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| Posted: Thu Sep 15th, 2011 11:41 am |
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http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1033.html Anyone, There are simple truths and then there are complexities that branch out from those simple truths. One simple truth helps in the work of understanding how those complexities grow out like roots and branches from those simple truths. To illustrate: If all things were simple, then more people can understand, and that means that no one would have the power of knowledge over anyone else. A few examples of this illustration of why things are made complex, on purpose, so as to gain the power of knowledge over those targeted people who are confused by those invented complexities, include 2 laws constructed by the people who controlled the National government, as those people set about doing the work required to increase the flow of power flowing to the National government from the sources of power where that power is produced. Examples of things done to purposefully make things complicated so as to gain power over targeted victims: A. Federal Income Tax B. Federal Reserve Act C. Political Economy Gary North, in the link above, works on the complexity of Political Economy, so as to then publish the work he does, and the motive appears to be such that Gary North offers knowledge to those people who stumble upon that work done by Gary North. I, for one, appreciate the effort, as I already see measurable value in knowledge, and the power of meaning, being conveyed by Gary North with those published words. Gary North clues the read in on the links between Oil and The Dollar, for example. There are other examples of information that can lead to knowledge. Example: This is because we are the most productive nation on earth. Stop, please, and know the meaning of those words, in context. Despite a Federal Income Tax that connects the people running the Nation State to their victims, despite that measurable transfer of power that causes us, or we the people, to provide the means by which we suffer, as those thieves at the National Level of Government use the power they steal to steal more, as they make that Income Tax Law more, and more, and more complicated, and more, and more, deceptive, and more, and more, and more of a transfer that makes us weak, and makes them stronger, despite that, we are the most productive people on earth. Despite the Federal Reserve System of Extortion, we are the most productive people on earth. Then Gary stumbles. Gary uses the word Nation. I don't see The Honest Productive People in America as a Nation. We are free minded, free acting, people, and that is why we are the most productive people on earth. Don't forget that fact. The Nation State is a complicated creation of Legal Crime, also known as Despotism, and those people among us who fought, and won, The War of Independence fought against Despotism, against Legal Crime, and against a Nation State. Friends of liberty do not fight against people who make us provide the means by which we suffer so as to create another despotism so that we can then provide the means by which we suffer all over again, like a broken record, unless we are made to be that stupid, on purpose, for the profit of a very few. We are not a Nation, do not swallow that pill whole, it is an infection, a disease, it is cancerous. The free among us prefer a Federation, a true, voluntary, equitable, defensive, Federation; whereby the people running the Federal Government are not, by law they are forbidden, to be directly connected to the people, they are forbidden by law to have their hands directly into the pockets of the honest productive people who produce all the good faith, all the credit, and all things valuable within each Separate and Sovereign State, and within this Federal form of Government, also known as a Republic. To be clear: A Democratic Federated Republican form of government did exist under The Articles of Confederation when the people drove out the invading British army that was here, in this land, conducting an aggressive war for profit. Then a few very bad people turned that Democratic Federated Republic into a Nation State. That is not news, that is accurate history, well recorded, and it can be as in-your-face as any other fact can be, such as a person facing a hot poker slowly making its way into the soft tissue of an eye staring right at the person shoving that device of torture for pay. You pay to be tortured in despotism. Is that simple enough? You can know this, or you can continued to be deceived by this, and from this error your roots, branches, and leaves will grow out and find sewage, darkness, and poison. We are not, by design, if we have anything to say about it, a Nation State, or Despotism, or Organized Legal Crime, if we have anything to say about it, we are a government by the people, for the people, of the people, such as a working Democratic Federated Republic, such as that thing that worked to help the liberated people drive out the invading foreign army of criminals, during that War for Independence, and that form of government was written down as The Articles of Confederation. It was not a Nation State, like it is now. It was not Legal Crime, like it is now. It did not include a direct connection between those running the Nation State and the pockets of the people who produce more than any other group of people on the planet earth - then. Despite all the provision flowing to the Legal Criminals running the Nation State, here at home, despite us providing the means by which we suffer, despite all that power making us weaker, and making our oppressors stronger, we are still the most productive group of people in the planet earth - for now. Know that, it is a source of power. Knowledge is a source of power for those who know. Confusion driven into law by willful complexity is also a power held by a few over many. The Federal Income Tax, for example, is not Federal, it is a product of an obvious, measurable, working Despotism, or Legal Crime, or Nation State, or Monopoly Power, or