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bear, you wrote that sentence for reasons that I can guess. My guess is that you wrote that sentence because you are honest about what you tell people, as the phrase goes: "Let the chips fall as they may."
We do not see things the same way. I have to pretend to do something to then reach for a goal. If I get to the goal, does that erase my pretense of imagining to be capable of doing something I can't really know that I can do?
Take this book editing stuff, for example. It was the highest mountain in view, with shear cliffs on all sides, and yet we both pretended to be author and publisher.
That is my view, and I express my view with words. My view does not have to be your view, and words tend to fail to communicate precise meaning, unless the people discussing diverse perspectives pretend that they can reach for that goal.
I think Sergey and I, if we are able, will have to figure out how to talk with each other. The dynamics are different. I am really enjoying reading his history of Russia and I have to admit I feel much like a simpleton when I read you and Mike and Sergey talking about stuff I never even think about. I feel like my words do not measure up.
Here is where you have to pretend that I am honest when I say that your words are very important to me, because they are honest words, and because your unique experiences are no less valuable to me than any person ever alive, living, or who will live, because I have no capacity to know the absolute truth, and for all I know all life on earth depends upon you living the life you will live exactly the way you will live your life, without deviation of any kind in the least.
Mike and I have a long history of sharing great things to little boys, great things to teen age men, and great things to human beings, and we exemplify productive relationships, in my opinion. We have not discussed much, for reasons that can be understood in time, but we are now finding out how each of us perceives life, in greater detail, compared to merely being close friends: family.
Sergey and I have a very short history, but a familiar one because of the rarity of such relationships happening, whereby a person who does not settle for less than better understanding meets a similarly driven person, so in that way I see a repeat of my relationship with you happening again with my relationship with Sergey.
If the goal is to know better, instead of worse, then help is needed, since one person is very limited in their own personal experiences, and error is likely, so there has to be a way, a better way, to avoid error, and gain help.
How?
I think Joe, that you allowing me to at least speak on Spiritual things allowed me some kind of realm of confidence even in the midst of the mind numbing truth I was having to swallow.
Sergey may be seeing a thing in view called Religion but he is seeing the Counterfeit version, and he is not fooled by the Counterfeit version.
When you say things, he sees the Counterfeit version.
Does that mean that Sergey cannot be one of God's Children?
You are not God, so you can't know, but you can pretend to know, and you may reach the goal of knowing if, or if not, Sergey is one of God's Children, despite the fact that he does not say the things you say.
What, if anything, does Sergey see that may resemble God?
Is there a power in view, to Sergey, where that power works to do all the things God does, in your view?
I don't know. I do know that words often fail to work when the goal is to communicate accurate meaning. I am pretending to be a honest friend to you, Sergey, and Mike, and so far that goal appears to be working.
We have discussed the time/action perspective compared to the time/inaction perspective. I used the quote from Marx as quoted in the book by Erich Fromm to convey that time/action perspective as it compares to the time/inaction perspective.
Thinking in static time, as if people can "own" things, to me, is a part of the Great Deception used by Legal Criminals to steal earnings from those who earn, and then those Legal Criminals have investment POWER to use to keep on stealing.
If you can imagine being ahead of time to a place where you now find Sergey to be an honest friend worth the effort to know better, then you can pretend to see how you got there at that point.
There are no points, time keeps on going by, you can take a picture, and then have a picture, but even that goes on by, relentlessly, persistently, and so it may be a good idea to understand, or even embrace, the POWER at work.
I don't know.
Sergey automatically says I have not "evolved." Well, how do you think that makes me feel? It does not make me feel like I know anything. It makes me feel stupid in his eyes. So what do I have to offer? Nothing. I am an archaic relic out of touch with reality. Certainly, I know nothing, and now instead of laughing at his FacePalm picture, tears are streaming.
