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| Posted: Thu May 3rd, 2007 11:12 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17635.htm This can be a very good start on exposing the true causes of human destruction. The fear goes like this: The SYSTEM is bankrupt and a depression will happen - poor people, poor, poor, people - they will suffer. That is just plain stupid. The SYSTEM is being brought to a new cycle on purpose. That is the purpose of the SYSTEM. The SYSTEM is just like the proverbial box that people need to 'step out' their minds from. From outside looking in there can be any number of more accurate currencies by which people can continue to trade - equitably. Look Ma; no depression. The trust people give to the SYSTEM is - discrediting? Who; whom? Think in terms of a credit card. The SYSTEM includes one big credit card given to the Federal Reserve. What happens when that credit card no longer works? Everyone in the world takes the credit card and cuts it in half with a pair of scissors AND calls the authorities to expose the person trying to use the bad Credit Card. The Federal Reserve can no longer borrow money. The Federal Reserve (and all the Banks involved in that SYSTEM) are bankrupt. Anyone and everyone (including all the American taxpayers) can buy (insist on being paid with) a currency that is not a part of the Federal Reserve System. Can you see this? The people who have bankrupt their own SYSTEM somehow manage to push their costs onto the American Taxpayers as if the people who have bakdrupt their own SYSTEM can simply create a new Credit Card AFTER, and be sure that you undersand this part, AFTER the American Taxpayers have been severely punished. Guess who recieves all the propery titles during a depression as more and more American Taxpayers default on thier mortgages? Step out of the Box - it is a coffin.
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| Posted: Thu May 3rd, 2007 12:41 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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But one thing is connected to another. A good investigator always asks, “Who benefits?” The most salient feature of our financial system is that the creation of new purchasing power through credit—loans, mortgages, credit cards, etc.—is controlled by private financial institutions and, though regulated, works principally for their profit. Because we are never taught about alternative economic structures, we take this system for granted, though earlier generations had profound fears of becoming what President Martin Van Buren prophetically called a “bank-ridden society.” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17635.htm
We pay as much in taxes as for housing, food, and transportation combined. Governments also take advantage of housing inflation by taxing newly assessed values to the point where people whose incomes don’t keep up, and who may even own their homes outright, are forced to sell and move away. Douglas made it clear that in a system where the banks have a monopoly on the issuance of credit, as ours does, they are the most powerful entity in the economy and therefore will be the most powerful politically as well. They will enhance their power, and their profits, by keeping financial credit scarce, so the amount they issue will never approach the amount of “real credit” that ultimately should derive from the bounty of the producing economy. I am quoting this as I read it. One might say that I am at the edge of my seat looking forward in anticipation for the FIX. There are obvious errors in the text so far and yet I read much to consider as factual. The most obvious problem I see (in almost everything I read) concerns how currency is not money no more than Electric power is not voltage. Currency is dynamic. Power is vector specific; meaning the power does something measurable. Money, or voltage, waits. Money does nothing without currency and Power, or force, makes things happen. This is a vital understanding because the effect of TOO MUCH POWER (constructive power) is ZERO COST. The supply/demand equation is up side down. If the writer of the report linked does not understand the supply/demand relationship between the power of currency and the cost of everything, then, the FIX will probably be as up side down as any other falsehood. The war economy also props up the employment numbers. It was World War II that finally pulled the U.S. out of the Depression, and it is the huge quantity of deficit spending on the military-industrial complex which continues to anchor the U.S. economy today. This has happened in accordance with the Douglas model of a debt-based economy where people do not earn enough to buy what industry must produce to create jobs. There is an example of falsehood. WWII did not pulle the U.S. out of the Depression. The increase in currency 'pulled' the U.S. out of the Depression. Think on this angle: Imagine the discovery of Solar