Cartel, or Organized Crime hiding behind at thinning veil of legitimacy, and it is as complex as is required to exclude the confused from the club of insiders. The Federal Reserve Act, for another example, is not Federal, it is another very destructive invention from which the power that could have been used to make life on earth better, and less costly, is power used instead to make us suffer. We provide the means by which we suffer through the complexity of that crime called The Federal Reserve System of Extortion. Your oppressors don't call it what it is, so why do you call it what it isn't? Are you really that stupefied by their brilliance? I'm not. We provide the means by which we suffer through The Federal Income Tax theft, and the Federal Reserve Act fraud, and this is not news. If this is news to you, then get up, go to the mirror, and look at the enemy of Liberty staring back at you, you are a dupe. Too bad for us. Stop feeding the legal criminals, they have grown to become more and more criminally insane, and their insanity, and their power to make us suffer, is accelerating, growing to intolerable levels, as part of an overall strategy, as regime change is soon to be in your face, and you may find the new reality harder to look at than your own duped face in the mirror. Once The Dollar Hegemony is out, and the new regime is in, and the new regime is located in China, the plan is to make us suffer even more, as never before, and what are you going to do about it then? Pay more taxes to the fraudulent Federal government so that they ease our pain? What money are you going to use to pay those taxes? Where has your brain been these past decades, in storage? Where has your power of will been, collecting spider webs? Where has your common sense gone, into hiding? It is nearly time for me to begin the journey up north to Reno, where I plan on meeting, and listening to, the Austrian Economists at their Liberty Convention. I won't get a word in edge wise, if those odds pan out as before, but I can still listen. I don't have enough money to buy a seat listening to Ron Paul, but I did buy a seat to hear what someone has to say about The Constitution History. I'll get a measure of the most powerful organized effort to defend liberty to date, even if it is founded upon a very shaky foundation. I can return and report, if I'm not censored here again. I can return and work further on this effort here, within the sounds of silence, here where the despots work, as they censor things they prefer not to be allowed to be publish (not for public consumption) - which is an all to familiar story. How can someone lie, and still sound truthful? Make the lie complex.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19th, 2011 09:41 am |
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Hardly anyone could disagree, but say our solution was to realign wealth distribution to make it equal, doesn't that put us in charge of other people's affairs? What authority do we have to compel any human being to do anything? Freeski, When a connection between one person and another person is involuntary the motive behind that connection is probably such that one person takes something from another person, and that type of connection works with as many number of people as are connected in that type of connection. In other words: How do a few people get control over most everyone else? What KIND of system is at play? Why blame all systems for the actions of a few systems? Why blame systems at all; when only people can abuse them? If liberty, which can include systems, is confused with legal crime (or despotism): one looks as bad, or as good, as the other, so who cares which system is used, when they both are nearly the same thing? If you don't think that liberty can include a system, then there may be a need to refine the messages that intend to communicate that idea, beginning with a better understood definition of the word system. If liberty does not include any systems, then how will the liberated people work together to accomplish the necessary things that are necessary in liberty such as the production of life sustaining stuff, and the avoidance of dictatorial, oppressive, criminal, systems? Is the discovery of accurate threats to human life, and then the employment of that knowledge seeking to avoid succumbing to those threats a process that can be systematic, such as the system known as the scientific method? When language is corrupted to a point of weakness, can there be a way to communicate effectively?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19th, 2011 10:26 am |
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southernmissouri2007, I have not read that book. I can offer a viewpoint that may help answer your questions. When the left and the right of the political powers in America agree on something, it may be a good idea to understand why that agreement exists. For example: Noam Chomsky is considered to be a long standing voice from the left in America and he has written extensively about the subject of criminal actions perpetrated upon the Palestinian people by people running the Israeli Government. Dennis Kucinich, a candidate for president last election cycle, and a long time congressman in the U.S. House of Representatives, another representative of the American left, has also been critical of the actions perpetrated by the people running the Israeli Government, in reference to the crimes committed upon the innocent people of Palestine. That is the left. On the right side of American politics are Ron Paul, whose efforts include an end to the financing done by the American Government of Israel, for sound economic reasons explained by Ron Paul. Can Alex Jones be considered one of the right leaning voices in America, and if so, what does he offer as a competitive viewpoint on Zionism? Why are right and left voices producing the same messages of warning to a world gone mad? If many people have been led to believe that a few people can be exceptional, elite, and above moral law, then such a belief may make such a lie true, in those cases. In those cases where many people