Because, because, because, communication is full of obstacles? In light of the POWER of DECEPTION working against our life form, a POWER working in each individual mind, in each individual thought, and in each individual action, whereby millions of innocent victims are tortured daily, then murdered, the obstacles overwhelm an individual at moments of weakness?
Is that a surprise?
You are being tortured, but I don't think it is Sergey that is willfully endeavoring to torture you, for his fun, and his profit. He may be much more like you, than not, and if he were to be you, having all your experiences, he might be doing the same things you are doing now, and why not? How can you answer the question? Can you pretend to be Sergey, and see if it is possible the other way?
No, you can't, because you did not grow up in Russia. Your experience with Religion is a genuine personal experience you have with God, in your own way, connected to God. You may never be able to share that with anyone, other than to report your findings. What do you think Sergey is doing?
Does he know something similar to God? I want to find out.
I have not found God, as you have, and I am jealous of you.
Sergey is not jealous of you, he thinks your God is the same God his experiences suggest to be God, which is a patented absurdity, a big lie, a False Front, a Falsehood.
He hears God, and what does he see?
You hear God, and what do you see?
It may be a good idea to put that on the shelf, and allow Sergey to help us understand Russian History from someone in Russia instead of us "knowing" Russian History from our personal experiences that include a whole lot of our earnings flowing to people who then consume our earnings in the effort to make us stupid.
I am having a hard week...again. I left you some words above about the book.
It is hard to know whether you have seen my words or not because other posts end up separating them, or rather raising them from the last comment.
Personally, I am getting sick and tired of everyone lording their opinions over me, both here, at the DP, and in real life.
I think the Personal Message thing can become a useful device. I don't normally watch that, but I can work to make it a habit if you run into failures to communicate and access that device, or e-mail, or red letters and caps, whatever you can invent, produce, and maintain as your way of communicating is, often, exemplary of an honest Christian: the real thing and not a counterfeit version.
I hope you can have many better days compared to these difficult ones.
Our country is going down the tubes and it is bewildering and I don't know who to trust. Everyone is pushin social agendas, political agendas, and thought agendas.
Me too.
1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
Bring the Troops Home
4.
Do so by July 4th, 2013
If you want to find friend from foe, how can you know, better from worse?
Ask if there is a way out of this mess, and you were given an answer. I have not been given that answer. So are my days worse than yours since I am not one of the ones saved by Jesus?
Here you can go to your safe place and help me with my answers. Imagine a day, it could happen, we can pretend that it will happen, where I am given that answer, and I too am saved by Jesus.
You can't say that I have not asked for God, or Jesus, or God and Jesus, to help me believe this truth that you know, and be honest, because I've told you that I have tried to believe, and it just does not happen.
You know, or should know by now, that I do try to believe.
I am jealous, you have certainly heard that much.
How do you know that Sergey, and many other people, were not tricked into trying to believe in God, and it turned out that they were actually trying to believe in a False God, and now they are jaded?
Been there, done that?
I don't know.
I don't have an agenda. But I am a person, and I am allowed to have my own opinions even if they are not as lofty or as socially evolved as everyone elses.
Sergey may be able to say hurtful things to you, when he intends to be helping you, from his viewpoint.
Look here:
You care enough to offer a viewpoint that you know to be true.
Can someone else know what you know?
How has your generous offer of that understanding worked on me?
Am I just too stupid? Am I not willing to know? Is there something in my experience that gets in the way? Is there something in my thinking that gets in the way? Are there actions I willfully do that get in the way, these sins you say are sins?
Do you have any idea as to how your welcome viewpoint affects my thoughts and actions in time, and in place, as the conveyor belt of human existence marches toward World War III and all that goes with it?
I won't be the worst person you meet, nor the best, but I've earned trust, which isn't a prize, since you can trust that someone will lie to you, in any case.
I don't think Sergey is willfully intending to cause you trouble, and I trust that you are not willfully intending to cause anyone any trouble.
Does Sergey find cause to feel troubled?
What is face planting all about?
I don't know.
I can guess.
I can pretend to know.
Will I know?