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Posted: Sun Apr 13th, 2014 12:11 pm

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The common law rancher, who was born naturally with a name, a good name, was not going to wait for the cows to come home, he went out and saved those cows from the evil bandits before those criminals could slaughter and bury the evidence, covering up their heinous crimes.
A steward of all that is good, nurturing, providing, helping, earning good life on earth had his, and his loving families sustenance stolen from him.
And then a modern standoff at a modern OK Corral ended as the good guys dodged that bullet.
It was a close call.
It was broadcast live to the whole world.
It was another Ruby Ridge, another Waco, set into play by the criminals running that show.
This time too history is written by the winners of that battle, but this time the criminals did not get away with their stolen loot.
This time too history is written by the good guys.
The battle is not over.

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/dodge-and-ok-corral

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Posted: Sat Dec 19th, 2015 09:49 am

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Cut and Pasted from e-mail:

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A Letter to Sheriff Ward

Friends,

I promised to keep you updated. Please read this copy of a letter I recently sent to Sheriff Ward regarding the Hammonds.

Dear Sheriff David Ward,

I have received information through multiple sources that you, in conjunction with federal agencies, have enlisted, the state, and five surrounding counties to come to your protection. That officers and military equipment have been transported to Harney County to aid in your personal security. That these officers have been heavily armed, and that the personnel involved have been put on high alert and briefed to use force upon the people as they see fit. It is to our understanding that this call out to your brothers in blue is being justified because of a personal threat directed to you, by way of an email, that you do not know who made the threat, and have no lead other than the email source.

It is this over reaction for your personal protection that we write to you in disgust. Why have you placed yourself higher than the Hammond's and higher than the people of Harney County? Why will the brothers in blue waist no time, spare no expense, and leave no effort untouched for the protection and defense of each other, meanwhile, completely ignore the very people that they are charged to defend? Why do the brothers in blue take the people's money by force and purchase military equipment and arms in the name of protecting the people, only to use it on the people themselves?

The irony is too strong to ignore. The danger is too real. The Hammond's have been unjustly charged as "terrorists"... they are ranchers. Their safety and well-being has been directly threatened by a federal agent in an open manner. They have been subject to double jeopardy. They have been sentenced to a cruel and unusual punishment. In an effort to put in duress, they have been required to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in a very short period of time. Their private water sources have been fenced off. They have been threatened with unauthorized force if they put to use hundreds of acres of their own private property. All of this has transpired right before your eyes and you lift not even a brow in their defense. You have never even been to the Hammond's home or ranch to find the truth; you have yet to go where the fires occurred to understand the circumstances. You have exhausted minimal resources, if any at all, to get to the bottom of what is going on. And yet an email, which probably came from clear across the United States, from a half witted keyboard warrior, made an idle threat to you, and immediately the feds, the state and five county departments come unglued and tactically assemble in an unstable manner with weapons pointed at the people.

It is shameful that someone as powerful as you act the way you have. It is alarming that you make no effort to uphold the duties and obligation of your office. Almost your entire adult life, you have sworn an oath to uphold and defend the United States Constitution. You have also been appointed to protect the lives, liberties and property of the people who live and come into Harney County. When we called upon you to provide that protection, you refused-and instead chose to seek more favor and power by collaborating with the violators, forgetting your duty to the people.

I offer awareness to you and other government personnel that lead or follow your example. The people are in unrest, because of these types of egregious actions. The establishment and purpose of government is to protect and uphold the inalienable rights of the PEOPLE, not to defend itself against the people. It is our duty and obligation as individuals to defend our God-given rights if our government representatives fail to do so, or tries to discard them. We as a people desire to live in peace and tranquility, but will defend our freedoms if necessary, in order to do so. We call upon you Sheriff Ward, and all civil servants, to honorably and effectively uphold the oaths and duties of your sworn offices-to turn your weapons in the defense of the Hammond's rights and truly be a representative of the people, by the people and for the people.