believe that a few exceptional people, a few elites, are above moral law, then those few can torture with impunity, and those few can mass murder with impunity, and those few can continue torturing, and mass murdering perpetually, because many people accept that behavior, from those few, allow it, and not only do nothing to stop it, the many who have risen those few above the law support those few in mind, spirit, and body, as the power from the many flows to the few, financing the few, so that the few have all the power they need to keep torturing, and to continue mass murdering their targeted innocent victims. That is what I think, and I am not left or right. I am not claimed by any God either, Christian, Islamic, Buddhist, Jewish, none claim me as their own property, since I question their authority when I see their authority making believe that a few people can be raised above moral law. When lies become belief, what happens next? When the victims are blamed for being punished: does that constitute a confession of crime by the criminal? Who authorizes the slaughter of innocent people, and what lies do they invent to cover up those crimes? How can an innocent person, who is a potential victim, accurately identify friend from foe, if not by accurate discrimination between those who are connected voluntarily to torturing mass murderers, and those who refuse to be tied into that cabal?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19th, 2011 10:58 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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When I refer to The System, I'm referring to the notion of a top-down planned, managed and controlled economy and social structure. Such a beast is immoral at its core, and if that's not enough, it simply cannot exist without widespread corruption. Freeski, When I refer to criminals, I call them criminals, and when I refer to criminals who hide behind a false front of legality, I call them legal criminals. Why call something by any other name than what it is? The false fronts hide the facts, so why, again, call something anything other than the name that describes the thing the best? When the victims are stupefied into inaction, including actions that can avoid victimization peacefully, can it then be accurately known that false labels contribute toward that stupefication? As to the Animal Farm story, again, the falsehood includes the claim that all Animals are equal. When that false claim is demonstrably false it may be a good idea to understand why someone would invent such a false claim. All people are not equal, and equality is not an achievable goal, so why are people claiming such false things, when such false things are demonstrably false, or why are some people stupefied into thinking such false things are true? The motive behind such a lie is obvious, the motive is to convince targeted victims that the targeted victims can be "protected" by a few authorities offering equality, or any other lie, just so long as the targeted victims are made to believe in the lie. Lies are half true, in many cases, or, in other words, there are some good looking things to see when looking at the false fronts that hide the lies, and those good looking things that appear to be good things on that false front of equality is the good looking concept of law when law applies to everyone, without exception. This is also understandable as a bait and switch tactic used by criminals; with or without badges. The bait: Law applies to everyone without exception. The False Front: Equality is Law applying to everyone without exception. The switch: Equality becomes a goal to reach as the few excepted people take power from the targeted victims so as to provide "equality" to all the victims, which is a goal that cannot be achieved, which is an impossible goal, and therefore the tax money sent to the people who claim to offer "equality" can never supply "equality" despite all efforts to do so, perpetually. Pull the curtain back, pull back the false front, and the true motive is exposed, the false front of equality is now known to be a confidence scheme, and instead of providing Law that excepts no one, where everyone is "equal under law", where every law applies to everyone the same way, without exception, the false lawyers, and the false judges, and the false law makers, and the false law enforcers, except themselves from law, and they use law to cover up crimes, they make crime legal for them, and they make crime illegal for their victims. That is the meaning of Animal Farm, if you can look past the fraud that is Orwell, as Orwell covers up the true meaning of Legal Crime. The message is hidden, and effort is required to see it, as accurate perception won't be delivered to you on a silver platter. Accurate discernment, and factual discrimination, is an individual power, and we are all equally bound by that physical power of judgement. We are not equal, the powers we face are equally applied to us, such as gravity. One of us may weigh a whole lot compared to another one of us, but gravity accelerates each of us at the same rate. Men are not all created equal, there are women too, and there are as many variations of inequality as there are people. If the message is that all living things are equally important to God, then God can say so, and God's interpreters can do a better job of delivering the message, and if they can't, then they are certainly not equal in that capacity. Perhaps God is testing you on this one. Who decides if you pass or not?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 07:01 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Sorry Josf, you are banned from using this forum! Continued to engage in inecessant flamebaiting after being warned not to do so.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 07:16 am |
