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| Posted: Sun Jan 4th, 2009 11:38 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://libertarianleft.org/ http://www.myspace.com/anarchy_industries_ai
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| Posted: Sun Apr 18th, 2010 01:13 pm |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 19th, 2010 10:51 am |
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http://www.istrategy2010.com/blog/27-innovative-methods-of-connecting-with-your-market/
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 02:11 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/oregon-senator-vows-block-internet-censorship-bill/ Oregon Senator Wyden effectively kills Internet censorship bill
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20th, 2010 11:49 am |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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http://therealnews.com/t2/interact/forum/9-economy/8146-joes-law#8147 Joe's Law moves to The Real News Forum.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27th, 2010 01:14 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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Stimulus And Tax Cuts Not a Long-Term Solution Whenever I begin to view and digest economic reports, such as this one, I measure the data offered from a standard understood. My standard, that I understand, is best communicated as a term and a few works published whereby the term is unambiguously defined. The term is: Equitable Commerce The understanding is such that credit flows to those who earn it, and other things. From that understanding, the opposite is clear, whereby credit can flow to those who steal it - through deception, and violence. From that understanding it can be known that people cooperating, and people avoiding crime (as victims or as criminals), are capable of creating something called: surplus wealth. Surplus wealth is any measure of productive activity that exceeds consumption; whereby more things are stored somewhere, because more things now exist, because the ability to produce more than anyone can consume is now real. We really can, now, produce more things than anyone can ever consume. That is understandable, and that is in stark contrast to those who will have you believe that mass starvation is due to overpopulation and a lack of resources. Remove the cost of crime, by deception, and by violence, and what do you see? Do you see "overpopulation", starvation, mass suicide, chaos, and anarchy? Think about it, please. Those people who have power over your thoughts, through mass marketing, propaganda, and other means, may have you thinking that war is the thing that keeps the human species from becoming self-destructive by "overpopulation". If you think that, if you think that "war is good for the economy", and you think that human beings will breed like rats without war, without crime, and if you think that human beings are designed to kill each other off so as to keep our numbers down, then you may want to rethink such things, and find out where you got such thoughts in the first place. Human beings can now produce much more than any human being alive can ever consume, and once a human being lives in this condition of surplus the desire, the need, to reproduce becomes less powerful - perhaps. Everyone is not the same as everyone else. The trend in affluent social connections is measurable and contrasting to the trend in social connections where the people connected do without the least bit of wealth. Surplus wealth is the point here, the thing that must be understood before any economic understanding will be realized. Surplus wealth is created through voluntary cooperation; because three things (at least) occur during voluntary cooperation. 3 things are possible when people avoid the costs of being victims and/or being criminals. 1. Division of labor 2. Specialization 3. Economies of scale One person working alone is an economic power that is severely limited. Try building a car while you, alone, feed, cloth, and shelter yourself. The addition of one criminal connected to the one economic power, the single productive person, and then try to build a car, while you are defending against actions perpetrated against you by the criminal. Now add a volunteer to your efforts to survive and know that the power to produce is increased by that social connection to that other person. You can spend time defending against the criminal, while your buddy makes dinner. That is both division of labor and specialization. You specialize in defense against the criminal. Your buddy specializes in making dinner, and the necessary labor is divided among two of you. If you decide that your labor is worth twice the value of the labor done by your buddy, then your buddy can find another buddy, since you become no different than the criminal to him - perhaps. Now that we may have a more basic understanding of economy and an understanding of the concept of surplus wealth - we can move onto a concept called investment. Suppose you and your buddies, all the people connected to a voluntary productive economic society, have managed to produce a large store of excess wealth. You guys now have "money in the bank". You successfully avoid injuring each other, and thereby free each other up and allow for more economic power to be focused on producing more and more wealth, more and more efficiently, and now you are in a position to focus that productive activity toward something that will store value better. Do you now produce something that will store value for a short time or a long time? Short terms stuff can be exemplified by such things as entertainment. You decide to play a game of cards. You worked enough so as to earn time off and you use that time off to entertain yourself, and you can even play a game of solitary, while everyone else works or invests their share of excess wealth playing another game, or they may invest in something less short term, something long term. Long term stuff can be exemplified by such things as building a better mouse trap. Excess wealth can be spent hiring someone to specialize in the work of building a better mouse trap, rather than playing cards, or in addition to playing cards, assuming that production of surplus wealth is of sufficient quantity to afford doing both: hiring a new specialist, and playing cards. And then there is the concept of creating a thing called debt. I have to go to work now, so I'll have to return to this if I am inspired to do so later.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28th, 2010 12:14 pm |