Respectfully,

Ammon Bundy

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http://redoubtnews.com/2017/04/03/judge-openly-laughs-defendants-rights/

My comment sent 4-4-2017.

When people trust a system built by deception, what can be expected? If people were knowledgeable about the accurate accountability process, known as trial by jury (according to the common law), also known as trial by the country, also known as trial by jury in a court of conscience, also known as the law of the land (even in America), instead of people being ignorant about this process where volunteers volunteer to hold each other to an accurate accounting through rule of law, then, having that power of knowledge, instead of powerless ignorance, the words written, and spoken, by people in this case would be words such as mixed war, in documents such a solemn recognition of mixed war. Why sugar coat the facts? Who is served by such deceptions?

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1. The law of the land in America is checked and balanced by the people themselves with their own common law at their disposal, their command, themselves. Not a request by the people to be allowed to have, hold, secure, protect, employ, and utilize a voluntary process by which the goal of mutual defense is achieved, through a process that holds each other to an accurate accounting of the facts.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/ratification/elliot/vol1/approaches/

First Congress of the founding, forming, grass-roots voluntary defense against criminal aggressors, Oct 14, 1774:

On the same day, Congress unanimously resolved, “that the respective colonies are entitled to the common law of England, and more especially to the great and inestimable privilege of being tried by their peers of the vicinage according to the course of that law.” They further resolved, “that they were entitled to the benefit of such of the English statutes as existed at the time of their colonization, and which they have, by experience, respectively found to be applicable to their several and local circumstances.” They also resolved, that their ancestors, at the time of their immigration, were “entitled to all the rights, liberties, and immunities, of free and natural-born subjects within the realms of England.”

2. Criminals, and especially criminals under the color of law, make false claims about their criminal authority, even while criminals openly torture, plunder, rape, enslave, and mass murder their victims, and victims are often "made" to believe such lies, despite the mounting evidence proving, beyond reasonable doubt, that the claims of lawful authority are lies.

Here:
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/ratification/elliot/vol1/approaches/

Notes by Thomas Jefferson recording deliberations concerning the official indictment, public notice, solemn recognition of mixed war, proposed as a declaration of independence, SATURDAY, June 8, 1776:

That the question was not whether, by a declaration of independence, we should make ourselves what we are not; but whether we should declare a fact which already exists:

That, as to the people or Parliament of England, we had always been independent of them, their restraints on our trade deriving efficacy from our acquiescence only, and not from any rights they possessed of imposing them; and that, so far, our connection had been federal only, and was now dissolved by the commencement of hostilities:

That, as to the king, we had been bound to him by allegiance, but that this bond was now dissolved by his assent to the late act of Parliament, by which he declares us out of his protection, and by his levying war on us a fact which had long ago proved us out of his protection, it being a certain position in law, that allegiance and protection are reciprocal, the one ceasing when the other is withdrawn:

3. While American, unique, adaptive, common law due process was developing, there were cases tried by the revolutionary defenders, as the offending parties were still plundering, raping, enslaving, torturing, and mass murdering innocent people whose crime was to say no more will we believe in fraudulent authority. This case was demonstrably not an English Common Law Court Case, this was an American Common Law Court Case, with or without errors made by the people who constituted the court, and the people who proceeded according to the American common law, which was, is, and can still be the law of the land in every republic (state) in the federation of states.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/1/35/

U.S. Supreme Court
RESPUBLICA v. CARLISLE, 1 U.S. 35 (1778)
1 U.S. 35 (Dall.)