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The context in which the censors acted at The Prison Planet Forum involved words that I failed to copy and paste here - unfortunately. Hold ON! I still have that browser open so I can "Go back one Page" My last post was this: ++++++++++++++++++++++ How do you know one from another? If each person defending against the NWO (avoiding then entirely) can be accurately discriminated from one who willfully supports the NWO, how is that done? How about setting a date in which their fraudulent money will be set aside in favor of something that isn't connected to the NWO? If a person running a business announces on their web site that yes, they too will switch over to the better money on that date, then could that not serve to spread the word, rally the troops, and support a workable method by which those who no longer want to support the NWO do that very thing? Your suggestion could include a list, and that list would be similar to the list of people signing the Declaration of Independence. I can suggest that the companies started by Elon Musk might be on that list; but how can I know for sure? I think you are on the right track, with a very good idea, a goal is in view, and a way to get closer to the goal. Thanks. +++++++++++++++++++++++ From here: improving the infowar; ethical businesses Back up more pages: I wrote this: +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Anyone, On the topic: If the first 10 amendments (Bill of Rights) can be interpreted to mean anything to anyone then what significance, to anyone, is any of the other amendments? If you have trouble understanding that sentence - blame me? The 16th is merely an announcement concerning how the legal criminals steal from their targeted victims. How about that sentence; any trouble understanding that sentence? That is a competitive viewpoint that does not need to be connected to me, it is a competitive viewpoint no matter which person voices it. Attacking the person, instead of the message, is what dictators do, no matter what the dictators say - or write - unless they actually confess their true color. ++++++++++++++++++++ That was in response to personal attacks aimed at me, not my words, personal attacks intending to silence an unwanted message - kill the messenger. I see no point in cutting and pasting the personal attacks which may, or may not, remain published on the Prison Planet Forum, I'll try to find the supposed "repeated warnings". Here is a forum post by someone who was engaged in the supposed discussion and he does not identify authority to do anything, so the supposed warning is understandable as a threat: +++++++++++++++++++++ 'When you walk in with a chip on your shoulder and challenge studied understanding with nothing more than superficial understanding and verbosity; someone's going to knock it off for you... Now opinion must be based on reality, some provable truth that can be shared and understood by others... you have demonstrated no basis for your opinion, and you refuse to provide any. This is not a message/opinion forum... it is an educational forum and library, a proof based truth forum... sorry, if at being told this it plummets you into "abject" terror. Perhaps you should take your nuanced questions and all knowing subjective opinions elsewhere? JTCoyoté ++++++++++++++++++++++++ That is in reference to the following words I wrote: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QuoteOut of the omnipotence of your wisdom you type a mountain of nonsensical word splatter such as your posts on this thread --none of which have shown a substantial counter argument, or even a modicum of understanding as to what the argument is. Your first confession. Any reasonable person, I can offer that I am not interested in arguments. I can offer that abject insult is obvious as to the content of it and it's intent. As to a confession I can speak for myself, and I do not need an interpreter. The question concerns an amendment to The Constitution. If the operators of The Constitution need anything they know how to take it, and that is clear from history on up to the present day. The words sited (The Constitution, including the 16th Amendment) are for public consumption, they are not words meant to apply to the people who seize control of the General Government, or National Government, the thing that is categorically not a Federation, and certainly not a Democratic Federated Re pubic. I confess those words, and those words are words that describe actual reality accurately. QuoteOut of the omnipotence of your wisdom you type a mountain of nonsensical word splatter such as your posts on this thread --none of which have shown a substantial counter argument, or even a modicum of understanding as to what the argument is. Your first confession. Those are words that are fabrications of imagination, and those words amount to, or measure up as, abject insult. Forums are supposed to be policed by each forum member as each forum member is taxed with the honorable agreement to refrain from resorting to abject insult, or, absent that honorable, agreeable, voluntary rule, abject insult will be used by those who use it. QuoteOut of the omnipotence of your wisdom you type Who invented this fabricated person who can be described as someone with "omnipotence" of "wisdom"? The question concerns the 16th Amendment. The people who are supposedly hired to run the Consolidated, or National, government torture and mass murder on a regular basis, and they need a steady supply of revenue (surplus wealth) from which to finance their crimes that include torture and mass murder, and so, on a scale of relevant injury, the abuse of the law power to collect a percentage of income is perceived as more or less significant than torture and mass murder? Pointing to the 16th Amendment and asking of it is Constitutional or not, it seems to me, is insignificant compared to the fact that a very few people wield the power to say what is or is not Constitutional at their pleasure. That is not me being omnipotent. That is not me being wise. That is a demonstrable observation of fact. When 1 person asks the question, on a forum, the idea may be that the question deserves an accurate answer. In order to answer the question accurately it seems to me that it is necessary to identify who does have the power to determine if anything is constitutional or not, and that necessary answer leads