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 Posted: Wed Feb 17th, 2016 12:21 pm
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Joe Kelley

 

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New day, lost my place, but I know that the information was leading to a crucial point. I have to go to work today, so I'll have less time to move another step in this study.

Place holder:

That by requesting Congress that a military arrest should be the only restraint on the person of colonel Flower, they were guilty of a disobedience to the authority of Congress.

Again, to get back to the point, or a vital point, the Congress ordered the end of the slave trade early in the process. A huge victory for Liberty would have been to identify the criminals in the North and South, and account for them, as they were criminals perpetrating "crimes against nature itself, and everyone (even the criminals themselves) injured by this type of crime would have been benefitted by that just, moral, true, accurate, effective, employment of Rule of Law.

Some may say that the need for Military Expediency was the reason why Congress could not deal with the criminals among themselves, at that time.

That is why this point in the study proves that such an argument is not only baseless, it is contrary to the facts as the facts are reasoned out thoughtfully.

If so many people, from so many races, religions, were running away from tyranny, such as British Tyranny, Dutch Tyranny, and the like, then their common bond was to find, employ, and defend a land where people running away from Tyranny could find, earn, and keep sanctuary, or liberty, from Tyranny - and these people knowable as we the moral, voluntary, defensive, federated, people - all of them, could defend all of them, no matter what their former owners claimed to be their reasons for owning people. That common bond, bonding all free minded, and free acting, people, to defend each other, constitutes the moral justification for all police, or military, use of force anywhere, anytime, against those whose common bond is to excuse, apologize for, fund, aid, abet, lend moral support to, and lend material support to, Tyranny in every single flavor and form.

If it was right, justified, good, productive, and Militarily sound to offer German Mercenaries, or Indians, or British Officers, or French, or Polish, or Spanish people, a stake of land for their prosperous, productive, employment, and their defense against Tyranny, which then increases the numbers of defenders against Tyranny, while at the same time reducing the numbers of people working for the Tyrants (taking an oath of blind obedience to the so called "King"), then why is that somehow not a sound Military, efficient, decision when dealing with African (or Irish) Slaves?

When I get back you will see in the Secret Record, published by Union States Assembly, that people were on the right side of this African Slave Military Matter too.

I will return to cutting and pasting the relevant quotes, and then we can find out later one, with further study, what happened to the proposal to do the right thing, in this matter too.

Here:
That the state of South Carolina, as represented by the delegates to the said state, and by Mr. Huger, who has come hither at the request of the governour of the said state, on purpose to explain the particular circumstances thereof, is unable to make any effectual efforts with militia, by reason of the great proportion of citizens necessary to remain at home,
to prevent insurrections among the negroes, and to prevent the desertion of them to the enemy That the slate of the country, and the great numbers of those people among them, expose the inhabitants to great danger from the endeavours of the enemy to excite
them either to revolt or desert. That it is suggested by the delegates of the said state, and by Mr. Huger, that a force might be raised in the said state from among the negroes, which would not only be formidable to the enemy, from their numbers, and the discipline of which they would very readily admit, but would also lessen the danger from revolts and desertions, by detaching the most vigorous and enterprising from among the negroes. That as this measure may involve inconveniences peculiarly affecting the state of South Carolina and Georgia, the committee are of
opinion that the same should be submitted to the governing powers of the said states ; and if the said powers shall judge it expedient to raise such a force, that the United States ought to defray the expense thereof: Whereupon,


The word "detaching" may need to be understood in context?

Background check on Mr. Huger uncovers:
https://books.google.com/books?https://archive.org/details/addresstononslav00lcamer

Address to the non-slaveholders of the South, on the social and political evils of slavery

Before reading that, what was the answer from Congress as to the proposal by Mr. Huger to offer slaves a choice to fight the British? The right thing to do would be to give everyone the same opportunity already offered the Germans back in these same Secret Documents on page 71:


To the officers and soldiers in the service of the king of Great Britain, not subjects of the said king: The citizens of the United States of America are engaged in a just and necessary war — a war in which they are not the only persons interested. They contend for the rights of human nature, and therefore merit the patronage and assistance of all mankind. Their , success will secure a refuge from persecution and tyranny to those who wish to pursue the dictates of their own consciences, and to reap the fruits of their own industry.

That kind Providence, who from seeming evil often produces real good, in permitting us to be involved in this cruel war, and you to be compelled to aid our enemies in their vain attempts to enslave us, doubtless hath in view to establish perfect freedom in the new world, for those who are borne down by the oppression and tyranny of the old.

Considering, therefore, that you are reluctantly compelled to be instruments of avarice and ambition, we not only forgive the injuries which you have been constrained to offer us, but we hold out to your acceptance a participation of the privileges of free and independent states. Lcrge and fertile tracts of country invite and will amply reward your industry.


So going back to the Secret Documents from Congress to find what Congress decides to do with the proposal by Mr. Huger.

Page 109 of those Secret Documents of Congress:

Resolved, That it be recommended to the stales of
South Carolina and Georgia, if they shall think the
same expedient, to take measures immediately for
raising three thousand able-bodied negroes.


Resolved, That Congress will make provision for
paying the proprietors of such negroes as shall be en
listed for the service of the United States during the
war, a full compensation for the property, at a rate
not exceeding one thousand dollars for each active
able-bodied negro man of standard size, not exceeding
thirty-five years of age, who shall be so enlisied and
pass muster.
IK) SECRET JOURNAL. [ApriJ. S,
That no pay or bounty be allowed to the said ne
groes ; but that they be clothed and subsisted at the
expense of the United States.
That every negro who shall well and faithfully serve as a soldier to the end of the present war, and shall
then return his arms, be emancipated, and receive the
sum of fifty dollars.