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http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2790773 :
In post: July 4th 2013 Liberty Day Challenge
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Accountability
Submitted by Josf on Wed, 10/17/2012 - 17:40. Permalink
" But if I don’t say what is going on in my mind, how can a Friend in Liberty help me?"
Your vote of sending Federal Reserve Notes to the National Government is the actual vote that counts, it seems to me, so whatever you do with the other counterfeit vote, the votes that won't be counted, is superfluous at best, and counterproductive in a measurable way, as you could have done something useful with the time you spend considering and then actually voting in the National Election Psycho.
You are actually playing with psychopaths, and that is the fact of the matter, in any way you may want to measure it, it ends up being participation in torture and mass murder made legal.
To me there will be a judgement day and on that day the vote you cast in Federal Reserves Notes sent to the National Legal Crime Cabal will count much more than your frivolous mark being placed on an official sounding National Election computer screen, or card, or paper ballot, but they both will say the same thing.
You lend moral and material support to torture and mass murder made legal and not just one person tortured once, legally, and not just one murder victim murdered once, since the scale of these crimes makes Hitler and the Nazi crimes pale in comparison since, as you have been shown already, it is the same process that was used to finance both Hitler and Stalin, and therefore the body counts are accountable to those specific people who invent, produce, and maintain (lending moral and material support) to that most egregious crime made legal that can be known by many names, such as The Dollar Hegemony, while it is denominated in dollars, or the World Bank, or the World Reserve Currency Power, or The New World Order, or Legal Crime, whichever word accounts most accurately.
Again, to me, your vote for Romney is pathetic compared to the flow of Federal Reserve Notes that flow from you, and all the other honest productive people, flowing to Legal Crime Central, so...
Who cares who you vote for in the staged, false front, National Election Fraud?
Not me, but I won't be the one inspecting your records on Judgment Day, so....
Buttons?
I have to sew one on my one good shirt, and I have to sew a pocket back one of my son's good shirts.
So...
What is really important, now that we have spoken about the pathetic stuff?
1.
End the FED competitively (not by replacing it with something worse)
2.
End the IRS competitively (same qualification)
3.
Bring the Troops Home (not to enforce submission to the new World Reserve Currency Power and not to enforce submission to the old one)
Romney?
What do I care?
Stupid is what stupid does?
Phrases in English?
Holes in paper?
Zeros stored on a hard drive?
Make more tomato jars and raise the kids to know better, they may need that effort by you in their future?
"But if I don’t say what is going on in my mind, how can a Friend in Liberty help me?"
Here again is how honesty works so much more competitively than dishonesty. What is the point? I can't vote for Romney, I do not want that to haunt me for the slightest increment of time, never mind for eternity.
If criminals hire a better liar to lie for them, what business is it of mine?
If Ron Paul is on the ballot, I have a reason to vote, because he may work toward ending the fed, the irs, and bringing the troops home.
Lesser of two evils dogma does not work on my conscience. I know better, and you should too.
If I am wrong, then someone, somewhere, could lay it out in a reasonable way, so even I could see where I am wrong.
No such thing has even come close, so far, in my travels.
Evil is evil. Stop supporting it and it will be supported less, and how can that not be obvious, and accurately measurable?
"He seemed to listen."
Please, yes, listen, and either improve the viewpoint or fail to improve it, but at least try to improve the viewpoint, instead of dismissing it, for what, in the hopes that it will go away?
If we were farmers and we found out our soil was gaining aluminum, barium, and other things, and that the PH was turning acidic, would hopping that it goes away do any good?
Who needs food?
Who cares?
Who cares enough to do something about any of these problems that are all linked by the same ONE THING which is that Dollar Unit of Legal Extortion, Fraud, and the required torture and mass murder that must accompany it for it to perpetuate?
I can't get far from the obvious solutions and I have my own competitive ideas as to how to accomplish those solutions.
1.
End the FED
2.
End the IRS
3.
Bring the Troops Home
Wishing that it goes away does not help make it go away.
"So, Joe, what can we do about it? How can we get enough American’s wake up over night?"
You answered that question already.