Respublica
v.
Abraham Carlisle
Court of Oyer and Terminer, at Philadelphia
September Sessions, 1778

This was an indictment for High Treason, which was set forth in the following words:
'The Jurors for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, upon their oaths and affirmations, do present, That Abraham Carlisle, late of the city of Philadelphia, in the county of Philadelphia, carpenter; being an inhabitant of and belonging to and residing within the State of Pennsylvania, and under the protection of its laws, and owing allegiance to the same State, as a false traitor against the same, not having the fear of God before his eyes, but being moved and seduced by the instigation of the Devil, the fidelity which to the same State he owed wholly withdrawing, and with all his might intending the peace and tranquillity of this Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to disturb, and war and rebellion against the same to raise and move, and the government and independency thereof, as by law established, to subvert, and to raise again and restore the government and tyranny of the king of Great Britain within the same Commonwealth: On the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy eight, and at divers days and times, as well before as after, at the city of Philadelphia, in the county aforesaid, with force and arms, did falsely and traiterously take a commission or commissions from the king of Great Britain, and then and there, with force and arms did falsely and treacherously also take a commission or commissions from general Sir William Howe, then and there acting under the said king of Great Britain, and under the authority of the same king, to wit, a commission to watch over and guard the gates of the city of Philadelphia, by the said Sir William Howe, erected and set up for the purpose of keeping and maintaing the possession of the said city, and of shutting and excluding the faithful and liege inhabitants and subjects of this State and of the United States from the said city: And then and there also maliciously and traiterously, with a great multitude of traitors and rebels, against the said Commonwealth, (whose names are as yet unkown to the jurors) being armed and arrayed in a hostile manner, with force and arms did falsely and traiterously assemble and join himself against this Commonwealth, and then and there, with force and arms, did falsely and traiterously, and in a warlike and hostile manner, array and [ Respublica v. Carlisle 1 U.S. 35 (1778)
dispole himself against this Commonwealth; and then and there, in pursuance and execution of such his wicked and traiterous intentions and purposes aforesaid, did falsely and traiterously prepare, order, wage and levy a public and cruel war against this Commonwealth; then and there committing and perpetrating a miserable and cruel slaughter of and amongst the faithful and liege inhabitants thereof; and then and there did, with force and arms, falsely and traiterously aid and assist the king of Great Britian, being an enemy at open war against this State, by joining his armies, to wit, his army under the command of general Sir William Howe, then actually invading this State; and then and there maliciously and traiterously, (with divers other Traitors to the jurors aforesaid unknown,) with force and arms, did combine, plot and conspire to betray this State and the United States of America into the hands and power of the king of Great Britian, being a foreign enemy to this State and to the United States of America, at open war against the same; and then and there did, with force and arms, maliciously and traiterously give and send intelligence to the same enemies for that purpose, against the duty of his allegiance, against the form of the act of Assembly in such case made and provided, and against the peace and dignity of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.'

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/1/236/

Another American Common Law Court Case, demonstrably not a British Admiralty Court Case, nor an Equity, Exchequer, Nisi Prius, or other Summary Justice Case, and the American magistrate, judge, justice, office holder, who is not a British subject, offers logical, reasonable, information concerning the duties, powers, limits, accountability, and responsibility of American Common Law Grand Juries, and American Common Law Trial Juries (petit juries), according to the American, adaptive, grass-roots, defensive, voluntary, common law due process: law of the land.

U.S. Supreme Court
RESPUBLICA v. SHAFFER, 1 U.S. 236 (1788)
1 U.S. 236 (Dall.)
Respublica
v.
Shaffer
Court of Oyer and Terminer, at Philadelphia
February Sessions, 1788

After some conversation with the Grand Inquest, the Attorney General informed the court, that a list of eleven persons had been presented to him by the Foreman, with a request, that they might be qualified and sent to the jury, as witnesses upon a bill then depending before them. He stated that the list had been made out by the defendant's bail; that the persons named were intended to furnish testimony in favor of the party charged, upon facts with which the Inquest, of their own knowledge, were unacquainted; and he concluded with requesting, that the opinion of the court might be given upon this application. The Chief Justice, accordingly, addressed the Grand Jury to the following effect:

