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| Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 07:56 pm |
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http://www.infovel.ch/eng/veicoli_lista.asp?prop=ok&propulsione=1&cat_ID=1
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 08:03 pm |
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http://www.lionev.com/Vehicles.html
 
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28th, 2007 10:12 am |
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http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/09/27/video-prius-will-go-62-mph-and-beyond-in-all-electric-mode/ More POWER
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| Posted: Thu Oct 4th, 2007 11:54 am |
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Iowa+store+energy+under+ground+wind+farm Not enough power to load the story at this time. Need more power.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2007 10:34 am |
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http://www.physorg.com/news111763283.html Irish company claims wave power success A prototype wave energy converter has begun harnessing electricity from Atlantic waves off the west coast of Ireland, the Wavebob company said on Tuesday.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29th, 2007 07:37 pm |
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_SD_Wind_Power.html
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30th, 2007 03:43 pm |
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http://greenoptions.com/2007/10/28/minneapolis_mayor_first_to_use_plug_in_hybrid_as_official_car Since he was first elected in 2002, Mayor Rybak’s official car has been a Toyota Prius. But the dramatically superior gas mileage of a plug-in hybrid vehicle prompted him to make the switch: he had his hybrid converted to a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle, from which he expects to get about 70 miles per gallon (mpg) compared to his average 40 mpg with the Prius. A plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) is like a regular hybrid with a cord. That is, its battery can be recharged by plugging it into a regular 120-volt outlet.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30th, 2007 04:19 pm |
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http://www.lipmagazine.org/articles/featawehali_nativefutures.htm
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| Posted: Thu Nov 1st, 2007 03:42 pm |
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http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1106/
http://www.magnegas.com/ The PLASMA ARC FLOW™ process recycles liquid waste
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| Posted: Mon Nov 5th, 2007 03:21 pm |
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http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSSYD22647720071104
http://www.onlineconversion.com/ 10 megawatt = 10 000 kilowatt Per hour? Kilowatthour = $ .13 at my house $ 1,300.00 per hour $7 million cost to build divided by 1,300.00 per hour 5385 hours 224 days Try that backwards? $ 1,300.00 times 24 hours per day = $ 32,200 per day $ 32,200 times 224 days = $ 7,212,800.00 Power is powerful. How many years will the Solar Plant run and how much does Sunlight cost compared to Coal? The Queensland government said the station would deliver about 30 million kilowatt hours of electricity a year, enough to power the entire town. It is expected to be running by early 2010. http://www.onlineconversion.com/energy.htm 30 000 000 kilowatt hour = 30 000 megawatthour 30,000,000 times $ .13 = $3,900,000.00 Two years to pay off the cost (not including maintenance) of construction (7 million). The Solar Panels I've looked at for sale have 25 year warrantees. Suppose the Plant turns out 3 million for 20 years? That is to say that 900 thousand is spent on maintenance and 5 years are spent to pay off the 7 million construction cost = a lot of room to haggle. $3,000,000.00 times 20 = $60,000,000.00 Subtract the orignal cost of 7 million (make it 10 million to round off) and arrive at 50 million gain for 10 million invested. How much is that as a percentage? 10 million spent returns 10 million and adds 50 more million to the investment over 25 years time. This isn't too tough to see clearly. A home morgage is loaded from a bank for 30 years and the BANK recieves the entire principle plus double the cost of the house in 'interest'. For a 10 million dollar house that would be 10 million profit to the bank. 10 million loaned. 10 million returned (principle). 10 million recieved as profit over 30 years time. Solar Panel investment is better. 10 million invested 10 million paid back in less than 5 years. 50 million profit in 20 more years. Last edited on Mon Nov 5th, 2007 03:40 pm by Joe Kelley |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 10:59 pm |
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http://www.greendaily.com/2007/11/14/greenfinance-investing-in-the-wind/
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| Posted: Sun Nov 18th, 2007 04:13 pm |