"He seemed to listen."
I've been at it longer. Seeds are planted. Nothing is done deceitfully. Nothing is done threateningly. Nothing is done violently when working on informing other people so that other people either know better or YOU know better with their help.
The solution is not in my power (alone) to execute, even if I think I know the solution.
Stop providing the means by which we suffer, yourself, and maybe your efforts to do so, which may or may not work, will inspire other people to copy the example or improve upon it.
Liberty works one way.
Legal Crime works another way.
When the Friends of Liberty fight Legal Criminals the Legal Criminals are the offenders, and the Friends of Liberty are the Defenders, if it comes to that, and it has in the past, so this is not NEWS.
"I didn’t even ask her why…because she is of the left bent. I just figured she was wrong. See how that works?"
In a dark room there will be a lot of stumbling around?
"Joe, what do you think happened on 9/11?"
The buildings were loosing money, so they had to be destroyed, the people who destroyed them made a profit, and the fact that they destroyed them with a lot of people in them was even more profitable for the criminals who destroyed them, since they could then make money on the aggressive wars for profit that was launched by falsely blaming innocent people for the crime of destroying those building while people were still in 2 of them. The third building was evacuated.
Afghanistan was on the list of place to destroy with aggressive war because of the opium that is grown in Afghanistan and because of the need to use the place to transport petroleum products, oil and natural gas, through it.
The demolition of those buildings on that day was a classic case of a False Flag operation, no different than dressing up as Indians, slaughtering White Settlers, blaming the slaughter of White Settlers on the neighboring Indians, so as to slaughter the Indians, and then take over control of the land that is occupied by the Indians.
This is not news, and the evidence of controlled demolition is uncontroversial, mere fact, there is no other way that buildings can fall at that speed that those buildings fell, near the rate of gravitational acceleration or Free Fall. No way.
It is an unambiguous case of willful premeditated murder for profit.
If you were on a Jury, real Jury not a counterfeit one, you could ask anyone whose profession is relevant to the case, and you could judge the case on professional evidence discovered during the case, and then actual people could be held accountable for those crimes.
No such thing has happened.
Why?
The NEWS (entertainment?) has many people blaming Osama Bin Laden?
Osama Bin Laden isn't even a suspect in reality.
The event is as farcical as was Legalized Slavery made officially legal with The Constitution, the Whiskey Rebellion, The Alien and Sedition Acts, The War of 1812, The Andrew Jackson attempted murder, The Civil War, The Lincoln Murder, The Gulf of Tonkin fraud, The Kennedy Murders, The Randy Weaver massacre, the Waco torture and massacre, the Oklahoma City massacre, Persistent Vapor Trails, and now this 911 farce?
Who is kidding who?
I'm not fooled.
I may be a fool, but those things are uncontroversial, there is an "official" lie, and then there are actual people making their crimes legal, people with names, people having reasons, people making profits, actual accounts, actual money trails, so on and so forth, discoverable facts were a Trial by Jury in force and applied to the actual criminals by the victims or by Friends of Liberty.
Due process of law only due in the form of taking productive power from productive people and then using that stolen loot to steal more?
I had a thought on this involving the concept of Mob Rule and illustrated with the Vampire story, but this is already a very long reply.
"...I have even had my faith shaken."
How can you remain faithful if you do not resolve contradictions that may appear to be contradictions in time? You are not God, so you will not know everything, and I thought that faith was earned, not handed to you on a silver platter, am I mistaken?
"But haven’t we talked about the cost of all the deceit?"
The rubber meets the road? The thin blue line? How can you know the difference between fact and fiction, given the demonstrable fact that we can be deceived?
I don't know. I am not God. I have to question my own judgment, failure to do so is ludicrous, deceitful, threatening, and can place me in violent situations - if I am not careful enough to question my own judgement where and when I can still afford to do so in time.
"I have no reason to deceive you."
I trust you on your word, innocent until proven guilty, and so far there is no evidence that suggests any effort on your part to deceive anyone, as far as I can tell.
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“….or merely maintaining a healthy boundary between public and personal information.”