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I worked. I'm back. I have time to communicate my viewpoint concerning the Real News report linked. Here <---it is again. I started watching that report again, to get back into the topic offered in the report. I left off with my response on the topic of debt. Debt is a way that people can gain the power to purchase before people create surplus wealth. This debt stuff can be seen in this way, and the reader can try this way of viewpoint debt, to see if it works for them, to see if it makes the pieces fit better when looking at the overall picture. Debt can be a method by which people can produce the power to purchase before people produce surplus wealth - and there is a very good example for this in historical reality. When people are threatened with an imminent calamity and these people have not yet produced more than they consume, or these people have already suffered through a calamity that wiped out all their stores of surplus wealth, then, at that time, those people can create a power to purchase, a credit for things to be produced, things not yet produced, sort of like, or actually being, tickets to give permission to each other to do specific work. Here is an example: Permission slips Here is another example: Specific work to be done - if you please Example A reports the method by which people fleeing English oppression, landing on a nation of loosely federated native tribes, and needing permission from each other to work together - equitably. They created something called Stamp Script. Example B reports the method by which people suffering through the great depression managed to give each other permission to work together, equitably, and pull themselves into a condition of prosperity, before the Nazi "government" squashed that effort. The idea here, if you like this idea, is to see how debt can be a method by which people gain the power to purchase so as to begin working toward a specific goal, to gain the power to invest, and to do without having to create surplus wealth beforehand. The idea, with debt, is to gain the power to create surplus wealth before surplus wealth is created. The permission to work can't be misspent or malinvested, and that is why the permission to work must be specific - not ambiguous. A person creates permission slips and on the permission slip is a request for something to be produced by someone. The idea works when the thing asked for is produced, the ticket is then used up in the purchase of the thing produced - roughly outlining the concept. To say that this way of producing debt, by this method won't work, if that is what someone says, is to say that when this type of thing did work things were "different" and this idea won't apply to our current condition - which is demonstrably false. People have an interest in keeping things as they are, this is easy to understand. Better ways do work. Debt does not have to be an enforced requirement whereby many people are forced to work so as to make few people wealthy. Example: Absurd example A Debt can be a voluntary social agreement, without secrecy, without deceit, and without violence. People who obviously can't, or won't, honor a debt are people who find fewer, and fewer, and fewer voluntary associates willing to agree to offering debt, or credit, or permission to work; permission to build something specific. People who obviously can't, or won't, honor a debt can include people who depend upon actual charity (not enforced "charity") and criminals. When needed people received charity the needed people don't use that increase in wealth to take more wealth, by deceit, or by violence, from the givers of charity - that is what criminals do. A homeless shelter can be seen, for example, as a wealthy thing to build, something that helps people produce more wealth, in the future, offering a place for needy people to go, when they are clogging up efficient commerce, having no where else to go, to seek charity - or turn to crime. Who gives anyone permission to build a homeless shelter when no one has any surplus wealth other than the people who have no inclination whatsoever to build a homeless shelter? Who gives homeless people permission to build and run their own shelter? Why can't they give each other that permission? Look at the report offered by Real News, and connect the dots, please. Who had permission to build Hover Dam? Could the same amount of power invested in Hover Dam be spent on many homeless shelters? Who benefits, what are the real numbers? Who has to pay the cost for building Hover Dam, who has to pay the cost of electricity produced by Hover Dam? Does the amount of electricity produced by Hover Dam amount to more wealth than the wealth used to built it? If so, then it was a wealth producing investment, and who benefits from the surplus wealth? In context of the report by Real News, at this point, there is a missing piece of the puzzle as such: 1. Equitable, productive, cooperation, and the power to produce surplus wealth 2. Debt, investment, and the power to begin producing surplus wealth without having to have surplus wealth already stored. 3. The missing piece: control over what is produced. What form does surplus wealth take, and what form does debt take, and who controls these cooperative human activities? The missing piece is politics, and if politics has become a synonym for deceit, then law has become crime, and no wonder, knowing this much, that law has become crime, no wonder that the things being built are things that eliminate competition. Competition is another piece of the puzzle, a vital piece, but a piece that is not demanded by criminals. Criminals must destroy competition. Competition forces (without violence and without deceit) the production of things toward higher quality and competition forces the production of things toward lower prices. That brings me to a point of discussion that may be worked on in my next effort; whereby the price of labor is looked at more closely - less ambiguously. Who controls the power to set labor prices?
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