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Thanks, few and far between are those who speak up. I may be one case where there is overcompensation, however, in my case, the viewpoint is one born out of a sense of duty. Here is an example of that type of viewpoint (a sense of duty - even if the sense of duty is misplaced): http://www.anarchiwum.bzzz.net/yak/equitable%20commerce.pdf Quote__________________ Society is everywhere waking to the realities of its condition, and plunging into enterprises which are sure to end in defeat and disappointment, and to result only in the comparative martyrdom of the very best of men and women, who are nobly devoting themselves to the holy cause of suffering humanity. With these views, it would be inexcusable—criminal, in my own estimation, to shrink from the necessary responsibility, and remain silent, while I am convinced that our whole objects can be easily attained by a process unknown to them, which may possibly be communicated. Not that I can hope to reach the understandings of many by any effusion of words; but, that there are a few isolated individuals scattered through the dreary waste of mind, who perhaps can be assembled together by verbal inter-communication, and who may set a PRACTICAL EXAMPLE , that will speak a language which all can comprehend. _____________________________ So, whatever force is driving some, and whatever force is driving others, there is a narrowing down of competitive thoughts and actions that move people either toward Liberty (effective defense of the innocent from the criminals) or away from it. If the only ones speaking up, being heard, are those who lie the best, and are paid the most for the best lies, then society will be driven into action whereby the foundation is falsehood. Action based upon deceit is predictable. Those who are the deceivers gain the most, in the shortest time, from those who are deceived. That can be illustrated in an official manner: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Nearing 3 decades now of specific interest in knowing better from worse as far as our fate as people, there is a measurable increase in the number and frequency of people who are willing, ready, and able to fill the void, the vacuum, of accurate accounting, as that space is currently filled with high pressure falsehood. Individual thoughts add up to many individual thoughts which drive a sum total of action by individuals which is then viewed by those individuals as Society. The high pressure falsehood, injected deceptively, threateningly, and violently into individual newborn people, for generations here in American, at least since 1787, drives such things as The Final Solution to the Indian Problem, and other pogroms. Despite that high pressure falsehood driving Society into massive examples of wanton evil for profit, profit of a few, an the expense of the many, despite all that high pressure falsehood there remains to be a measurable increase in whatever force drives individual people into actions aiming to defend the innocent from the guilty. Accurate accounting, from my view, appears to be a vacuum superimposed upon the high pressure falsehood, and that is not that hard to realize. Since falsehood is merely fiction, therefore the high pressure falsehood is as immaterial, fake, counterfeit, false, unreal, imaginary, like the Emperors new clothes. So, an individual, who defeats the high pressure falsehood, on their own, or with help from external forces, is then viewing a vast collapsing space as the house of cards falls, whereby the high pressure falsehood leaves the area, and thereby creates a demand to fill the empty space between the ears of the viewer. It can be understood, at that time, that those who inject by deceit, by force of threat, are those who constitute the house of cards, and their power vanishes, and instead of their power commanding increased pressure, increased fear, their power vanishes even while their lies, their threats, intend to refill the area formerly occupied by lies. What is ultimately chosen as fact, as an accurate account, as truth, as knowledge, as wisdom, filling the vacuum, can fill books, and books, and books, of information. Accurate history, accurate representation of defensive power, accurate economy, accurate science, accurate spiritual knowledge, all from every source possible, rush in, as the phrase quoted next may illustrate:

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While writing the above I found this and was lost for a time in the words:

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/learning/essay/237826?page=8

Alexander Pope

Leads to this:

http://rhetoric.eserver.org/quintilian/

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The idea hit me to consider labeling as done for the purpose of deceit.

The labels confess a desire to create division among people.

Example: Employer and Employee

Why are people not merely helpers?

I can help you find work.

I can help you get work done.


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An idea concerning absolutes/eternity/infinity involves non-time non-space where everything just is and always will be in non-time non-space until time starts in space again.

So that non-time in non-space cannot be seen/known/experiences from a time and space viewpoint.

From a time based place in space the idea of absolute/eternity/infinity appears to start from a place in space and then end from a place in space.

From a non-space non-time viewpoint the same boundary between the two dimensions appears another way, perhaps.

How about having all the time in the universe to invent the first thing in the place (space) where that first thing begins to be a thing?

From seemingly nothing arrives the first thing, such as the first building block, or first beginning part of the first proton part, in a hydrogen atom.

Then invent all the things required to produce a human egg; where all the information (memory/instructions) required to build a human is contained in that coded cell coded in that way.

The word invent presumes that there is a power that is capable of invention. Use another word, any word, so long as it is understandable that the invention does end up growing from one cell, into two cells, then four cells, on and on, and once the human starts writing it is too late to cancel the order.



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