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=ultraviolet+solar+panels&spell=1 http://www.otm.uiuc.edu/techs/techdetail.asp?id=326 http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4093473.html http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html?source=google&gclid=CO-7vO6Z548CFSfQIgodzDGhYw#Anchor-35326 One of those links claims: Increased efficiency: At $6 per watt, the photovoltaic process is still an expensive method for producing electricity when compared to fossil fuels. The goal for solar energy is to reduce the cost to $1 per watt, which would make it a financially viable alternative energy source. One of the barriers in producing practical amounts of energy from sunlight is that less than 40% of the light that encounters a panel effectively stimulates the crystalline silicon semiconductors. Our nanoparticle treatment increases the UV conversion efficiency by about 30%, with vast potential for further improvement. A watt is produced each second of time. A watt is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megawatt#Megawatt The watt (symbol: W) is the SI derived unit of power, equal to one joule of energy per second. A human climbing a flight of stairs is doing work at the rate of about 200 watts. An automobile engine produces mechanical energy at a rate of 25,000 watts (approximately 30 horsepower) while cruising. A typical household incandescent light bulb uses electrical energy at a rate of 40 to 100 watts, while the energy-saving compact fluorescent lights which are replacing them use 8 to 20 watts How many solar panels equal 25,000 watts? 25,000 watts divided by 180 = 139 (rounded off to 140) 800 dollars times 140 = 112,000.00 That is abstract, or, illustrative of cost/benefit One hundred thousand dollars worth of Solar Panels to power a car while cruising. That does not compute to 'how many solar panels are needed to power an electric car' and that does not compute to 'how much does it cost to fill up my electric car with enough power to go 100 miles'. An 800 dollar Solar Panel will pay for itself in the time it takes to produce 800 dollars worth of electricity. Do you understand this fact? 180 watts per second creates a number of kilowatts per hour. How many?
How about this: How many 180 watt solar panels are needed to produce 1 kilowatt? 1000/180 = 5.55 800 times 6 = 4,800 For the cost of 5 thousand dollars a Solar Panel System can produce 1 kilowatt. Suppose now that the System produces 1 kilowatt for 8 hours per day. Suppose 13 cents is a current price for electricity per kilowatt hour. Now suppose that a Solar Panel system produces electricity for 25 years. 365 days times 8 (hours) times 25 equals total production in kilowatt hours. 73000 hours Times .13 cents = 9,490 See this please. Investing 5,000 produces 9,480, or, almost twice the cost of the Solar Panel System. This can be compared to a home mortgage in reverse. You borrow 100,000 for a home and 30 years later you pay 200,000 total in interest and principle. You pay 5,000 to begin producing 1 kilowatt per hour and 25 years later you have produced 9,000 dollars worth of electricity (assuming the price of electricity does not go up or down). Suppose the price of electricity stays the same for 15 years. 15 years times 8 hours a day and 365 days times .13 cents equals 5,695 After 15 years the Solar Panels have paid for themselves and the next 10 years (with a 25 year warrantee on the solar panels) are 10 years to save for the next system. If the price of Solar Panels goes down and the output of Solar Panels go up, then, those 10 years can pay for a whole new system to create costless power. 15 years to pay for the System. 10 years to save for the new and better system. Costless power for as long as the new and better system lasts (compared to payments currently made to keep power flowing at .13 cents per kilowatt hour). So...the investment in Solar Panels right now is better than any payments for oil POWER. You pay for gasoline. You do not invest in gasoline. How about going back to the link where a person can get an electric car now? http://www.lionev.com/Vehicles.html Note: Sold out LionEV currently offers two vehicles. The electric vehicle versions of the Hyundai Accent, and the Hyundai Tucson GLS. All of the comforts you have been accustomed to without the need for a visit to the pump. 100 to 400+ driving ranges depending on conditions and the core you choose. A complete charge on the battery core for each vehicle runs around $3.00 as of June 2007. Compare this to a full tank in the Accent at $36.00 and in the Tucson $45.00. How do they come up with a 3.00 dollar cost for POWER? From that site: Power: 72+ kW , 110 HP Fuel economy equal to 114+MPG How can that compute? How about the FAQ? http://www.lionev.com/FAQ_s.html
How does 6.174 KWh compute with 72 kW POWER? How about division? 72 divided by 6.174 = 12 (rounded up) 12 batteries? Full power for one hour? 24 batteries and full power to two hours? Normal high constant draw is 600 Amps, constant draw normal is 250 Amps.