Panels before the huge increase in currency that started the Roaring Twenties. Understand first, perhaps, that the Great Depression was engineered on purpose by flooding society with too much currency before taking away that currency which did, in fact, cause the Great Depression. People became accustomed to an oversupply of currency and then, all of a sudden, people had to learn how to survive with almost no currency. That is what actually happened. Too much and then not enough currency is the cause of booms and busts. So…imagine a relatively stable economy where the amount of currency is just right (before the Roaring Twenties) and at this time in our imagined replay of history the Solar Panel is created. Now imagine a President elected with the following slogan: I will prosecute a WAR ON TERROISM against the oil industry and the developing Military Industrial Complex by taking back the Nations control of currency and I will offer tax deferment for anyone who purchases Solar Panels, where, all the people who don’t purchase solar panels (and electric cars) will be the people who have to pay our taxes that we need to conduct this WAR ON TERROISM against the oil industry. This president (somehow) is elected and the Roaring Twenties proceed on a new direction. The president issues currency based upon a cost basis (taxes pay the cost), meaning, that anyone can borrow money without interest so long as they pay that PRINCPLE back. ANYONE CAN BORROW AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY NEED SO LONG AS THEY PAY THE PRINCIPLE BACK. THERE IS NO INTEREST. The cost of running the SYSTEM is paid for with taxes. The people paying taxes are those people who don’t buy and use Solar Panels. The people not paying taxes are those people who buy and use Solar Panels. Now; you may have to use your brain. What happens in this WAR ON TERROR?
Instead of BOMBS people make Solar Panels. The economy BOOMS. The increase in electric POWER INCREASES PURCHASING POWER AND REDUCES THE COSTS OF PRODUCING EVERYTHING. Therefore the costs of everything goes down including the cost of currency, which, if you can remember is nothing. Nothing you say? Yes; nothing. The president makes (I’m an anarchist so don’t blame me for what the president makes people do against their will) people pay taxes which are used to pay the costs of issuing currency to ANYONE SO LONG AS THEY PAY THE PRINCIPLE BACK. NO INTEREST CHARGE. NONE If you buy Solar Panels, then, you don’t pay taxes. If you don’t buy Solar Panels, then, you pay taxes. Think now? The people paying taxes don’t make electric power. They have to PAY with some other form of POWER. The people buying Solar Panels make POWER which reduces COSTS. The electric car industry is just a natural progression of having too many Solar Panels (and costless electricity). What is the price at the pump for filling up your car with electric fuel when there is too much electricity (and therefore cost – less electricity)? Answer: The COST is electing a president into a position of POWER that can force people to pay taxes against their own voluntary volition. Did you think? Nazi Germany would never have erupted had America sent over cheap Solar Panels and cheap electric cars to help the German people out of their depression that was forced upon them by Central Bankers and the Germans would have purchased those cheap Solar Panels once they began to see the POWER in them - independent power.
If the reader is questioning the validity of the text linked (and my own text) then such a skepticism should be equitably applied to anything including the falsehood excreted by the Bankers and their apologists, otherwise, the reader is prejudiced - plain and simple. The bottom line is the net flow of wealth once that wealth is created. Where does it go? With banking interest the wealth goes from those who borrow to those who create currency. With this National Dividend SYSTEM the wealth flows to everyone somehow. I personally don’t see how that can work well. I can see how that can’t work worse than Central Bank Interest. It can’t work worse then the current system whereby our species is threatened into extinction at the current rapid rate. In my opinion the creation of wealth remains with the individuals who create wealth and how that fact is accomplished is secondary. If the SYSTEM allows the flow of wealth to those who BORROW wealth, then, the wealth must flow back to those who LOAN the wealth. Giving away wealth (giving away money) is not a good idea. Accounting for the accurate exchange of wealth (currency) is a simple matter of keeping track of numbers. The National Dividend SYSTEM, as far as I see it now, confuses currency with money. That may be a very huge mistake. I will read on. Last edited on Thu May 3rd, 2007 02:14 pm by Joe Kelley |