Do you think I achieve that goal ok? I am pretty open an honest. I hope I do not report too much. I haven’t been taking part in forums for years. This is my first time.
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That is your sphere of influence, your control, your judgement, not mine. I can say that I think we, as people, aught to express ourselves more, not less, and let the chips fall as they may, since the Sounds of Silence, to me, are deafening.
"I suppose jackals and piranhas yell fire…and thinking of it from your welcome explanation given Solzhenitsyn, it is to silence competition whereby ectropy would exist?"
Here is where I get my clues in figuring out the genuine articles, the real deals, the true Friends of Liberty, as their DATA, their MEDIUMS OF EXCHANGE, their MONEY, reaches the same or similar conclusions, as my own study. We may be wrong, of course.
Think about it.
What would happen in a world where no one could communicate anything with anyone else ever?
The problem with connectivity is such that destructive things can travel as well as productive things, and if someone were to confuse destructive things with productive things they may BLAME the medium of exchange, because they fail to judge accurately concerning what is being transferred.
This is very well illustrated with the concept of a species killing virus that rapidly spreads from one person to another person, from one city to another city, one continent to another continent.
What happens if everyone thinks that the virus is the cure?
There is no hope, we all die quickly as each person is working ever faster to get the cure, but the cure is the virus.
What is that in other words?
I keep repeating the same thing.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."
When the people who are being destroyed by despotism (Legal Crime) wake up: they then stop seeking the virus as if the virus can cure them.
Legal Criminals know this, and so they make sure that those ideas do not become current, those ideas do not gain currency, and instead of those ideas gaining currency, a virus called Falsehood is made current, gaining currency, through such things as Television, which is almost an ideal Medium of Exchange for Dictators (Legal Criminals).
What is a Legal Money Monopoly Power?
When human beings stop seeking the virus, as if it was the cure, they will look back at this time and they will wonder, as we wonder about the people in Germany during the Nazi regime, "what were they thinking?".
"I want to vote for Romney"?
What were they thinking?
It is pathological.
I can link another 3 books that you do not have the time to read.
"Josf, can you hear the lies?"
You want to vote for Romney?
Sure, I can hear the lies. It is pathological.
It is very unfortunate.
"There seems like so many different avenues to go down. CAFR’s, Vote Count, Ending the Fed, people yelling Fire, making competitive currency…"
I am not God either, so I have to question my own judgement all the time, but I do have an advantage, I suppose, in an ability to multitask, so I can enjoy those things that make me happy even while I work on The Problem (of self government).
"I suppose you cannot tap into one of those underground desert rivers?"
The Pacific Gas and Electric PG&E Case has many answers along those lines, including the documentation of how underground rivers connect on maps for specific areas.
This is a good place to go off on another subject concerning my Product 1 and Product 2 ideas, the practicality of it, but again the word count is looming large.
"Balance is in order…I have a family…I just don’t have time even though I don't like what I see as injustice, or playing dirty."
Spirituality, it seems to me, is the missing element that is needed for that balance.
I spent my life, my power, making rocks and sand for construction, for the most part, the productive physical part of my life, and what would I have done had I been more balanced, more productive, better, more connected with the concept of morality, productivity, spirituality?
God only knows and I'm going to be clued in on Judgement Day?
God is not done with me yet?
"We must make all things our business to know and to speak about?"
To me the principle at work there is the concept of any willful injury to anyone by anyone is an injury to everyone. The innocent victim on the table being tortured right now is not happening in your kitchen, and the fact that it isn't happening in your kitchen is merely incidental. You are next. You are paying for that torture, so you are next, unless you hire on as the torturer, and even then you are only delaying your turn on the torture table, there will always be a more powerful criminal to take your place when the number of ready victims become scarce.
That is the Might makes Right scenario. We each eat each other until there are two of us left.
Then what?
"We must make all things our business to know and to speak about?"
Yes if it concerns injuries to innocent people, no if it does not concern injuries to innocent people. Who is "we"?
"I already surprise you? How is that?"
I've been at this for decades, then you show up. Can you imagine my surprise?
"I think priorities as well as Boyd’s Observe, Orient, Decide, Act are on the path to balance."