9 hours of charge and 3 dollars of charge? How about 3 dollars of kilowatt hours at 10 cents per kilowatt hour? 300 divided by 10 equals 30 kilowatt hours. Well...I sent an order for both cars to gain more information before investing the 1000 dollars deposit. Here is something: Our high end test mileage is 456 miles, the lowest test mileage achieved was 72 miles. That test was done while towing a 22 foot boat on a trailer. We probably would not have done as well if we had not put the boat on a trailer, but since we didn't catch any fish the day was pretty much a waste of time. So...9 hours of charge (at an unknown rate so an unknown cost per kilowatt hour) POWERS a car for 72 miles at least and up to 400 miles. For a taxi service, then, three cars can alternate on the charge and running as such: 24 hours a day divided by 9 hours charge time equals 2.7 (rounded up to 3). No gasoline cost. Solar panels pay for themselves in time. No fuel costs.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19th, 2007 12:18 pm |
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18742.htm The link above speaks of 'peak oil' and scarcity. Please do some math. Power is abundant on this planet and human beings have only scratched the surface on the tip of the tip of the iceberg of POWER. The whole concept of scarcity is engineered in order to control human POWER. Do the math. Sunlight is one source of POWER. Heat from sunlight causes air mass to move (wind) which is another POWER. Ocean tide changes caused by gravity POWER from the moon is another immense POWER. Take any single method of tapping into one of the above mentioned POWER sources and realize (do the math) how just one of those methods can energize human economy at least as much as any WAR has done in human history. Think about this please. Imagine the new LEADERSHIP POWER (a president, a congress, a scientific community, a combination of many human leadership powers) declaring WAR on SCARCITY. You can't imagine? How well have you been conditioned, propagandized, controlled, governed, shackled and injured by SCARCITY of imagination POWER? What has happened to your will to survive? Where is your power? Why not imagine for a moment? WAR ON SCARCITY DECLARED The method can be compared to any WAR on any other PEOPLE; however – instead of a WAR ON PEOPLE this WAR ECONOMY is aimed at SCARCITY and any cause of it. The causes will be under rocks, in shadows, behind skirts, and the causes will be using children as human shields. The causes will be falsehoods, liars, thieves, torturers, and mass murderers. The causes will not be natural. Nature provides an abundance of POWER. When WAR is GOOD for the economy the paper trail proves this fact and the people who profit from war, in fact, gain at the expense of the people who are defeated in WAR. Take any WAR and do the math; follow the money – see the truth. What happens when WAR ON SCARCITY is declared? Compare and see. Is there a scarcity of bloodshed? Is there a scarcity of bombs? Is there a scarcity of limbs severed from bodies? Is there a scarcity of starving refugees? Is there a scarcity of depleted uranium projectiles and is there a scarcity of nuclear fallout? Is there a scarcity of heartache? When WAR is declared falsely, then, those scarcities above are man made to order and paid in FULL. The scarcity is filled by order. Blood flows. Bombs fall. Limbs are separated from bodies. Refugees fill the streets. Poison fills the air. Hearts are broken by the millions and the POWER to fill these invoices is found somehow. When WAR is declared the POWER is found – somehow. What happens, and use your own brain for this thought process, when WAR is declared upon SCARCITY itself? The POWER to fill the invoices will be found somehow. Is there a scarcity of jobs? Is there a scarcity of raw materials? Is there a scarcity of finished products? Is there a scarcity of demand for finished products? Is there a scarcity of knowledge? Is there a scarcity of accurate information? Is there a scarcity of relevant and current NEWS? Is there a scarcity of ENERGY? Who is the ENEMY? How will the POWER be found to fill the invoices required to win the WAR ON SCARCITY? Instead of ordering 1 million more bombs to destroy 1 million more people in order to STOP the flow of 1 million more barrels of OIL, instead of that, how about ordering 1 million more Solar Panels and 1 million more electric cars to DESTROY the scarcity of OIL? If you cannot see this reality, then, you have identified the POWER of the ENEMY of mankind; you have found FALSEHOOD – it exits between your ears. Last edited on Mon Nov 19th, 2007 12:48 pm by Joe Kelley |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19th, 2007 09:40 pm |
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http://jalopnik.com/cars/future-cars/300-mpg-electric-vehicle--plug+in-hybrid-for-under-30k-324491.php