to a significant question concerning power. Who has the power to act according to their own interpretation of the constitution? Is one opinion more, or less, valid than another opinion? Will one person with one opinion resort to abject criticism as a method of enforcing their opinion in the face of a competitive opinion? These questions arise, in my view, and I'm not suggesting that my view is more powerful because it is my view. I see answers that compete to answer the question accurately. Quote you type a mountain of nonsensical word splatter such as your posts on this thread Abject insult is resorted to for a reason. The resort to abject insult confesses something that is not confessed truly. Quotenone of which have shown a substantial counter argument If someone thinks that something is worth arguing about, then someone can argue, and that is not me. As valid as someone's competitive viewpoint may be, concerning whatever they have an interest in, is none of my business, as to the income tax there are a few observable facts. People use what limited power they have to make more power, and that surplus power can be called taxable income. That taxable income flows from those who create it to those who collect it. Those are facts. What happens if someone no longer agrees with that transfer of wealth and once disagreement in that transfer of wealth is realized are there things that can be done, such as asking of that transfer of wealth is worth fighting against? My answer is no, since that is a lost cause, since the torturing mass murderers run the General Government, and that is much more serious, since fighting against the income tax is like taking aspirin to cure decapitation. Shove the aspirin in the mouth of the decapitated head in the basket. That is my opinion. It is measurable. My opinion is measurable. Abject insult is measurable too. Quoteor even a modicum of understanding as to what the argument is. I see no interest in an argument. Why does that forum member attach me to some nebulous argument? What is the point of making that association? QuoteThe world is projection, my good fellow, and your posts here have shown yours. As I understand projection, or transference, the process is such that someone who acts wrongly will accuse someone else of acting wrongly. What does that have to do with me? If it is true, that I am projecting, or transferring, then how can I know when the claim is made by someone who offers no evidence, no explanation other than abject insult. I would like to know examples of projection, if that is what I am doing, so as to avoid repeating such things. What words published by me are examples of projection? QuoteYou have engaged in, with at least 5000 words, what you accused me of by inference in your first post here. To your "credit" you have not only projected your "dictatorial command" but you have shown yourself in flickering arrogance, and insulting condescension, tsk-tsk. Your second confession It is common to be insulted abjectly, as is this case, what is absent is actual evidence that could direct me, or anyone, to illustrate these supposed cases of projection. I can ask for clarification, direct quotes, whereby my words exemplify a case of projection - please. QuotePut up some supportable proof, or put a sock in it... you've rambled on incessantly, attacking virtually everything said here as wrong... without support of proof, other than your ability for filibuster. There is now an order for me to choose between two options as dictated by the person demanding those two options from me and my reading of those two options are: A. Read from the script I hand to you. B. You will be censored. Those are not options, those are dictates. I don't follow orders well. I still think it is wrong to obey unconditionally - without question. As to the proof of The Constitution being enforced by people who interpret it, as they please, I can offer an example: http://www.petitiononline.com/brownirs/ The Browns are being destroyed for asking a question. http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html QuoteAMENDMENT XIV Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868. Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment. QuoteSection 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. Ask and you may prove to be exemplary. Moving onto the forum member known as MonkeyPuppet's published words: QuoteCute. I'm a "proponent" of a criminal enterprise? If the shoe fits, often, the wearer denies it. These are words, here, and actual receipts along the paper trail (or digital trail) can prove what is supported and by whom, to what extent, and absent a confession, acts confess. QuoteNow, let me be as wordy, but with substantiating information (as opposed to sophistic rhetoric) to back up my position on the subject. A connection between my viewpoint and the viewpoint expressed by MonkeyPuppet is either justified or it is unjustified. I have no interest in the arguments concerning what MonkeyPuppet thinks is, or is not, Constitutional about the 16th Amendment, nor the opinions of the members of the current Supreme Court, nor the opinions of the current President of U.S.A. (Inc.), since I now that all those arguments are window dressing, cover stories, distractions, shunts, misdirections, busy work, arguments for the sake of argument, willful, purposeful, confusion, so as to disarm the targeted victims. If MonkeyPuppet wants to clearly express her arguments, or whatever his that forum members special interest, it has nothing to do with me, or my viewpoint, as my viewpoint is specifically not connected to that viewpoint, unless someone specifically connects my viewpoint to another viewpoint. Is my viewpoint connected in any way to another viewpoint, as if in some strange argumentative arrangement that somehow manages to leave me out of the connection? QuoteIt is the federal income tax. I see almost no connection between my viewpoint and the viewpoint of the person who chose the name MonkeyPuppet - with that exception above. Unless the meaning of the word Federal is meaningless the income tax is not a federal tax, it is a National tax, it