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| Posted: Thu May 3rd, 2007 02:42 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Another prejudice to overcome is the idea that if we just “give people money” they will waste or abuse it or become alcoholics or drug addicts. But people tend to respond positively to social benefits and make the most of opportunities when presented. Slackers always must face their own consciences and generally find it easier to live up to community expectations than live as self-indulgent outcasts. I'm continuing from the last post. The above clearly confuses wealth, money, and currency. Everyone confuses these realities, ideas, and perceptions. The bottom line is: You cannot give away something that does not exist. This SCHEME (National Dividend SYSTEM) cannot work well if the end result is to punish productivity. Someone loses and someone gains. Why? If you inspect my earlier example of how a TYRANT could TAX people who don’t purchase Solar Panels and not TAX people who do purchase Solar Panels, then, you can accuse my example of doing the same thing. The difference is: a Solar Panel adds to the wealth in the form of electricity therefore the Solar Panel is paying the TAX. The human being is not paying the TAX. The Solar Panel is doing the work. The Sun supplies the POWER. The human being merely has to buy the Solar Panel. Are you confused? How about this: If someone does borrow from the new WAR ON TERRORISM AGAINST THE OIL COMPANIES scheme (the example Tyrant running for office) with the requirement to pay back all the money borrowed (without any interest) and that person buys Solar Panels with that money, then, that person merely stores his Solar Panels instead of spending the money (wealth) to install the Solar Panels. Do you see this? Person A in the new SCHEME (War on oil company terrorism) can borrow any money he wants from the new Government currency accounting OFFICE (the government can hire Pay-Pal to do the accounting and place oversight with congress – eliminate the department of treasury). Person A wants to eliminate his tax burden so he buys Solar Panels. Person A does not hook up the Solar Panels because he is lazy, stupid, or what? Person A has the power to eliminate his electric bill and he elects to store the Solar Panels instead. He can even sell the Solar Panels to someone who will hook the Solar Panels up to the grid and start adding to the Nations wealth. Person A stores the Solar Panels and then, think now, how does this Person A manage to pay back his loan from the U.S. Congress? Person A has an electric bill to pay. Person A doesn’t have an electric car. Person A buys an electric car to further reduce his tax bill (or eliminate it). Person A stores his electric car instead of using his electric car. Person A keeps paying his electric bill and person A continues to use his gasoline powered car and person A continues to pay 100 units of currency each week to buy gasoline to run his car. How does Person A manage to pay his loan back? The Solar Panels sit. The electric car sits. The Solar Panels are not currently making electric current. The electric car is not currently using the FREE POWER supplied by the SUN. Person A must find another way to CREATE WEALTH to pay back his loan. NO PROBLEM! Perhaps person A is a rock star. Perhaps person A is a member of congress. Perhaps person A can afford to NOT INVEST IN SOLAR ENERGY. What about the rest of mankind? Are we as fortunate?
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| Posted: Thu May 3rd, 2007 03:59 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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But science and industry have made it possible to satisfy human needs without full employment, leaving the gap between purchasing power and production which this report has explained. But instead of supplying its citizens with the needed National Dividend, governments have tried to fill the gap through a welfare state based on income redistribution, through socialist state controls, through bank-furnished credit, or a combination. Wealth distribution can be summed up with one word: TAX. When the TAX is involuntary (by fraud or force), then, bad things happen. This is an inevitable fact. It is simple economic reality. The act of fraud and force is rewarded. Anything rewarded will prosper. This is fact - like watering one plant and the flip side is the plant that has no water (or not enough). If the Scheme intends to utilize the existing involuntary tax mechanism to destroy the complicated wealth distribution scheme and replace that scheme with a less complicated one, then, we all will benefit (the lesser of two evils) - even the rich will benefit. A less complicated wealth distribution scheme will be easier to understand and it will be less costly compared to the current and extremely costly, complicated, wealth distribution scheme. When the scheme becomes obviously beneficial to everyone, then, the involuntary nature will naturally disappear (without the need for fraud). When the involuntary nature of TAX is no longer actually