How much does it cost to charge up 120 miles worth of electricity?  How about some math? Compared 300 miles per gallon with 30 miles per gallon. 3 dollars to go 30 miles 3 dollars to go 300 miles If you commute 100 miles per day 5 days a week for 10 years? 5 times 52 equals days per year times 10 years: 2600 miles Now divide that total for 10 years commute by 30 to get how many gallons of gas will be purchased and times that by 3 dollars. OOOOPs I forgot to add 100 miles per day. I need to do that one step at a time (I'm stupid). 5 times 100 equals miles per week: 500 miles per week times 52 weeks in one year: 500 X 52 = 2600 26,000 miles per year times 10 years equals total miles for 10 years commute 260,000 miles (just add one zero) Now divide by 30 (miles per gallon) to get total gallons used in 10 years commute: 8666.67 gallons for 10 years commute. Times that by 3 dollars to get total cost for 10 years with 100 miles per day and 5 days a week commute with a 30 miles per gallon car. 26,000.00 dollars. Check that with a daily cost? 100 miles per day. 100 divided by 30 equals gallons per day: 3.333333 Times 3.33 gallons by $3.00 9.99 or 10 dollars per day. 50 dollars per week 50 times 52 per year is: 2,600 per year 10 years is 26,000 So... 30 compares to 300 with one zero subtracted. 260 dollars per year commute 100 miles and 2,600 dollars per year for the 100 mile per day commute for 10 years. Savings is 26,000 minus 2,600 equals: 23,000 Note: If you pug the thing in at night you can commute 100 miles without buying any gas. How much does it cost to charge the thing up?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 11:18 am |
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http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/articles2.cfm?TID=373In the example above, the average car requires 20 horsepower to drive at a speed of 50 miles-per-hour on a level surface. On this basis, the average car requires 370 watt-hours of power to go one mile. At $10 per kilowatt-hour, it only costs you 3.7 cents to travel one mile. Compare this to an economy sedan that gets 30 miles per gallon. At $3.00 per gallon gasoline, it will cost nearly three times as much, $.10 per mile, to drive this car using gasoline. And at night when electric cars are being charged, electricity rates are often much lower than $.10 per kilowatt-hour. It is possible to drive an electric car for as little as $.02 per mile! This arbitrage between the cost per mile of gasoline power vs. the cost per mile of electrical power is an awesome opportunity, but only one that can be exploited by battery-powered cars, which can convert 90% of grid electricity into power going into the motor, compared to the electrolyser / fuel cell combination, which only can deliver 42% of grid electricity into power going into the motor.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0852960131/ecoworld0f-20 Last edited on Sat Nov 24th, 2007 11:30 am by Joe Kelley |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 11:33 am |
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http://got2begreen.com/the-first-ever-solar-hydrogen-house/
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24th, 2007 07:38 pm |
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http://sfreporter.com/articles/publish/outtake-112107-nuke-to-the-future.php
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25th, 2007 08:26 am |
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http://legacy.prospermag.com/go/prosper/business_blog/ed_ring/the_hydrogen_hoax/index.cfmTheoretically, electrolyzing hydrogen from renewable electricity and water is a way for hydrogen to make economic and ecological good sense. But this analysis neglects to consider where the electricity will come from, and more importantly, the significant conversion losses incurred when electricity is electrolysed into hydrogen. The hydrogen resulting from a process of electrolysis will have at best about 65% of the energy that was in the electricity used to make it.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25th, 2007 01:52 pm |
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http://www.sovereignty.net/p/clim/wind-leo.htm
 "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." - Herbert Spencer
I will have a hard time reading this one after reading that quote above since, and as a matter of fact, I know someone with a Wind Generator and he gains power. This is as simple as it gets. He spent power. He gained the power back and now he gains power; or so the story goes. I was not present when he paid for the Wind Generator. I don't know the date the Wind Generator paid for itself and there is a possibility that my information is wrong. I drive by his house now and again and I see more Wind Generators popping up here and there around rual areas. They turn. They generate electricity. Every kilowatt generated is another kilowatt paying for the Wind Generator. At some point the cost/benefit analysis measures either a net loss or a net gain. Why not publish the net cost, then publish the net rate of production rate, and then publish a pay off date based upon known prices? Why not spell it out with facts? The system has evolved into three major power grids which also include smaller power pools. They are the Eastern Interconnected System, consisting of the eastern two-thirds of the United States; the Western Interconnected System, consisting primarily of the Southwest and areas west of the Rocky Mountains; and the Texas Interconnected System consisting mainly of Texas. The interconnected utilities within each power grid coordinate