M'Kean, Chief Justice.
Were the proposed examination of witnesses, on the part of the Defendant, to be allowed, the long established rules of law and justice would be at an end. It is a matter well known, and well understood, that by the laws of our country, every question which affects a man's life, reputation, or property, must be tried by twelve of his peers; and that their unanimous verdict is, alone, competent to determine the fact in issue. If then, you undertake to enquire, not only upon what foundation the charge is made, but, likewise, upon what foundation it is denied, you will, in effect, usurp the jurisdiction of the Petty Jury, you will supercede the legal authority of the court, in judging of the competency and admissibility of witnesses, and, having thus undertaken to try the question, that question may be determined by a bare majority, or by a much greater number of your body, than the twelve peers prescribed by the law of the land. This point has, I believe, excited some doubts upon former occasions but those doubts have never
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arisen in the mind of any lawyer, and they may easily be removed by a proper consideration of the subject. For, the bills, or presentments, found by a grand Jury, amount to nothing more than an official accusation, in order to put the party accused upon his trial: 'till the bill is returned, there is, therefore, no charge from which he can be required to exculpate himself; and we know that many persons, against whom bills were returned, have been afterwards acquitted by a verdict of their country. Here then, is the just line of discrimination: It is the duty of the Grand Jury to enquire into the nature and probable grounds of the charge; but it is the exclusive province of the Petty Jury, to hear and determine, with the assistance, and under the direction of the court, upon points of law, whether the Defendant is, or is not guilty, on the whole evidence, for, as well as against, him. You will therefore, readily perceive, that if you examine the witnesses on both sides, you do not confine your consideration to the probable grounds of charge, but engage completely in the trial of the cause; and your return must, consequently, be tantamount to a verdict of acquital, or condemnation. But this would involve us in another difficulty; for, by the law it is declared that no man shall be twice put in jeopardy for the same offence: and, yet, it is certain that the enquiry, now proposed by the Grand Jury, would necessarily introduce the oppression of a double trial. Nor is it merely upon maxims of law, but, I think, likewise, upon principles of humanity, that this innovation should be opposed. Considering the bill as an accusation grounded entirely upon the testimony in support of the prosecution, the Petty Jury receive no biass from the sanction which the indorsement of the Grand Jury has conferred upon it. But, on the other hand, would it not, in some degree, prejudice the most upright mind against the Defendant, that on a full hearing of his defence, another tribunal had pronounced it insufficient? which would then be the natural inference from every true bill. Upon the whole, the court is of opinion, that it would be improper and illegal to examine the witnesses, on behalf of the Defendant, while the charge against him lies before the Grand Jury.
One of the Grand Inquest then observed to the court, that 'there was a clause in the qualification of the Jurors, upon which he, and some of his brethren, wished to hear the interpretation of the Judges to wit-what is the legal acceptation of the words 'diligently enquire?' To this the Chief Justice replied, that 'the expression meant, diligently to enquire into the circumstances of the charge, the credibility of the witnesses who support it, and, from the whole, to judge whether the person accused ought to be put upon his trial. For, (he added) though it would be improper to determine the merits of the cause, it is incumbent upon the Grand Jury to satisfy their minds, by a diligent enquiry, that there is a probable ground for the accusation, before they give it their authority, and call upon the Defendant to make a public defence.'

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Explanation of a Solemn Recognition of Mixed War, as the concept relates to the concept of Bonding public officials, which is a means by which the public liberty is insured against loss, when public officials injure instead of defend individual members of the public.

http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/work-in-progress/bonding-code.htm

9.2 - Escalation

Further:

    A law enforcement officer will lose his bond if he oppresses a citizen to the point of civil. rebellion when that citizen attempts to obtain redress of grievances (U.S. constitutional 1st so-called amendment).

    When a state, by and through its officials and
agents, deprives a citizen of all of his remedies by the due process of law and deprives the citizen of the equal protection of the law, the state commits an act of mixed war against the citizen, and, by its behavior, the state declares war on the citizen. The citizen has the right to recognize this act by the publication of a solemn recognition of mixed war. This writing has the same force as the Declaration of Independence. It invokes the citizen's U.S. constitutional 9th and 10th so-called amend guarantees of the right to create an effective remedy where otherwise none exists.

    "I found this insight on the UBC to be very perspicuous and most useful to the Patriot movement, but like all laws, it is useful only to the one(s) who use it and enforce it."