is a tax that connects the people running the Nation State with the people who produce wealth directly, as it works in reality, not as it may work according to someone who volunteers to interpret the misnamed federal income tax. People, actual people, work, and a part of their pay goes from them to the people who are hired to run the Nation State. If that is not a fact, then someone could explain all those numbers on my pile of check stubs where my earnings, each week, were reduced by a transfer, a paper (or digital) record, from me, to the misnamed Federal government. People, not just me, earn what we need and a part of our earnings are transferred to those people hired to run the Nation State that is mislabeled as a "federal" government, which it is demonstrably not a federal government if the word federal has a specific meaning, not two meanings, where one meaning is a synonym for a National Government and the other meaning is defined by such as examples as the Democratic Federated Republican form of government examples provided in history as The Articles of Confederation. Con - Federation. That is my connection to the opinion expressed by MonkeyPuppet; whereby this so called "federal" government is not a federal government, it is a Nation State, or despotism, or legal crime ring. They say what words mean, and they prove it. That is my connection to the expressed opinion of MonkeyPuppet, and not much else. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ After the supposed warning from the undeclared authority policing (censoring) that forum I wrote these words: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QuoteI've explained why a portion of your earnings are transferred to the federal government. You're simply refusing to read... that's willful ignorance. Anyone, The point at which my connection to the opinion of MonkeyPuppet's opinion terminates is the point which any opinion other than the one that counts is as good as any other one, it is irrelevant. Those who enforce the National monopoly on force do as they please, and they have already proven their power to be sufficient to over come these few forum members who may or may not discuss, or may or may not argue the meanings of the words written on papers. There are many things I do not read, because many things are irrelevant, and because I have only so much time. QuoteYour payer is stealing from you and handing it over. You don't know me, yet you appear to claim to know me. How does that work out in your mind? When I pay I pay because the options are more costly at the moment, to suggest that someone else is responsible for my decisions, if that is what you are doing, is false. If that is what you are doing, you are claiming things that are false. I can't tell what you are doing, exactly, so I try to leave you, and your opinion, out of my reports of the information I understand to be true, such as the relevance of any other opinion besides the opinion that counts. QuoteThey then file a federal tax form which claims that all the monies paid to you were generated via the engagement of an activity which falls under federal taxing jurisdiction. In those words above are meanings that suggest that you support some nebulous federal taxing jurisdiction, which I don't, when people steal, by way of deceit, and by way of threats of violence, and by way of examples of violence, they steal, those ways. I don't call it "federal taxing jurisdiction" since I know better than to parrot those lies. It is crime, and it has been made legal by criminals. The victims can decide to deal with being victims in their own ways. My was isn't to support such things by parroting the official sounding lies. It is not federal, it is National. It is not "taxing" it is stealing. It is not a jurisdiction so much as it is turf or territory over specific targeted people not so much as it is territory over land, as a matter of consequence the people tend to be within geographical areas but even that connection between the targeted people and the actual geographical location of the people being targeted is in a word: transient. There may be a better word. QuoteIt may be untrue, but that doesn't matter to your payer... they don't know the law and simply follow instructions from CPA's, tax attorneys and from the publications put out by the IRS which have no force or effect of law. Your use of the word "they" as a set of people who act in the manner you say, that may be true of some people, some times, and it may be a large number of people doing what you say they do, but my guess is that there are about as many variations from your supposed reasons as there are people and even more since each person may decide to do something this day, for this reason, and the next day the rationale may change completely, even if the actual transfers of money remain the same. I call the process extortion when the payments are done with reservation, and I call the process stealing when the payments are made despite the objections of those who express reservations. I don't read from that false script, and if more accurate terms appear to be foreign to your ears, that is your business, not mine. When the payments are voluntary I call that investment. If someone is ignorant, then someone is ignorant. You can claim that I am ignorant concerning your viewpoint, and I can agree. You can claim that my use of words like extortion is ignorant, and I can disagree. Whose opinion matters? Whose opinion counts? QuoteThe IRS is complicit, for sure, but only insofar as they refuse to request confirmation from you as to the nature of the activity which generated the income. The IRS can't be complicit, for sure, since the IRS is a legal fiction. People decide and people act. If people decide to target other people for exploitation that is what they do with or without a badge, or a license, or supposed authorization from some a supposed authority. You then use the word "they" as if everyone in the IRS is one person, which is demonstrably false. Some people in the IRS set policy, others follow orders. Which "they" falls under the set of people doing the things you say they do