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http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2829436 :
In post: Liberty Day Challenge July 4th 2013 V2
In reply to comment: How many times must one pass Go (see in situ)
Deep rooted self-destruction
Submitted by Josf on Sun, 11/11/2012 - 10:01. Permalink
Insurance defined according to a source:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurance
2
: a means of guaranteeing protection or safety
Means, a word, BEING DEFINED according to an authoritative source that DEFINES the word "means":
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=3&pq=insura...
meansplural of means (Noun)
Noun:
An action or system by which a result is brought about.
Money; financial resources.
Bear,
I do not prop myself up as the authority (inert/static) of anything other than the messages that I THINK (action/dynamic) I know (action) currently (action/dynamic) because that is the limit of my POWER (action/dynamic) and even if I could FORCE (action/dynamic) you to THINK (action/dynamic) the say way, by dictating (action/dynamic) those THINGS (inert/static) into your being (action/dynamic) I would not do so because the value (action/dynamic) of having two competitive viewpoints would be lost if I had the POWER (action/dynamic) to FORCE (action/dynamic) you or anyone to THINK (action/dynamic) the same way as I think.
Why would anyone ever spend their time and energy (POWER) forcing other people to think ONE way, which is, by definition, the one way that the individual doing the forcing is thinking?
Cui Bono?
Insurance is a verb.
Take out the word insurance and take out the word verb and in place of those words put in the definitions I found (not mine, they are borrowed from someone else, not my OWN definitions) and then see the sentence constructed in that specific way as follows:
An action or system guaranteeing protection or safety.
What is an action guaranteeing protection or safety, if those actions can be conveyed as one THING without having to list all the actions one at a time?
Insurance.
How about THE LIST of all the actions required to be acted out in order for an action or system guaranteeing protection or safety to happen in real time, not in theory, but actually happening in a dynamic sense of human life concurring in time and space?
You could play a part in my narrative with John and Jane at the Equitablist Bank where Product 1 and Product 2 are sold.
Speaking of which (equitablist) I wonder if that word has gained currency according to the Google measure of currency and if you remember that word you invented did not exist by that same Google measure of currency. You created a new word in English, or at least you are one among hundreds of millions of people who may have created that word, if anyone other than you had also created that word.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=equitabl...
About 279 results (0.25 seconds)
I had another idea, concerning my book project, which would be a book written and printed as a collection of our discussion, which is something I would not do without your permission, or further help.
There are more than a few ways to publish and sell books.
Here is one good link on publishing books:
http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2012/01/self-publishing-your-ow...
Back to the discussion:
"Use it or lose it, you say: I do not naturally think in opposites. I suppose my thinking is pretty much one-dimensional."
Think about it more, you may invent new and improved ways to think about it more, and you can even test your progress as time goes by in a dynamic sense.
This is a dragon you are fighting and that dragon is hinted at in the quote published by Erich Fromm on Carl Marx - if you have forgotten it I can re-publish it here.
No, no need to foam at the mouth, I do not support Bolshevism, but "we" did through Wall Street and the money monopoly POWER, so don't blame me - please.
"Therefore if thine enemy hunger , feed him; if he thirst , give him drink : for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head."
I read that as: Allow the power of creation (God) to work on everything naturally, do not yourself prop yourself up as creator of life, falsely, by propping yourself up as destroyer of life.
or
Do not become that which you supposedly abhor, because if you do, then you are what you supposedly abhor.
Not to be confused with actions in self defense when natural self defense takes over when all other options (due diligence) are no longer available because some abhorrent criminal aggressively attacks you, or someone else, leaving no options left but self-defensive actions, and even then, as I have offered to you, why can't you have a device that can immobilize, without harming (other than relatively harming them in the sense that they don't get to murder and torture someone, which to them is a loss of their valuable time and energy) anyone.
or
Do No Harm (including do not abandon victims to be tortured and murdered by criminals)
What is insurance?
An action or system guaranteeing protection or safety.
What is Trial by Jury, the real thing, when it actually worked as intended, and crime was minimized, and punishments were typically simple fines charged to those found guilty of the few remaining crimes.
An action or system guaranteeing protection or safety.
What happens if crime doesn't pay so well per torture and murder victim, or per hour, or quota, or a percentage commission, etc.?
