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| Posted: Sat Jun 8th, 2013 05:03 pm |
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Alright, I'll play along. Don't mind fancy wording, I wasn't actually trying to put pressure on you or "informing you of your faults" - that was just me emphasizing my point with red lettering as they say. But anyway. So I assume (hate me for that later) that you have a certain amount of experience in linguistics. At least that seems to be the case judging from your analysis of the language control scheme possibilities presented above. So let's break it down. 1. Language core. Base of the language which reflects its purpose. Math in the most direct sense applies to the core of Hebrew for example. So why am I pointing out the subject of the core? From the core spurs the basic language structure. And if language initially wasn't tampered with - formed structure becomes an authentic form. Anything added later that contradicts that form in any way 'feels' like it doesn't belong. 2. Broken language. Language that has been stripped of it's structure. Formed structure cannot be destroyed. But it can be lost, disconnected for perception. And even substituted with something else. And there are many ways to do that. If language is based on another language (like Ukranian) it usually being created with certain amount of tampering. Now this tampering can be willfully damaging to acquire control, but not necessarily. 3. Outcome of control. Language both reflects and shapes people's mentality. So in a way that is obvious weak point, one controlling which leads to controlling the other. We spoke earlier about music and direct effect of it in the hands of social parasites. It seemed to me at the time that you have absorbed what I had to say on the matter quite quite appropriately. So no obvious reason for me not to accept your take on language control by social parasites. Even if I didn't know about these methods (although I did). I've pointed out these three moments just for presentation structural measure, not to make them more significant than other details. So no - typical math cannot technically account for language work, not in case of Russian language at the very least, considering that in its base it has levels of relevance that cannot be outworked by mathematically counted methods (and I don't mean absolute mathematics, just what social parasites are using). This language is more overarching than that math. Not Hebrew though. And certainly not English or Latin. Little food for thought, eh? Yes, directing language to a binary logic use is a common example of attempt on language control. When subjects viewed 'as opposed to' or adverbs 'colored' by comparison to the opposite. Idea behind this is to limit choice to 'yes/no'. People get used to thinking in these conditioned categories and then their thought-process is put under more stress with direct confusion between the opposites. An example: Russian language has prefix "Без-" which means same as English suffix "-less". In the last century language got a government reform saying that "Без-" should be written (and read) as "Бес-". That last letter sound automatically becomes consonant (like if 'z' suddenly became 's') where applicable basically. And justifications for that were that "it's a natural linguistic transition to a better language" (made-up reason) and that "we read it as consonant anyways" (another made-up reason). So what it did actually? On the first glance - nothing. And naturally even native speaker wouldn't notice it consciously. But then... "Бес" in Russian means 'imp' or some evil demon of sorts. Even though consciously you can miss this connection - unconsciously it is made. So when someone say a word like "Бесчестный" (dishonest) subliminally you get "бес честный" (imp is honest). Or "Бесстрашный" (fearless) becomes 'imp is fearful'. You might think of it as a stretch, but it actually isn't. What it does is confuses a person of what is a virtue and what is a vice. And when a person has a moral pressure - person no longer has a firm stance - person was conditioned not to. I think I've touched all specifics related to control you've mentioned in your post. But I can talk about it for days, and I would hate to accidentally start another book-like effort just because I can. I'd rather not, so if we happen to have a traction in this subject - we better specify it before I go complete medieval "let god sort'em out" kind of attitude. I hope that you are making the best of your time here on Earth, and if it means anything to you I even trust that you are doing so as best you can. I can't leave Midgard just yet. You see that requires going through planetary step of self-development. And for my entity it took who knows how many incarnations to get where I am now. And by looks of things I might need quite some more to get there. If I was getting close I would remember much more previous experience for once. Although being aware of all this puts me in somewhat safer spot that many others, much of which fall prey to social parasites and other parasites on lower levels. Ehhh, I'm elaborating on things we have no common point yet too much again. Pardon me for that. Last edited on Sat Jun 8th, 2013 05:18 pm by |
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