involuntary, then, government will become nothing more than an insurance policy. The TAX will be a necessary cost of gaining the benefits of economic scale (economies of scale) whereby the sum of all economic power is divided by the number of individuals. In other words: The COST of wealth is divided by the number of people participating in the voluntary association. Example: Person A pays the TAX (the insurance premium) against economic loss (of all forms calculable including invasion by foreign army, meteor strike from space, global warming, and car accident) and the premium COST (price) charged to that single taxpayer is the total cost of the insurance POT OF GOLD divided by the number of people insured with the policy (with an additional risk factor in case the individual voluntarily enjoys risky behavior such as heroin use or even unprotected prostitution, etc.), where, the TAX POT OF GOLD is an estimate on the required WEALTH needed to pay the calculated COSTS of knowable calamity. Can you see this? Example: If the SYSTEM insures against anything worthwhile, then, people will voluntarily pay the costs. If not, then, NOT. How about insurance against invasion by foreign army? Take a ballpark guess at the current military budget and divide that by the number of people paying the TAX and what do you get? Suppose the military budget is 1 trillion dollars per year (including the current secret expenditures) and consider the TAX base (those who are now, currently, producing actual wealth and paying into the current SYSTEM = not including people who merely get tax subsidies and pay tax = a net loss because those people must eat too) to be 100 million people. That is: 1 trillion dollars a year divided by the number of people creating that wealth: $1,000,000,000.00 divided by 100,000,000 What do you get? 10 Do you see this? The insurance premium for our current military is 10 dollars per year. How about doing the math backwards? 100,000,000 million people pay an insurance premium to keep the bad guys out of our country and each person pays 10 dollars per year. How much wealth does that represent (not actual wealth) per year? Not 1 Not 10 Not 100 Not 1000 Not 10 thousand Not 10 million 100 million times 10 What does that equal per year? Answer: One billion See how I am? I’m not very good at math. I wonder why? Who determines how much TAX that we volunteer to pay? What do we get for it? Do you want to go back to school before you send another dollar to the ‘authorities’? $1,000,000,000,000.00 That is one trillion. Again: 1 trillion divided by 100 million: $10,000.00 There is a reason why this is called HIGH FINANCE. Reverse – again: 100 million citizens pay a premium for anti invasion insurance and the required POT OF GOLD needed is estimated at 1 trillion dollars, so, each wealth creator must come up with 10 thousand dollars a year (above the cost of living). $10,000.00 x 100,000,000 = ? I have to count the zeros on the MS calculator so hold on… 1,000,000,000,000 That looks right now. Where was I? Let me tell you something with someone else’s words. http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm
The idea is to remove the monopoly power of legal currency from the criminals who now hold that power. That monopoly power of legal currency is arguably the worst evil. Money is not the root of all evil - a criminal may want you to believe such nonsense.
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| Posted: Thu May 3rd, 2007 05:17 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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1) Issue a $10,000 average dividend, created simply as an accounting book entry, to every U.S. legal resident or citizen (to be determined), tax-free and without reducing any other benefits currently being paid. A sensible ratio between adults and children would be calculated. A temporary system of price controls would be instituted to prevent profiteering. Words, words, words - it's the deeds that count (account). What happens when someone does not abide by a 'price control'? The 'report' offers a very good prognosis of actual reality where statements concerning how power has worked and will work in human existence are easily proven with supporting evidence. The FIX however is naked abuse. The FIX isn't even 'arguably' the lesser of two evils. I'd say the FIX is another step in the wrong direction. 