What happens when the victims are led to believe that "providing the means by which we suffer" is an action or system guaranteeing protection or safety?
What happens if the best game in town, the highest paying job, is Legal Fraud, Legal Extortion, and all the Legal Torture and Mass Murder required to keep that game going?
Stay tuned?
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Coming to a Theater Near you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwjtbTjTsE
"Saying the nation of Israel will only be restored by Messiah and that the humanly done Zionism is not according to God’s will."
All a skeptic would need to do, it seems to me, is spend some time in the new Concentration Camps in Palastine to then remove their skepticism concerning the truth of those words published in that lats quote:
"Saying the nation of Israel will only be restored by Messiah and that the humanly done Zionism is not according to God’s will."
Zionism equates to Naziism.
The Nazi Political POWER (including a crushing monopoly money POWER) is no more Christian than the Zionist Political POWER (including a crushing monopoly money POWER) is Jewish.
The Republocrat Political POWER (including The FED/IRS money POWER) in America, and imported to "Third World" countries, is no more Spiritual than legal torture and legal murder upon children save those tortured and murdered children from death by torture or death by murder.
Lies are lies, that is what they are, and the liars don't, by definition, believe them, but a "true believer" in lies, by definition, is a sick person who is infected with falsehood, stuck in a closed loop, supporting a FALSE GOD: a lie.
" I don’t understand the current dynamics between Israel and the Palestinians."
You may not want to dig too deep, there are many very sad things to witness on that path, very sad things, very destructive, demoralizing, evil things to witness, very, very, very, bad.
This one is not so bad, compared to what is being done to babies, toddlers, children, expectant mothers, but this link I will ask you to look at, is bad enough:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfRxHPOxdM4&feature=rellist&p...
I've told you the routine, it is not new, I found an example of the routine, the same routine, in an old book titled The Lost State of Franklin, where Legal Criminals solve the "Indian Problem", with the same "Final Solution", as they hire very evil people to dress up as "Indians", to slaughter Settlers, babies, pregnant mothers, toddlers, the more evil the better, and then blame the "Indians", so as to spread hatred into the Settlers, so as to justify slaughtering the "Indians", who happen to be occupying "The Promised Land", which is rich land, good land, abundant land, but occupied by that "problem" which is the same routine problem, over, and over, and over, and over again, where there are PEOPLE, already on that "Promised Land" that Legal Criminals promise themselves for their own exploitation USING their duped subjects that are subjected to the lies, threats, and violence of those same Legal Criminals doing the same old things, that work time and again, over, and over, and over, again, and again, like a broken record, or like a Business Psycho.
Ron Paul does not try to explain, in detail, the Business Cycle, but he does communicate the vital need to understand it.
Do I understand it?
I think I do, in a competitive, dynamic sense, and it is more than "just" about money, but money is the connecting medium, so take that power back from them, Friends of Liberty taking back the power of their own, honest, accurate, productive, POWERFUL, money, from the criminals, the psychopaths, the sociopaths, the immoral evil non-human beings, the pathological liars, and even the "true believers", the minions, the subjects, take back the power of honest, accurate, communication, and the Legal Crime power is rendered power-less.
Legal Crime cannot, then, pay so well: not without Monopoly Fraud Non-Money POWER working the way it works in a dynamic sense.
"There was a war in 1967 where a lot of nations came against Israel and Israel won and won ground."
"Nations" do not act. People moved POWER, in the form of money, in the form of promises to make more money, so as to cause a War to happen, and why do you think those PEOPLE willfully did those things, those actions, to cause that, or any, war to happen?
You are led to believe that Zionists, the actual PEOPLE, the people running the criminal government, were not provoking the war, deliberately, that "Israel", a thing, was innocent, defenseless, attacked by bad guys, and "Israel", a thing, had to defend itself from the bad guys, and had no other options at all. That is a familiar story.
The familiar story is that the aggressor seeking to gain land, promised to themselves, creates a false flag event, where the aggressors dress up as their victims, they slaughter people, such as the people on the U.S.S. Liberty, blame that on their victims, so as to "justify" the taking of "The Promised Land" from the native population who are already existing on that "Promised Land".
It can get complicated, of course, and so then you need to have an official member of the defending nation to explain the justifications for these things, of course, and what happens, in the unfortunate event, when the targeted victims win?