operations and buy and sell power among themselves. I'm keen on one thing and if that one thing is not published in this report, then, I am still keen on that one thing. How much does the resitance in the wires cost? If you do not know why this question is important, then, let me explain. Each mile of wire from the central power plant going out to the end points of consumption is a consumption just like adding a string of light bulbs on a christmas tree. The light consume power and the wire connecting the lights consume power. One light bulb consumes more power than all the wire combined on the christmas tree. How many miles of wire from the power plant to the house is equal to on house worth of power? Next time the reader is driving around think. Look at the power lines going out of sight in the distance and count the houses per mile. Having a home that generates power at the point of consumption saves cost and there is no way to make words falsify that fact. If a person were to purchase an electric car, solar panels, and wind generator, then, the question becomes, again, how long before the cost of those purchases are paid off in time? Add the monthy electric bill and the monthy gasoline bill up for on year. Example: 100 dollars per month electric bill times 12 equals 1200 per year. 400 dollars per month gasoline bill times 12 equals 4800 per year 6000 per year. Now consider the life span of a Solar Panel, Wind Generator, and Electric Car. The Solar Panel Systems I've seen are guaranteed for 25 years. Why would a Wind Generator not last as long or longer and an Electric Car requires less moving parts than a gasoline car (less wear) so how about using 25 years? 6000 times 25 equals 150,000 The Electric cars (not mass produced by a Toyota company yet) are going for 30 and Solar Panel Systems are about 30 too which leaves 90 thousand to pay for the Wind Mill or pocket or buy more and better Solar Panels instead of a Wind Mill. How about a price on a Wind Mill today? http://www.solardyne.com/vesv27ratat2.html Sale Price: $168,350.00 Estimated annual production: Average wind speed of 13 mph produces 458,000 Kwh/year. Average wind speed of 15.4 mph proudces 636,000 Kwh/year. Average wind speed of 17.6 mph produces 795,000 Kwh/year. How about an average anual rate of consumption for one house? http://www.esru.strath.ac.uk/EandE/Web_sites/01-02/RE_info/hec.htm
So...how many households are supplied with one Wind Mill at 13 mph average? 458,000 divided by 4200 equals 115 Now divide the cost of the one Wind Generator by 115? 168,350.00 divided by 115 equals 1,464 dollars per family. Back at the orignial link:
Enron?
How about the Power of knowledge? If you have the Wind Generator on your retirement home out in the country, then, you get what you pay for - no? The same cannot be said for banking on a "lock in" of gas (energy) supplies. Who wrote this article?
How about a brain? If the electricity is not used, then, it is lost. So use it. Electricity can pump water when the wind is blowing and the energy is then stored in water tanks placed up hill. Electricity can be used to convert water into hydrogen gas and oxygen to be another store of electricity. Electricity can be used to fill all the batteries in all the electric cars; another way of storing the electric energy. When the wind isn't blowing fast, then, the water can flow back down hill and turn a water turbine, the hydrogen gas can power a hydrogen cell generator, and the cars can move from place to place because all those batteries are full of power. To claim that oil and Natural Gas (or coal) is the only solution, the most economical solution, and the most profitable solution sounds like a dictate coming from an Oil Baron or paid parrot of the industry. Enron became a more direct beneficiary of the administration's alternative energy program and the tax money funding it, developing wind turbines in cooperation with the Department of Energy (DOE). Then-Secretary of Energy Bill Richardson announced the administration was "excited that Enron developed this technology with technical contributions made by the department, and we look forward to continuing our collaboration with Enron for the development of their next generation wind turbine." And Enron has ties with the oil companys - or so the story goes - see - if you can count on the wind (driven by the Sun) then you don't have to even know how to read.
This is ironic? A Power Company Solution (collectivism) is being championed compared to an Individual Solution on the basis of a misaplication of power? The article does not specifically quantify the loss (heat is one loss) of power through the grid as, for example, a cost per mile (or I missed that measure) and here is another cost. Who owns the grid now? Who owns the grid 100 years from now? How much does it cost to purchase the grid from the owner - per mile? Last edited on Sun Nov 25th, 2007 02:31 pm by Joe Kelley |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27th, 2007 02:51 pm |
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http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/19529-michael-moore-cut-this-scene-from-sicko-because-no-one-would-believe-it Norway
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