    Remember the etymon at the tine of law's creation and The Federalist Papers. (Read and discern until it's perspicuous.)

    "Prior law governs always." "Prior etymons govern always."

    "To act in pro se fashion in a court of law or equity is to profess in law, thus, casting yourself to drift away from logic and into the arms of a fool."

    Study the UBC, file your "criminal complaints" in timely fashion, take their money or their hides for future parchment.
MAXIM; (Universal Axiom of Law)

    All persons know that the foundation of law and the legal system exists in the telling of the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, generally by testimony, deposition, and/or by affidavit. Therefore, every honorable judge requires those who appear before him to be sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and is compelled by the high principles of his profession to protect that truth and do nothing to tamper with that truth, either directly or indirectly, either in person or by proxy, or by subornation of the affiant or other person (subornation/extortion of perjury).

    This instrument is an Affidavit of Obligation, also known as a Claim of Lien. This affidavit of obligation is a commercial instrument arising from a private or public contract, either express, constructive, and/or implied, which exists by the express, constructive, and/or implied consent of the Lien Debtor. Therefore, this Affidavit of obligation is a consensual commercial lien. This lien arises from the necessity to guarantee specific performance (oath) of the Lien Debtor. Therefore, this Affidavit of obligation is also a z-just compensation commercial lien.

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Further, reinforcing, information, voluntarily offered, in the effort to educate, inform, empower, individuals who make up the entire public group of individuals, including those individuals who are given official work in official offices for our mutual defense against all enemies foreign and domestic i.e. the government.

http://sicknesshope.com/node/2033

In American history, the Declaration of Independence served the legal purpose of making a Solemn Recognition of Mixed War, which is a Notice of Military Lien Right, a warning of No Trespass, an assertion that any killing or taking of human life necessary for the protection of the legal remedies of the common citizen is being done, in the immediate situation described in the Solemn Recognition or Notice, not as murder, but as lethal self-defense of the commercial and social remedy against the cited domestic enemy or enemies. The Declaration of Independence is the legal model or format for the construction of the Solemn Recognition of Mixed War and the Notice of Military Lien Right.

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Further evidence offered in history concerning the demarcation line between the people themselves, and their power to government themselves, and the segment of the people who constitute the government itself.

The state is divided into counties. In every county are appointed magistrates, called justices of the peace, usually from eight to thirty or forty in number, in proportion to the size of the county, of the most discreet and honest inhabitants. They are nominated by their fellows, but commissioned by the governor, and act without reward. These magistrates have jurisdiction both criminal and civil. If the question before them be a question of law only, they decide on it themselves: but if it be of fact, or of fact and law combined, it must be referred to a jury. In the latter case, of a combination of law and fact, it is usual for the jurors to decide the fact, and to refer the law arising on it to the decision of the judges. But this division of the subject lies with their discretion only. And if the question relate to any point of public liberty, or if it be one of those in which the judges may be suspected of bias, the jury undertake to decide both law and fact. If they be mistaken, a decision against right, which is casual only, is less dangerous to the state, and less afflicting to the loser, than one which makes part of a regular and uniform system. In truth, it is better to toss up cross and pile in a cause, than to refer it to a judge whose mind is warped by any motive whatever, in that particular case. But the common sense of twelve honest men gives still a better chance of just decision, than the hazard of cross and pile. These judges execute their process by the sheriff or coroner of the county, or by constables of their own appointment. If any free person commit an offence against the commonwealth, if it be below the degree of felony, he is bound by a justice to appear before their court, to answer it on indictment or information. If it amount to felony, he is committed to jail, a court of these justices is called; if they on examination think him guilty, they send him to the jail of the general court, before which court he is to be tried first by a grand jury of 24, of whom 13 must concur in opinion: if they find him guilty, he is then tried by a jury of 12 men of the county where the offence was committed, and by their verdict, which must be unanimous, he is acquitted or condemned without appeal.