There are examples of cases where the targeted victims win, instead of the aggressors winning, and then history is written by the targeted victims, not the aggressive war for profiteers.
Look up stuff written by Patrick Henry for an example of what happens when The Business Psycho skips a beat.
What does the time between 1776 and 1788, in America, exemplify to anyone caring to know better?
If the good guys won the 6 day war, as History tells "us", then how does anyone explain the current Ghettos, the current Concentration Camps, the current "State of Affairs" in the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights?
Places with people already occupying the land promised to who by who?
Cui Bono?
Do you know about Islamic Finance?
"The point is getting across. Jeff doesn’t skip out on rent."
By what measure?
The World Reserve Currency POWER, having been a huge criminal process of taking power from other people and having that power benefit those people who FINANCE that power, is "skipping out on rent" and the records can show that without any room for doubt, all meticulously recording in documented fact.
A victim of this big lie, this Dollar Hegemony, the new Caesar, with "that which is Caesar's", moves power inequitably from the victims to the criminals.
How can anyone connected through The Dollar Hegemony claim not to be a part of the crime in progress?
In a relative sense, and I can illustrate this sense better, more accurately, those who "own" or "control" the Monopoly Power benefit by having that control.
The Criminals who co-op the home field subjects into cooperating do so by "spreading the wealth" during the BOOM part of the Business Psycho, and during that time, in that sense, those who benefit are skipping out on the rent, or, in other words, getting something for nothing, and in other words receiving stolen goods, and in other words getting a piece of the action, and in other words aiding and abetting criminals, and in other words profiting from aggressive wars for profit, and in other words evil.
Not acknowledging the facts is not the same thing as not being a part of the crimes in question.
Acknowledging the facts could turn someone around and instead of ignorantly supporting those crimes, with material support in the form of earnings (surplus wealth or Power to Purchase), the person acknowledges that support flowing in that way, and instead of doing nothing to stop that power flowing that way, the then aware person, having acknowledged the facts, can begin to work to stop supporting those crimes in those ways.
Like this:
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
Henry Ford
It is not theory. It is power flowing from ignorant people who are made to work harder and harder and have more and more of their power stolen and then having that stolen power used to steal more power from them.
The end result is war:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Progress toward war is carefully monitored, well documented, FACT.
Stop paying into it and what happens?
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
Henry Ford
Did that ever happen, where people stopped paying into it, and then what happens when people stop paying into it, happens?
There is a time period between 1776 and 1788, in America, that illustrates what can happen when people stop paying into it, and stuff happens, and if it can happen that way, it can happen that way again, and if actual people can learn from the mistakes recorded by people in the past, then people today can, if they learn from those mistakes, the people today can avoid making those same mistakes again.
Why is that not easy to see?
"Jeff doesn’t skip out on rent."
When China has the World Reserve Currency POWER, no longer U.S.A. Inc. (LLC), then Jeff won't be living in the place where the good end of the stick is, in FACT, and instead of receiving those benefits of having the good end of the stick here, we here, will be prodded with the stinky end of that stick, paying war debts, not spending war profits.
If that is not easy to see, for anyone else, so be it, and I can be wrong, but those are well documented facts, to be known, or not known, simple math, simple stuff, easy to know stuff, a third grader can know this stuff, so what is the problem?
"Jeff doesn’t skip out on rent."
In a specific sense, so far, Jeff doesn't skip out on rent, a factual statement, so far.
Jeff is powerful enough to be in that fortunate position so far.
I suppose.
I see a different picture, and I can ask if Jeff ever borrowed any money from Caesar, the modern version of the money changers, and if Jeff ever worked, earned, and then use that earned power to purchase to pick up a thing Made in China.
If that exchange, documented fact, could be known, precisely, exactly, each step of the way, if such an understanding, precise, accurate, knowledgeable, the entire transaction, could be accountable as an inequitable transaction, whereby Jeff "made a killing" at the expense of another person living in China, perhaps a person his same age, but a person who, for now, is on the wrong end of the Legal Money Monopoly World Reserve Currency POWER stick.
What is rent?
It is exactly what Caesar says it is today and it can be exactly what Caesar says it is tomorrow, and tomorrow it might be opposite what it is today.
"Jeff doesn’t skip out on rent."