Without morality, or spirituality, whatever word works best, the Decide part is directionless or will the decide part be directed by evil?
Shake up your faith, sure, but then what?
Flip a coin?
I don't think so, but you can still surprise.
"I am tired today, I am not pushing to much."
I can sympathize. I can not empathize, I don't have that in me. I can reply with my visit to my mother today, where she is fighting between the loss of mental power with morphine or the loss of mental power with pain, and she says: "I know other people are worse off that me". She is no angel either.
Relative to what?
What is the scale?
God is not done with us?
I have chores (to be continued and possibly edited - if this publishes - reminding me to cut and paste it to word)
"It seems to me that a Fire of Liberty has been set ablaze. Is it a controlled burn?"
To me this falls again into the category of two different worlds where you and I are targets because we produce more than we consume, and that is uncontroversial if there is a net sheet known as the Federal Tax "Liabilities", and our world is driven by equitable thoughts and actions, The Golden Rule, morality, spirituality, whatever word works best in any case in this type of productive world, our world, where we have less at the start of the day and we have more at the end of the day, on average, over time, while the other world is Might making Right, or Falsehood, Lies, Threats, and Violence, taking and using what is taken to take more, so you can try to figure out from our world what their world is like, but seriously, it is another world, so you can, at best, guess, and you can borrow from other people, Confessions of a Monopolist by Frederic Clemson Howe, or Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins, Money Masters, whatever, the pieces start fitting into an understandable viewpoint, but how far from your world is that world?
Liberty is a POWER struggle as long as there are criminals who use deceit, threats, and violence as they injure innocent people anywhere.
Of course it is a controlled burn, but who, what, and where are people aggressively, willfully, burning other people, for fun and profit?
Whose business is it that Liberty is being burned out on purpose?
Is there false examples of Liberty being invented, produced, and maintained by Legal Criminals to divide and conquer those who would be effective at defending Liberty had the fake stuff not been in place to burn out defensive power as defensive power is thereby shunted, wasted, spent doing nothing or worse?
What do you think The Constitution is?
So Ron Paul says The Constitution is good?
If so then he is deceived. Does he? I think he says that Limited Government is better than unlimited government, and a Constitutional Limited Government is good, and so there is room to understand that Ron Paul means well, and is not deceived and he is also careful in making sure that he does not deceive anyone else.
How would you know a friend of liberty if one fell out of the sky?
"Did you hear Alex Jones interview Gary Johnson? Alex Jones even talked about Perot being a Clinton plant."
Alex Jones is a competitive News Reporter. He offers sources that the customers who buy his News Reports (or consume them for "free") which is a whole lot more than Entertaining "NEWS" does, but the Ross Perot event, as far as I know, was too damaging to Legal Crime to be anything other than damaging to Legal Crime.
I don't think a Legal Criminal would ever allow such as thing, as the Ross Perot thing, to happen if it can be avoided. A baseline was set, back when the National Debt was merely 4 Trillion, if I remember right, and now there is another ZERO added to that tally.
When is enough enough?
How do you know if you don't count?
Was all that Ross Perot and Ron Paul stuff staged?
Sure, it can be that, so as to usher in World War III, and the plan could not work as well without those adjustments made to the aggregate power of "public opinion".
I suppose.
I does not add up to me. I don't have the most powerful Legal Crime strategy ledger. I can certainly be wrong.
"That is good. Don’t believe words given by a human. Seek God with all your heart. Joe, will you ask Him to reveal himself to you?"
How is that not the same thing as curiosity? We do not see the same way, but I don't think the differences are of any great significance, not, for example, as different as us being compared with someone who employes deceit, threats of violence, and violence to get what they want from innocent victims, you know, voters in a National Election.
What do you think they want to get with their votes, not that they will get anything they want, but what is the driving principle as far as you can tell?
"I pray for you that you will be able to see."
I meditate, or just sit and listen, or whatever you want to call it when I am asking for greater understanding so that I can know better.
It may be correct to conclude that allowing these long posts to get too far down the list on this Topic is a factor in my having trouble with the forum error messages.
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Joe