roberts “Rules of Engagement” may be preferred over these rules of engagement: http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/doc/wtroe.html One can get lost in the complexity of “Rules of Engagement” hidden behind falsehood. Here, if one is interested in further evidence supporting the notion that ‘rules’ can aid, rather than, ‘rules’ that segregate: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1410203638/103-9427322-7267803?v=glance&n=283155 The title reads: Secret Proceedings and Debates of the Constitutional Convention 1787 Quote: “The Genuine information…Relative to the Proceedings of the General Convention held at Philadelphia in 1787 by Luther Martin, …one of the Delegates in that said Convention.” “Before I arrived, a number of rules had been adopted to regulate the proceedings of the convention, by one of which, seven States might proceed to business, and consequently four States, the majority of that number, might eventually have agreed up a system, which was to affect the whole Union. By another, the doors were to be shut, and the whole proceedings were to be kept secret; and so far did this rule extend, that we were thereby prevented from corresponding with gentlemen in the different States upon the subjects under our discussion; a circumstance, Sir, which, I confess, I greatly regretted. "I had no idea, that all the wisdom, integrity, and virtue of this State, or of the others, were centred in the convention. I wished to have corresponded freely and confidentially with eminent political characters in my own and other States; not implicitly to be dictated to by them, but to give their sentiments due weight and consideration. So extremely solicitous were they, that their proceedings should not transpire, that the members were prohibited even from talking copies of resolutions, on which the convention were deliberating, or extracts of any kind from the journals, without formally moving for, and obtaining permission, by a vote of the convention for that purpose.” If there is something to hide, then, I smell a rat. You, anyone, can take my viewpoint and do with it as you please. One can ask for no more; reasonably. What that book goes on to describe is alarming and instructive. It unravels the spin, so to speak, of what did happen behind closed doors in those secret meetings. History tends to repeat itself. Falsehood remains to be the Devil incarnate. Agreement, on the other hand, is our only hope, ever and always, if the ideal is peace and prosperity for US and posterity; for friends of liberty. One might wish to pick up a copy of the rules if one is ignorant as to how people can find agreement. |
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The following is another one of my posts that appeared on the Fascism to Freedom Form (now under maintenance). http://www.freedomtofascism.com./cms/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=16 The Forum is currently offline for maintenance. My post: To Whom It May Concern: Since there have been only a few who have suggested, through innuendo, that my time and energy expended in posting on this forum is unwelcome - I continue. Here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul333.html Federal Reserve Policy Destroys the Value of Your Savings by Ron Paul “Does anyone really believe the Treasury can make us rich simply by printing more money? And this: “The coming dollar crisis is not likely to be “fixed” by politicians who are unwilling to make hard choices, admit mistakes, and spend less money.” Above are the nuts and bolts of our future in America from the voice of someone who should know. During the falsely named Great Depression there was a ‘dollar crisis’ and the politicians did not fix it. They helped cause it. The ‘fix’ was engineered by American Citizens working together toward a common cause called WWII. The falsehood concerning the ‘fix’ can be seen when someone claims these words: “War is good for the economy”. My point is that despite all the doom and gloom there has been much to celebrate concerning American ingenuity and our society’s ability to pull ourselves out of a jam despite the political criminals armed with falsehood and hiding behind false labels. Here is something bad on the horizon: “The coming dollar crisis” Here is the actual fix; minus the falsehood: “American ingenuity” Now take this: “Someday Americans will understand that Federal Reserve bankers have no magic ability – and certainly no legal or moral right – to decide how much money should exist and what the cost of borrowing money should be.” (Ron Paul) Now look at this: http://www.perfecteconomy.com/pg-parable-of-perfect-economy.html “PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy™” This: “how much money should exist” (Ron Paul) And this: “HOW TO CONVERT A FALSE ECONOMY TO MATHEMATICALLY PERFECTED ECONOMY” “FIG. 1, right: In mathematically perfected economy, the circulation always equals debt and the remaining value of production/wealth.” Back to this: “Someday Americans will understand that Federal Reserve bankers have no magic ability – and certainly no legal or moral right – to decide how much money should exist and what the cost of borrowing money should be.” (Ron Paul) Who has the magic ability? Back to this: “When they finally quieted, Franklin again answered steadily, "It's quite simple. We have created our own currency." (Benjamin Franklin quoted on People for the Mathematical Perfect Economy web site) Who has the magic ability to decide how much money should exist and what the cost of borrowing money should be? Answer: We the People who create our own currency. One more note on American Ingenuity, on this same question and answer topic, here: http://tmh.floonet.net/pdf/jwarren.pdf I won’t comment extensively on the last link as it, the subject matter in the link, requires careful study. Suffice to say that it says the same thing concerning