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Trial by Jury explained by a famous American whose fame is not accurately accounted for in false versions of American history.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/trial01.html

FOR more than six hundred years - that is, since Magna Carta, in 1215 - there has been no clearer principle of English or American constitutional law, than that, in criminal cases, it is not only the right and duty of juries to judge what are the facts, what is the law, and what was the moral intent of the accused; but that it is also their right, and their primary and paramount duty, to judge of the justice of the law, and to hold all laws invalid, that are, in their opinion, unjust or oppressive, and all persons guiltless in violating, or resisting the execution of, such laws.
Unless such be the right and duty of jurors, it is plain that, instead of juries being a "palladium of liberty "- a barrier against the tyranny and oppression of the government - they are really mere tools in its hands, for carrying into execution any injustice and oppression it may desire to have executed.
But for their right to judge of the law, and the justice of the law, juries would be no protection to an accused person, even as to matters of fact; for, if the government can dictate to a jury any law whatever, in a criminal case, it can certainly dictate to them the laws of evidence. That is, it can dictate what evidence is admissible, and what inadmissible, and also what force or weight is to be given to the evidence admitted. And if the government can thus dictate to a jury the laws of evidence, it can not only make it necessary for them to convict on a partial exhibition of the evidence rightfully pertaining to the case, but it can even require them to convict on any evidence whatever that it pleases to offer them.

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That the rights and duties of jurors must necessarily be such as are here claimed for them, will be evident when it is considered what the trial by jury is, and what is its object. "The trial by jury," then, is a "trial by the country" - that is, by the people - as distinguished from a trial by the government.
It was anciently called "trial per pais" - that is, "trial by the country." And now, in every criminal trial, the jury are told that the accused "has, for trial, put himself upon the country; which country you (the jury) are." The object of this trial "by the country," or by the people, in preference to a trial by the government, is to guard against every species of oppression by the government. In order to effect this end, it is indispensable that the people, or "the country," judge of and determine their own liberties against the government; instead of the government's judging of and determining its own powers over the people. How is it possible that juries can do anything to protect the liberties of the people against the government, if they are not allowed to determine what those liberties are?
Any government, that is its own judge of, and determines authoritatively for the people, what are its own powers over the people, is an absolute government of course. It has all the powers that it chooses to exercise. There is no other - or at least no more accurate - definition of a despotism than this. On the other hand, any people, that judge of, and determine authoritatively for the government, what are their own liberties against the government, of course retain all the liberties they wish to enjoy. And this is freedom. At least, it is freedom to them; because, although it may be theoretically imperfect, it, nevertheless, corresponds to their highest notions of freedom.
To secure this right of the people to judge of their own liberties against the government, the jurors are taken, (or must be, to make them lawful jurors,} from the body of the people, by lot, or by some process that precludes any previous knowledge, choice, or selection of them, on the part of the government.

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This is done to prevent the government's constituting a jury of its own partisans or friends; in other words, to prevent the government's packing a jury, with a view to maintain its own laws, and accomplish its own purposes.
It is supposed that, if twelve men be taken, by lot, from the mass of the people, without the possibility of any previous knowledge, choice, or selection of them, on the part of the government, the jury will be a fair epitome of "the country" at large, and not merely of the party or faction that sustain the measures of the government; that substantially all classes of opinions, prevailing among the people, will be represented in the jury; and especially that the opponents of the government, (if the government have any opponents,) will be represented there, as well as its friends; that the classes, who are oppressed by the laws of the government, (if any are thus oppressed,) will have their representatives in the jury, as well as those classes, who take sides with the oppressor - that is, with the government.
It is fairly presumable that such a tribunal will agree to no conviction except such as substantially the whole country would agree to, if they were present, taking part in the trial. A trial by such a tribunal is, therefore, in effect, "a trial by the country." In its results it probably comes as near to a trial by the whole country, as any trial that it is practicable to have, without too great inconvenience and expense. And. as unanimity is required for a conviction, it follows that no one can be convicted, except for the violation of such laws as substantially the whole country wish to have maintained. The government can enforce none of its laws, (by punishing offenders, through the verdicts of juries,) except such as substantially the whole people wish to have enforced. The government, therefore, consistently with the trial by jury, can exercise no powers over the people, (or, what is the same thing, over the accused person, who represents the rights of the people,) except such as substantially the whole people of the country consent that it may exercise. In such a trial, therefore, "the country," or the people, judge of and determine their own liberties against the government, instead of thegovernment's judging of and determining its own powers over the people.

