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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 01:49 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/26/hot-seat-lincoln-wrong-to-fight-civil-war/98#comments
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 02:01 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.mises.org/story/2815
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29th, 2007 07:58 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/scheuer7.html I read some. No mention of Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel. In other words: The Status Quo P.S. I read the book "Imperial Hubris" and it is a very well written book; definitely worth the cost expended by me to read it. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/preston5.html I'm reading that one now after skipping through the last one. Chomsky once had a live debate with a famous capitalist whose name excapes me. I'll comment on this 'response' as I read it. style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"But where in the US Constitution or in any branch of libertarian or anarchist theory itself is there any support for the idea that such things should be provided for by the style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"US federal government? If Chomsky can be interpreted, in context, to accurately mean the above, then, why not quote where Chomsky says the above. Why use new words? If, on the other hand, Chomsky is set aside to argue some other issue, then, why involve Chomsky at all? If, and this may be the most probable reason, Chomsky is misinterpreted in context, then, a response is insufficient to clarify the misinterpretation. A debate may suffice if both people try to clarify the message intended - on purpose. What is the message intended? Clearly it is - Elect Ron Paul as President. Chomsky is in the way? My interpretation of this exchange (as far as I read so far) indicates a few serious confusions. When Chomsky uses the term 'democracy' does he mean the same thing by that term as the meaning taken by anyone else? I may be one of those who are confused. My interpretation of the word democracy, in this case, is synonymous with anarchism as 'sovereignty of the individual'. In other words the meaning intended is not, and specifically not, meant to be ‘democracy’ as abuse of power by the majority upon anyone (including the minority). I’ll read on. Is it not more fitting with both American political traditions and the broad array of anarchist and libertarian traditions for such things to be provided by states, localities, regions, and communities or by voluntary associations, mutual aid societies, labor unions, guilds, professional organizations, churches, benevolence societies, philanthropies, cooperatives, collectives, communes, kibbutzes, clubs, neighborhoods, families and other institutions organized independently of the state? Whatever kind of economic arrangements one favors, who says these have to be run or supported by the state? Would not public lands, parks, wildlife preserves and the like be better cared for in the hands of authentic conservation organizations rather than the US government? Chomsky may be supporting the STATE as the answer to his expressed concerns and (out of context) his words suggest that conclusion. I can’t speak for Chomsky. The POWER of Limited Liability Corporate PEOPLE (the actual people using and abusing that POWER) is extreme by any accurate account. This is hard to sweep under the rug. How much does the ‘war on terror’ cost some people and how much does that same ‘ad campaign’ profit other people. I think that Chomsky may be saying or meaning that one POWER is too great and therefore another POWER must become greater, IF, war is ever going to be slowed down (less profitable). See? I’ll read on. I don’t think, again, that Chomsky can be propped up as the champion of the state compared to say Ron Paul who is, in fact, a congressman who had not, in fact, supported the use of ‘the rule of law’ (the actual constitution) to slow down the torture and mass murder by impeachment. See? On the one hand is Chomsky who operates outside the ‘law’ apparatus. On the other hand is Ron Paul who operates inside the ‘law’ apparatus. One can ‘advertise’ the need to use a POWER to slow down torture and mass murder. The other can actually wield that POWER right now. All Ron Paul has to do is speak. Ron Paul can say: "I will support impeachment to slow down the torture and mass murder". Ron Paul would then have to 'put his money where his mouth is' and vote to impeach when that formality becomes appropriate. So far Ron Paul has stated that not enough evidence exists, or some other words that fail to support impeachment, for him to support impeachment. Well...Ron - The Constitution instructs congress to start impeachment to be held in the Senate to find out if the evidence does exist. How many torture victims and piles of murdered innocent people constitute sufficient evidence? If The people in congress fail to check the POWER of torturing mass murderers in the federal government, then, who can? The people. Specifically other people besides those people in congres and those criminals who are torturing and mass murdering. Other people = democracy = the people Not 'the majority'. Democracy does not mean 'unlimited power held by the majority' unless that is what the indivdual wants democracy to mean.