the question and answer above, was said in 1852, proven scientifically, and preceded the falsely named Civil War; after which American Ingenuity had a real hard time pulling American society out of a jam. Above is the good news part of my post. On to the troubling news: Judeus wrote: “I am proud to say that under the leadership of Brain we managed to get 783 members on the Myspace group in this short time. At the other hand I must say that the response from this forum is extremely disapointing .Thats why Brain and me have decided to make an offer: Everybody who becomes a member,and can proof that he has posted something on this forum,wont be registrated for the blue list.You all know that everybody posting on subversive sites,is checked by the FEMA,and pre-registrated for the "camps". Thanks to Brains excellent connections we found an insider willing to PARDON the true patriots,who turn back from their mistakes. So people,take this unique chance,save your future and join our boycot.” I quoted the whole post to contrast my summation of that post as I read it: Join or suffer. If you do not join, then, you will suffer. If you do not join, then, you will be sent to a concentration camp. Blah The real doom and gloom is falsehood and there is no other way to avoid the real doom and gloom than to recognize and avoid the falsehood; no way in hell other than to see hell for what it is and then take productive steps to avoid hell. No way in hell. No way in hell. I will not join, no way in hell, and if possible - the camps, if they exist, will be curious amusement parks for friends of liberty to gawk at as a tribute to the terrible days of past falsehood. Good riddance. One more note on this post concerning what has happened in the past concerning the bad old days before We the People figured out how to identify falsehood and invent ways to work around falsehood. First another quote from the honorable Ron Paul: “The irony is that many of the Fed’s biggest cheerleaders are the same supposed capitalists who denounced centralized economic planning when practiced by the former Soviet Union.” “Supposed” anything is Fraud and frauds are very dangerous. Their victims are led to believe that someone other than the frauds is responsible for what the frauds do and that leads to a general lack of accountability; wasted effort chasing around nebulous entities – falsehood. My last quote comes from a book titled: The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben. The next quote describes how supposed capitalists operate compared to Fascist Dictators. You may find it enlightening, as I did, as to which is more dangerous: The supposed capitalists or the SS. “The construction of I.G. Auschwitz has assured I.G. a unique place in business history. By adopting the theory and practice of Nazi morality, it was able to depart from the conventional economics of slavery in which slaves are traditionally treated as capital equipment to be maintained and serviced for optimum use and depreciated over a normal life span. Instead, I.G. reduced slave labor to a consumable raw material, a human ore from which the mineral of life was systematically extracted. When no usable energy remained, the living dross was shipped to the gassing chambers and cremation furnaces of the extermination center at Birkenau, where the S.S. recycled it into the German war economy – gold teeth for the Reichsbank, hair for mattresses, and fat for soap. Even the moans of the doomed became a work incentive, exhorting the remaining inmates to greater effort.” Here is the comparison part: “Conditions were such that sickness was a pervasive fact of life among the inhabitants of Monowitz. The hospital wards built by I.G. were so inadequate that even the S.S. suggested additional wards be built. I.G. refused because of the cost.” Foot note: TWC, VII, p. 199-200 TWC is according to the book is: Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuremberg Military Tribunals, Under Control Council No. 10 ( U.S. Government Printing Office, 1953). |
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This thread is the first thread on this board to have triggered a color change on the icon; meaning it is popular. The 'view count' is just over 300. Therefore I will add a few more of my saved posts from the Freedom to Fascism Forum that is still offline for "maintenance". “Unapportioned TAX”:
The above are taken at random and intend to show how that forum was generating dialog. It was not perfect. In my view it is curious to note how difficult it is to maintain agreement; even at the simplest level where two or more people agree to disagree. Not simply walk off shaking heads mind you; something like this: A: On that point we cannot agree. B: Apparently you are quite correct; we cannot agree on that point. A: Is there anything we can agree upon? B: Obviously, my friend, we just agreed. A: Well that is a start. It is probably my failure to understand; however the evidence suggests that I am doing all I can to inspire agreement while those who disagree with what I try to communicate obviously intend to censure by attacking me personally. I've been banned from more than one forum and the individuals who ban me have yet to offer a reason for the ban. I'm simply no longer allowed to post. Usually the communications leading up to the ban follow a predictable course. I am personally attacked. I am accused of not knowing how to write coherently. I’m blamed for starting flame wars despite pleas on my part to stick to the topic and avoid personal attacks. Enough of that – my hope is that the Freedom to Fascism forum will go back on line and republish the discussions that were recorded. Who knows; the Freedom to Fascism people may even change their label around to: Fascism to FREEDOM. Wouldn't that be something worth the effort to find agreement? |
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