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But all this "trial by the country" would be no trial at all "by the country," but only a trial by the government, if the government 'could either declare who may, and who may not, be jurors, or could dictate to the jury anything whatever, either of law or evidence, that is of the essence of the trial.
If the government may decide who may, and who may not, be jurors, it will of course select only its partisans, and those friendly to its measures. It may not only prescribe who may, and who may not, be eligible to be drawn as jurors; but it may also question each person drawn as a juror, as to his sentiments in regard to the particular law involved in each trial, before suffering him to be sworn on the panel; and exclude him if he be found unfavorable to the maintenance of such a law. [1]

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So, also, if the government may dictate to the jury what laws they are to enforce, it is no longer a " trial by the country," but a trial by the government; because the jury then try the accused, not by any standard of their own - not by their own judgments of their rightful liberties - but by a standard. dictated to them by the government. And the standard, thus dictated by the government, becomes the measure of the people's liberties. If the government dictate the standard of trial, it of course dictates the results of the trial. And such a trial is no trial by the country, but only a trial by the government; and in it the government determines what are its own powers over the people, instead of the people's determining what are their own liberties against the government. In short, if the jury have no right to judge of the justice of a law of the government, they plainly can do nothing to protect the people against the oppressions of the government; for there are no oppressions which the government may not authorize by law.
The jury are also to judge whether the laws are rightly expounded to them by the court. Unless they judge on this point, they do nothing to protect their liberties against the oppressions that are capable of being practiced under cover of a corrupt exposition of the laws. If the judiciary can authoritatively dictate to a jury any exposition of the law, they can dictate to them the law itself, and such laws as they please; because laws are, in practice, one thing or another, according as they are expounded.

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The jury must also judge whether there really be any such law, (be it good or bad,) as the accused is charged with having transgressed. Unless they judge on this point, the people are liable to have their liberties taken from them by brute force, without any law at all.
The jury must also judge of the laws of evidence. If the government can dictate to a jury the laws of evidence, it can not only shut out any evidence it pleases, tending to vindicate the accused, but it can require that any evidence whatever, that it pleases to offer, be held as conclusive proof of any offence whatever which the government chooses to allege.
It is manifest, therefore, that the jury must judge of and try the whole case, and every part and parcel of the case, free of any dictation or authority on the part of the government. They must judge of the existence of the law; of the true exposition of the law; of the justice of the law; and of the admissibility and weight of all the evidence offered; otherwise the government will have everything its own way; the jury will be mere puppets in the hands of the government: and the trial will be, in reality, a trial by the government, and not a "trial by the country." By such trials the government will determine its own powers over the people, instead of the people's determining their own liberties against the government; and it will be an entire delusion to talk, as for centuries we have done, of the trial by jury, as a "palladium of liberty," or as any protection to the people against the oppression and tyranny of the government.
The question, then, between trial by jury, as thus described, and trial by the government, is simply a question between liberty and despotism. The authority to judge what are the powers of the government, and what the liberties of the people, must necessarily be vested in one or the other of the parties themselves - the government, or the people; because there is no third party to whom it can be entrusted. If the authority be vested in the government, the government is absolute, and the people have no liberties except such as the government sees fit to indulge them with. If, on the other hand, that authority be vested in the people, then the people have all liberties, (as against the government,) except such as substantially the whole people (through a jury) choose to disclaim; and the government can exercise no power except such as substantially the whole people (through a jury) consent that it may exercise.