1. Offer human beings a competitive currency that accurately accounts for wealth transfers at the lowest possible cost. That is number one. Any lack of any specific attribute of the above (number one) FIX will lessen the ability of that FIX to work. If the 'report' offers that number one FIX, then, the additional garbage is PORK attached to the substantive FIX. Why add onto the FIX? Example of how the number one fix FIXES: Any citizen borrows the new LEGAL currency and pays off his mortgage. The new legal currency is accurate (it is no more and no less than a known amount of currency based upon some known quantity such as GDP, a pile of gold, public land, anything so long as the amount can easily be known by all at all times) and the new legal currency costs pennies on the dollar (the cost is almost nothing since the cost is divided by the entire population that uses the currency i.e. the cost of producing, distributing, and tabulating the currency is known and the number of citizens are known and the percentage of cost is set on that ratio which will be lower and lower as the cost of administration lowers and lower and lower as more people utilize the new currency). Citizen A borrows the cost of his entire mortgage and pays off his entire mortgage. The interest on the old mortgage was 6%, where, the cost of the REAL ESTATE was more than twice the price. In other words; by the time the mortgage was paid off in 30 years the ‘owner’ will pay more than twice the value of the house to get the title of the house and the INTEREST payment will be MORE THAN THE PRINCIPLE. Citizen A pays off his house and pays back his loan at 1% back to the U.S. Treasury. The savings in monthly payments can be spent anyway the individual wishes. The wealth no longer goes from the earner to the mortgage company. The mortgage company is PAID in FULL with the NEW MONEY if the mortgage company WANTS the new LEGAL money or the mortgage company converts the new LEGAL money to the OLD LEGAL money. This begins an internal U.S. competition for currency dominance. The NEW U.S. Currency is a fixed, transparent, known quantity tied to something real (REAL ESTATE or REAL GOLD or any combination of REAL STUFF – even accumulated TAXES). ANY citizen can borrow any amount based upon any reasonable measure of ability to pay back the loan. Example A: Any citizen can borrow according to current measures such as those used by the current banking industry. Example B: Any citizen can borrow a minimum of the current value of their principle residence including people now renting property i.e. a renter can afford a loan to purchase a house of equal value to the one they are currently renting. Example C: Any citizen currently residing as a dependent (a college aged child for example) can borrow a minimum of currency equal to the cost of the average college education or a minimum of the average home in the U.S. ANYONE defaulting on a loan must pay back the defaulted loan (this is actually equal to a higher interest rate charged to someone who proves to be incapable of paying back borrowed wealth) before or DURING the exchange of further BORROWED wealth. In other words a credit history will determine the cost of borrowing from the U.S. Treasury. Imagine the COST charged to the CURRENT banking industry if this type of SYSTEM had been in place 100 years ago? Can you see this? The Federal Reserve Bank, for example, would be incapable of borrowing money based upon its past history. The Federal Reserve Bank officers (those responsible for their poor decision making) would have to depend upon charity or their own ability to create wealth OR they can borrow from other Central Bankers competing against the new U.S. Treasury currency. At first the old money (held by the old money changers) would be on equal footing with the new money. Soon the old money would lose value relative to the new money BECAUSE the new money is a fixed and known quantity based upon something real, known, and understandable i.e. the new currency (see how easy it is to confuse currency with money?) The NEW CURRENCY will BE ACCURATE for the purpose intended. The old money is inaccurate BECAUSE the intended purpose was, and is, to move wealth from those who earn it to those who CONTROL LEGAL CURRENCY. The CENTRAL BANKERS will have to compete with the NEW CURRENCY and their ability to compete will no longer involve an enforcement of THEIR CURRENCY where LEGAL penalties enforced the USE OF THEIR CURRENCY. In essence the NEW currency will be THE PEOPLE’S CURRENCY and it will require NO ENFORCEMENT beyond USE. Who will not utilize the NEW currency if they can reduce their costs of borrowing down from a HUGE COST to a minimal cost? Who would not take advantage of the NEW currency to decrease their monthly mortgage payments? Anyone with a good credit rating will have almost NO COST (very little or no interest payments) for the UTILITY of currency. If you can understand only one thing, then, know that “interest” is a man made creation or COST imagined into being and that COST moves wealth from those who earn it to those who LEGALIZE CURRENCY. Know this fact. If the COST is made up at a whim, then, the people having the POWER to make up that COST have the POWER to enslave mankind or free US. Who has the POWER? If you can understand one more thing, then, know that PEOPLE GOVERN and ONLY PEOPLE GOVERN. Do you govern? If not, then, someone else will. Last edited on Thu May 3rd, 2007 05:19 pm by Joe Kelley |
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