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 Posted: Mon Jun 17th, 2013 03:56 pm
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Joe Kelley

 

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Mana: 
Sergey,

your absolute truth is a direct consequence of this 'matter exists' axiom
That, to me, measures a general lack of power to communicate.

I can merely compare what you wrote with what I've written, and offer to you a measure of agreement.

I can write, again, that each time I try to refute what I see as true, each time, without fail, the true perception in question proves to be true, without exception so far.

I can offer that and I can offer to compare that to your own words here:

Throughout my time I have seen a great many efforts to disprove it (all of which have failed).
I can even use, borrow, your words with minimal changes:

Throughout my time I have seen a great many efforts to disprove (perception exists) and in each case all have failed.

I do not see a connection between your words compared to my words and then somehow your words and my words are connected to this:

your absolute truth is a direct consequence of this 'matter exists' axiom
Who uses the words  'matter exists' axiom?

I do not.

If that perception can be connected to my perception that perception exists, each time I test for perception existing, or not existing, each time, every time, then I fail to see the connection, and I'm wondering, since communication appears to be so full of land mines, if you think there is a connection.

Perhaps there is no connection between what you have called my "notion" and what you are labeling as 'matter exists' axiom.

I know that perception exists, each time I check to see if it does, or does not, exist, and each time it proves to exist.

I know that much, if I know anything.

I do not know what is, or is not, a 'matter exists' axiom.

I see no connection, and if there is a connection, then I have to depend upon 2 things, at least, to find it.

1.
Communication

2.
Perception

It, or this 'matter exists' axiom, if it exists, is not perceived by me as existing, but I do know that I perceive the label of it, so my thinking is that communication has to exist, in some form or another, so as to allow me to perceive what is it, if it exists, or as far as I can perceive, it is merely a label, or it is merely an arrangement of symbols in English.

I did read your words, and I think I perceive a measure of understanding, in those words, when you wrote this:

So I'm going to give a piece of mind, that may seem irrelevant.
In places where I perceived relevance I worked to convey agreement, and I may be wrong in my agreement with the following meaning:

Decent analysis.
I can agree that those words are perceived by me as a measure of agreement.

I don't know what your scale is, but those words are perceived by me as a measure of agreement.