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Forwarding to modern evidence, and leaving behind vital information concerning the time and place when the criminals took over the American Federal Government, so as to enslave everyone, is the following warning about Agent Provocateurs, or "black hats" working side by side with "white hats" in a world where the people no longer use their power to hold each other to an accurate accounting of which people, in which places, at which times, are guilty (black hat firmly on), and which people, in which places, at which times, are voluntarily working expediently, effectively, in our mutual defense against all enemies foreign and domestic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HkSAewoESg

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This last effort here and now is a link to information that exposes the sorry state of ubiquitous ignorance concerning the concept of the law as an process that establishes lawful facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAJnOx4Jgk

10. Summary

Every individual is their own gatekeeper holding back from their view all the information that does not interest, entertain, concern, validate, aid, help, protect, defend, involve, or otherwise affect each individual.

When each individual gatekeeper allows false information to be believed as true information there is a potential for the individual to then become their own worst enemy, and that is because one of the messages that constitute false information is a message that inspires the individual to believe that it is in their own best interest to reject (bar the gate) against information that asks the individual to question authority internally, and externally (domestic, and foreign).

People subjected to this particular, specific, falsehood are no good for their own defense, and by extension they are also no good for the defense of anyone else, against powers (such as deception) which render individuals powerless, in their own defense.

Therefore, with that understood, working in an individual mind, whereby the individual mind has a working, nurtured, conscience, it can be then understood that this information above, is powerless to each individual whose mind has been rendered subservient to - at least - the one deception mentioned above in this summary.

Are there any people remaining, after all the people whose minds are compromised by falsehood - all those dumbed down people - have been accurately accounted for, are they any remaining, and if so, from those remaining people, is it possible to actually form a common law grand jury, or a common law trial jury, and who will work to reach that goal, assuming that it is even possible, when accurately accounting for the fact that so many people have had their moral conscience effectively turned off by one obvious, demonstrable, lie?

How is that lie demonstrated, in time, in place, without controversy? In the Jesse Ventura Video above, the lie is demonstrated when a statement is made concerning the routine murder of people who are dark skinned, and how that information of that routine murder of people who are dark skinned, is then turned into an indictment against people with white skin, as those white skinned people are prepared to risk their lives protecting all people, no matter what may be the color of their skin.

Normally I leave the information as an open question, that is how I do things normally. This time I am going to spell things out in more detail.

The routine murder of dark skinned people ADDS to, and does not SUBTRACT from, the demand for, the vital need for, people to step up and challenge, question, the claims of authority being made by those who enable, allow, aid, abet, finance, support, those who routinely (caught red handed) murdering people, even when the murdered victims are dark skinned.

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The original (not the counterfeit) meaning of democracy was the meaning exemplified by the following quote: "That is why the Athenians saw elections as an oligarchical rather than a democratic phenomenon. Above all, the Athenians feared the prospect of government officials forming a privileged class with separate interests of their own. Through reliance on sortition, random selection by lot, the Council could be guaranteed to represent a fair cross-section of the Athenian people — a kind of proportional representation, as it were. Random selection ensured that those selected would be representatives of the people as a whole, whereas selection by vote made those selected into mere representatives of the majority." The modern (counterfeit) definition of democracy is a spin on the might makes right claim made by all would be tyrants. The original meaning of republic is also opposite many modern attempts to counterfeit, or re-define, the original meaning: res (thing) public (people as a whole), or republic, is the whole people as one forming a government. So...democracy and republic were once shared meanings, which is exemplified by James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, when they formed a political party in opposition to the falsely named Federalist Party. The party formed to oppose Nationalism hidden behind a false front of Federalism was the Democratic Republican Party, specifically formed in opposition to the Alien and Sedition Acts. Read the Kentucky and Virgina Resolutions offered by James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. How can people join in their mutual defense when communication is rendered powerless by duplicitous words?

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As to the origin of rights, or governments, the order follows the creator creation order. The creator of rights is not the constitution, certainly not the fraudulent one of 1789. The Bill of Rights was an effort to dispel the notion that the creation of man (a constitution) is somehow able to "give" people rights.

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