for the reasons that you say they do those things? They extort. That is what they do when they extort. When they collect from people who voluntarily send them money then they are collecting money paid to them voluntarily, unless the "volunteers" are suffering from a fraud, where the volunteers think that they are making a sound investment based upon what they are told, when in reality they are the victims of fraud. QuoteOh wait, they DO... and you file a 1040 confirming that as fact when it may or may not be the case. I confirm no such thing, when the legal criminals can torture me or murder me I know the score, and if I'm told to sign I sign as directed until such time as I have the power to disconnect from those legal criminals, at which time I will, and then I will have opted out, having found an option. Just because you, and some other people in the same army of liars, parrots, and thieves claim that my reasons for doing something are my reasons does not make your claims true. When the army begins torturing and mass murdering that is most certainly true as measured by the screams of pain and the piles of murdered bodies. I know that all that window dressing is a pack of lies, and it was so from the beginning, at the National level, and I'm not alone, those who opposed that usurpation have warned those who became victim to it. QuoteTo make things worse, there are regulations requiring those for whom certain tax forms have been filed must subsequently file other forms to account for the money trail. Regulations can't "require", which is another lie, that you parrot because you may not know better, or you invent, or whatever reason you harbor for publishing such lies. A word on a document somewhere in some place does not require anything. A person may use a word written in a document stored in some building to justify their actions, and their actions may be called a requirement by them as they explain why they act, if that is what they do in any case whatsoever. You then use the word must as if there are no options according to you and to whomever else agrees with you as to what must be done. I don't. I will always question such things especially since I understand why such things are raised falsely from a suggestion seeking agreement, such as a Stop sign on a road, and something that must be done as if there are no options. Why use the word "must" and the word "require" and other such nonsense? I can guess. You are among those who claim that laws are mandatory, not optional. A criminal doesn't think so, and laws are not mandatory, they are optional, and therefore the obvious question is: who are these people who actually believe that these laws are required and that they must be followed - the victims? Pay There is no option. Obey Do not question (it says so right in The Constitution) QuoteThe original reporting instrument (the W-4 or 1099) is the only evidence they need to enforce those regulations. Excuse, rationale, parlor trick, fraud, color of law, fake, or lie, but "evidence" - you choose the word evidence as if some word magically makes stealing something other than stealing, or that some word on some paper makes extortion something other than extortion, and your opinion somehow trumps mine? QuoteBlame your employer, not the IRS, the federal government, the Constitution or the 16th Amendment. As I've said repeatedly, the problem is ignorance. Often the dictators among us pretend to blame the victims - they know better - but that is the story and they stick to it. Blame the IRS? If any measure of defensive power is wasted on blaming the IRS, which is a legal fiction, then that rouse works to that extent. If any measure of defensive power is wasted on blaming the federal government, which is a false name on a fraudulent legal fiction, then that rouse works to that extent. If any measure of defensive power is wasted on blaming the Constitution, which is a usurpation, then that rouse works to that extent. If any measure of defensive power is wasted on blaming the 16th Amendment, which is a description of how the legal criminals steal from the people they target, as with all those other rouses the actual legal criminals will perpetuate their actual crimes which now include torture, mass murder, and threatening the survivability of the human species. QuoteAs I've said repeatedly, the problem is ignorance. Such as an ignorant misapplication of defensive power that does not accurately identify the legal criminals who run the National level extortion racket? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And these: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QuoteWhen you walk in with a chip on your shoulder and challenge studied understanding with nothing more than superficial understanding and verbosity; someone's going to knock it off for you... Now opinion must be based on reality some truth that can be shared and understood by others... you have demonstrated no basis for your opinion. and you refuse to provide any. This is not a message/opinion forum... it is an educational forum and library, a proof based truth forum... sorry, if at being told this, it plummets you into "abject" terror. Perhaps you should take your nuanced questions and all knowing subjective opinions elsewhere? Anyone, How can you tell when a dictator is lying? Ask? What constitutes a chip on one's shoulders? Are there any examples of such things so as to know what a chip on one's shoulder is? Once this chip is knocked off, where is it, where is this chip that is knocked off? QuoteNow opinion must be based on reality some truth that can be shared and understood by others... you have demonstrated no basis for your opinion. and you refuse to provide any. Which opinion is in question? Why is the character assassin avoiding details that could lead to an exemplary illustration of that which is claimed? QuoteThis is not a message/opinion forum... it is an educational forum and library, a proof based truth forum... sorry, if at being told this, it plummets you into "abject" terror. Character assassins resort to this construction as a general rule. The idea is to create this Man of Straw, this fictitious person who "plummets" or does other imaginary things and then this fictitious construction will be given a name and the name of this fictitious being will be the same name as someone who is targeted for character assassination, so that the imaginary character of the fictitious being will be falsely associated with the targeted victim. This is not news. QuotePerhaps you should take your nuanced questions and all knowing subjective opinions elsewhere? If there is any request by anyone along the lines of me being requested, politely, to refrain from participating in this, or any, public discussion I can take such things under consideration, certainly. If, on the other hand, the idea is to censor an unwelcome exposure of lies, then that can be known too. