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It seems if I understand Sergey, only one truth is possible and one must strive to get to that truth.
It seems if I understand Mike, that truth is within perception so multiple truths can exist.
It seems neither of the 2 think it is ok to agree to disagree. I am standing my ground because Truth is the Word of God and I am not changing my ground. However, if I have misunderstood God's Word, the Bible, then the Bible is right and I am wrong.
One example is Jesus being held to account for my sins. I have trouble with that perspective.
Joe, you, and only you, are accountable for your sin. God says the equitable commerce price for sin is death.
You know, Josiah Warren had a stipulation on the labor dollor papers. One could trade for equitable labor or for corn if I remember right. You may redeem your sin certificate for death or for Jesus Christ who conquered death. The choice is yours.
http://www.power-independence.com/forum/attachment.php?id=2
The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life thru Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23
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God destroying babies, according to writing in The Bible. I have a problem with that since that sounds to me like murder.
My answer does not change:
http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2909567On the Subject of Killing Babies
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
The Lord hates shedding innocent blood.
God has perfect knowledge whereby He sees all things including actual and possible, past, present, and future past all at once.
http://preceptaustin.org/notes_for_attributes_of_god_(ii).htm#OMNISCIENT
We have no way of knowing what “kind” of “blood” that was. Only God does. The command to slaughter everyone and everything in that specific city was not the shedding of innocent blood. God gave very specific plans to Joshua that they were to walk around the outside perimeter of the city one time each day for six days and on the seventh day they were to walk around 7 times and blow horns and the walls of the city fell down. It is a miracle and God provided the access for destruction of everything in that city.
Romans 8:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand , not of works, but of him that calleth; ) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written , Jacob have I loved , but Esau have I hated . 14 What shall we say then ? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy , and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault ? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known , endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
This is reminding me of the time I said “you are not God,” and those words were taken literally as if I was accusing you of thinking or saying you thought you were God. I went back to look at the post. I am dying laughing once again!
http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2602248 :
“I don't know what inspired you to school me on the fact that I am not God, was it something you read?”
Because I am inclined to say my original words from that abyss: "God is I am; you (and I) are not."
And I am dying laughing. But really seriously, my point is that we do not have the mind of God. We do not understand the purpose of God. But if we will try to understand Romans 8 above that God is the potter, we are the vessels. That passage says that before the twin boys were born, that God loved Jacob and hated Esau because Jacob had been chosen or elected for a specific purpose.
I humanely do not understand that. It bothers me, it does not seem fair. I do not understand why God would allow a place like Jericho to exist to begin with. Countless children were laid on sizzling platters and burned and tortured and offered to Molech. Why? Why? Why?
Why did God destroy every living creature at the flood except those on the ark? The truth of the matter is that it amazing that any of us get any mercy. That is what the truth is. We are sinful and unholy. I have done things I WILL NOT REPEAT TO ANYONE. Me, the pastor’s wife. I deserve everlasting destruction. It is amazing that I have received mercy from God. I cannot explain it. But the truth of the matter is that we have no concept of a Holy God and the peril that our lives hang in, and until we understand we are utterly dependent on that mercy we will never experience it.
Why are children and women and family destroyed, suffering, starving to death in the Middle East. Because man is wicked. And man will continue to be more and more wicked as time progresses.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning , and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
In other words, you think drones and killing and suffering is bad now, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
• 2 Timothy 3:13 KJV
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving , and being deceived
But The Lord will have the last word.
James 5: 1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. 2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth eaten. 3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. 4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. 5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. 6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
Joe, we don’t know what diseases or wickedness lay within the walls of that city, Jericho. The only thing we know is that God miraculously made the walls fall down so that Joshua could carry out the command to destroy everyone and everything.
Why do you think the Jews were no longer residing in that land that was given to them by God? Because He sent them into exile because they did not follow equity. They were destroyed off of the Land. Their decendants began to worship the same god, Molech, and sacrificed their own children upon firey alters. Joshua warned them. Here are Joshua’s dying words:
Joshua 23:14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof. 15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you. 16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.
Perhaps their “constitution” was only for a moral and religious people as well…
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