See how much confusion can arise when words are not defined accurately. Why is something assumed to be true when something can be confirmed as true by asking questions? Why does the discussion have to proceed as an argument where one side is defined by the other side and visa versa? Individuals define themselves. Ask Anyway the ‘left’ can be some form or twisted form of ‘rule by the majority’ and the ‘right’ can be some form or twisted form of ‘rule by limited liability corporations’. In either case the false part is blaming the ‘thing’ and not actual people. People rule other people by voluntary association, by fraud, and by force. Which one is better according to any individual at any time? If Chomsky is a ‘leftist’ as defined by someone on the ‘right’, then, what are the chances that the Chomsky is going to be accurately defined? What are the chances that the ‘right’ is going to be ‘looking good’ compared to the definition of Chomsky? Again: Ron Paul wields a measure of Federal POWER. Chomsky wields a measure of POWER too. Which POWER is more POWERFUL? Do both POWERS intend to slow down torture and mass murder? If so, then, why not support the impeachment of Dick (and I do mean DICK) Cheney? If anyone were being tortured, then, the obvious support against it would be painfully obvious and there wouldn’t be any confusion about it. Torturers worth their pay make sure. (Interviewer) Dr. Paul, what about Social Security? The reader may find reading the context of the quote above to be valuable. I do. Chomsky may be confused about Ron Paul and S S (social security). I am not. I've been suffering from over-work and false promises by corporate agents to a point where my health has cost me much in medical bills. I've been trying to either get insurance to fix my damaged body or get S S to pay me my benefits promised. Guess what? Neither will pay me what was promised when I paid insurance payments for over 25 years of hard labor. I much prefer the free market solution where costs and quality are fine tuned by ‘equitable’ competition (not cut throat ‘legal’ POWER competition). That is a hand full of words. Suffice to say that my present situation leaves me at the mercy of fate. I’m POWER less. I don’t have the answers to my personal fate. I depend upon some form of charity. So far my wife has taken over the work of gaining purchasing power. I may take another job soon that requires less cost on my health. I may have to do so. S S may yet pay what was promised – by contract. Blue Cross may yet pay for my repair. Meanwhile; people are being tortured and the pile of murdered bodies is growing. What is the beef? Stop, please, bickering and begin to check the POWER of those legal criminals who are torturing and mass murdering. See this? What if one of the people on the rack right now just happens to be the next Einstein only less careless with his knowledge? I’m skipping the rest of this one too. If the reader knows nothing about Chomsky, then, don't be discouraged by this attempt to discredit him and his messages. He may not be perfect - like everyone else. I've found much of his work to be worth the effort. Last edited on Sat Dec 29th, 2007 08:54 am by Joe Kelley |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 11:01 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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I mean, Kucinich, who has good positions on many of these issues, he’s decided to throw in his lot with Obama. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18991.htm Business as usual? That leaves Ron Paul standing on principle and not 'special interest'. I suppose that (if it is true) explains the reluctance to back the impeachment process (or false flag non-process if that is what it actually is).
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12th, 2008 02:11 pm |
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145th Post |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19053.htm
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12th, 2008 02:27 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://people.ronpaul2008.com/campaign-updates/2008/01/11/the-gloves-come-off-dr-pauls-best-debate-yet/#respond
Well...my comment is to point out the need to combine forces with Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel to construct and maintain REAL debates on the issues from the actual representatives (rather than the legal criminals and the legal criminal wannabe evil people). Whenever I hear either 'side' claim to be the 'only' candidate to 'uphold the constitution' or 'eliminate the drug war' or whatever I see 'business as usual' and to that I comment, again, why not show people how to debate right and fair rather than wrong and unfair? Why play by the wrong set of rules voluntarily? Let's see a real debate between real candidates. What on Earth are you afraid of?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20th, 2008 07:44 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDZLK8xXBRw
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| Posted: Wed Feb 6th, 2008 11:24 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/05/military-donations/
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| Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 05:23 pm |
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149th Post |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/the-mouse-that-roared-why-ron-paul-won-the-election/
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| Posted: Fri Feb 8th, 2008 01:56 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oaD9oM4xQo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13th, 2008 04:24 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryMliyeIDp4
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13th, 2008 04:44 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.ronpaulmarch.com/index.html http://www.libertyagain.org/action/ On February 12 Ron Paul released a video update. In his video he calls for his supporters to create a 'grand march' in Washington, D.C. Though no date was specified, he did mention it needs to be done in the next three or four months, before the convention. This march will be a grand message that the MSM and government will not be able to ignore.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 1st, 2008 06:36 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul437.html
What would happen if "The Media" where in love with Ron Paul enough to broadcast speeches like that during prime time commercial time? More profit for everyone and less profit for someone?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 1st, 2008 06:36 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul437.html
What would happen if "The Media" where in love with Ron Paul enough to broadcast speeches like that during prime time commercial time? More profit for everyone and less profit for someone?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 1st, 2008 06:36 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul437.html What would happen if "The Media" where in love with Ron Paul enough to broadcast speeches like that during prime time commercial time? More profit for everyone and less profit for someone?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15th, 2008 02:45 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul455.html
People, The legal criminals destroying civilization won a huge victory in discrediting the power of truth spoken by Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, and their supporters. You really don't need to be so soft on crime and so easily manipulated into following a path of falsehood, destruction, and ignorance. Please reconsider a more careful approach toward fact finding and productive employment. You know the old saying: "Garbage in - garbage out."
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 10:07 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20080427/NEWS/252102622
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29th, 2008 04:32 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWMDF92ZE7c
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| Posted: Sat May 24th, 2008 02:07 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4df1soW7Dho&eurl=http://www.wtprn.com/
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 02:52 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/misc2008/ronpaul7-17-01.htm Rep. Ron Paul's Statement as Read at Schulz's 7-17-2001 D.C. Press Conference Ron Paul’s STATEMENT FOR WE THE PEOPLE PRESS CONFERENCE, 07/17/01
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