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ No warning, a threat followed by censorship, for the crime of failing to read from the script dictated by the dictators. What do dictators do? 1. Lie 2. Threaten 3. Resort to violence Knowing better is just that
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 07:45 am |
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In an effort to know better I sent a message to the following Prison Planet Contact e-mail address: writers@infowars.com I sent the following: Censorship Hi, Not expecting anything, just asking, what was my real crime, according to any serious person, which resulted in the punishment of censorship? http://www.power-independence.com/view_topic.php?id=679&forum_id=4&jump_to=4924#p4924 I've been a member of The John Birch Society I've won honorable mention for a contest entry written to JPFO I've managed to get on the National level election ballot for U.S. Congress in my district as a Libertarian candidate in 1996 I've worked with National efforts to hand deliver petitions to standing Congressmen. You have trolls running your forums, and your answer to me will confess your stand on censorship. No answer is an answer. Resort to deception is an answer. I can look at the Prison Planet Forum from another I.P. address to report to you that one of my forum topics on your forum is listed with 88 replies and 5345 page views. I was not given any warning, the sentence was executed upon me without any allowance for a reasonable defense, and that exemplifies dictatorship. If your group sends that message, then your goal is obvious to anyone caring to know the truth. Joe Kelley
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 07:56 am |
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As was the case with banishment from The Austrian Forum awhile ago my published words have not been immediately deleted from the forum by the censors. These are lessons to be learned as to just how deep the infection of legalized crime goes into the fabric of human society. What drives censorship other than the obvious fear of being exposed as a liar to oneself, let alone the fear of being exposed as a person who resorts to deception as a means of gaining power over the people who are targeted with lies? Suppose, for the sake of knowing better, and specifically not for the sake of argument, suppose that a person was reaching for the goal of liberty, and as such that person was, by that willful act of reaching for the goal of liberty, moving willfully away from crime, would such a person resort to deceit to reach that goal? Who would be the target of fabricated falsehoods if someone did find deceit to be a thing that could move a person closer to liberty, and therefore move a person further away from crime? How about an example? Anyone?
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29th, 2011 10:49 am |
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Anyone, The people at Prison Planet responded by erasing all traces of the words that they do not want other people to read. Please note the significance of that effort. If all that the people at Prison Planet wanted was to maintain an open and honest dialogue, and to do that they discourage what they call "flame baiting", then why would they see any need to pick through their forum and remove pages of their own forum where they published words that had no problem with any of their readers, where the words were viewed thousands of times according to their own published page view counts, and no one was "baited" into flames? What was the real reason for my censor and what was the real reason for removing all those published words? Dictators, or any cartel, monopoly, or single power cannot exist while competition exists; therefore competition must be eliminated in order for dictators to maintain a single power. Please consider that competitive perspective.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11th, 2011 01:07 pm |
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Red Flag Please note: My forced removal from the Prison Planet Forum was, precisely, a cult like effort to censor the messages I offer to anyone seeking a competitive viewpoint. Either Alex Jones has cult members working for him, infiltrating his organization, or Alex Jones is just another layer of deception. Listen to the heart felt words in the video as one person works to expose the lies, and note how deep the lies go. When you refuse to hear words, listen please, those words may help you expose your own cherished lies. What the Alex Jones cult members did not want to hear included words that effectively expose their own despotic duplicity. When I showed them how they too are despots, how they too censor, and how they too resort to deceit, they confessed that fact by actions, while they claimed to be the opposite, while they demonized the messenger who dared to expose their lies. We are change, and Alex Jones, may be as corrupted as any of the people they say are corrupted, and that is worth noting. I have first hand experience in this, as documented in this incomplete record of that very experience between the cult member of Alex Jones and the competitive messages I published on their forum. My words were meticulously deleted from that forum, sent down the memory hole. Why?
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