Words spoken during well earned good life, not necessarily a challenge of principles, and far from judgment day at the end of a human life in living form, sure, I get that, but we two are hunting dragons, and so for my part I am working an angle that has to do with false connections that we all might want to disconnect, if we can figure out ways to do so, without harming anyone.
The concept of rent may not mean the same thing from one individual to another - a point of contention?
"The mind is open to brainwashing during entertainment…so I have heard."
And if the loop closes, if the lie infects the individual, the dragon is inside, the Trojan horse is inside, and almost all hope may be lost at that point, because the individual may have to depend upon something outside, for help, in defeating that dragon, exposing the closed loop, and returning POWER to know better back to the individual.
The capacity for self-doubt, may be a required power, if the idea is to have the capacity to know better?
Action, on the other hand, requires a willful effort to apply power in a specific direction, so there has to be a balance between self-doubt, and determined effort.
This is way too long already, but a few things may need to be cleared up.
The T.V. was only off for a few, or 5, I can't remember, years, and then it has returned with mixed reviews.
My wife watches shows that I cannot stand, such as Dr. Phil. I end up watching some things, I can't stand, just to spend some time with my wife.
"How is it working for you?"
That is a question asked by Dr. Phil.
"The mind is open to brainwashing during entertainment…so I have heard."
If a lie takes hold, then willful action is external to the individual who is infected?
Note: Law documents record a human effort to discriminate accurately between premeditate crime and "crimes of passion".
What about the power of lies, who is responsible?
The liar is responsible for the lie.
The believer in the lie (not the liar, since the liar knows it is a lie) is responsible for whatever the "true believer" in the lie, does, as an individual, no different than a wild animal, lacking human reason, human conscience, human moral judgment, or "Common Sense", so not coincidentally, much human effort, including human spirituality, is focuses on accurate identification of facts so as to avoid injury by falsehood.
What happens when the Law, which must be an effort to accurately discriminate fact from fiction, becomes fiction?
Legal Fiction?
U.S.A. Inc. (LLC) (1788 to 2012)
A Responsible Entity?
False God?
"We have already spoken about how many times someone has to pay for their house before it actually belongs to them…she had already paid for her house as far as I can tell."
You may not have thought about all that mortgage loan stuff as much as I have, I've been closely associated with the Real Estate business now for almost a decade, and my Product 1 and Product 2 idea illustrates, through those devices, my current understanding, which is comprehensive.
That is the point of the challenge being offered to you, where you play the part of a customer, and then you play the part of a saleswomen, in a play acting, text version, of a Product 1 and Product 2 sale event, at a new Legal Bank where equitablists have taken over America.
If you have not read one of my sales pitch illustrations then you can read the one started in this thread between a fictitious John the customer, and Jane the salesperson.
The idea is to covey what I have learned up to this date, and to do so intact, without any miscommunication, and the idea further involves a promise of improvement as my own limited perspective can be sharpened by competitive, side by side, compassion with your perspective, as you play act either side in the Chess Match constructed in that way, where two people work out a banking transaction at a Legal Equitablist Bank.
"So Joe, the way I am seeing this is that you have been handing me puzzle pieces and I am finally able to identify them and put some together, but somehow, there is a foundation that I fail to apply those pieces upon…like competition...more more recently holding "things" responsible. I think I even wrote about competition in my gushing thank you
But somehow I have all of these truths but am not using them together."OK, my view on that, well, life is short, and you can't expect to make short cuts, and you are not a teenager with teenager capacity to learn new things, and life is short, and you have responsibilities of parenting, very high priority stuff, so forget about reaching ahead to far, all at once, and in my opinion you can step back, see how the new keys work, apply the Boyd strategy to many things, for example, Observe, Orient, Decide, and Act, and digest, and process, and above all, it seems to me, maintain that balance, that "pursuit of happiness", in this "animated contest of freedom", while it exists as it exists, and to me, what you will find, is improvement, because you find ways to improve, and you no longer settle for less, even if external things are overwhelming, at the very least you find how to slow down the injury, which is a relative improvement, and YOU control that which is in your power to control, because you are now, at least, taking on those responsibilities, those responses that you are able to act out in fact.
The "big picture" is built up over time as all the little pictures work out, over and over, again and again, in similar ways, this lie, you see, does that, you see, and this fact, you see, works this way, you see, and I'm telling you, it becomes very simple over time, you begin to see patterns, like learning how music works, you begin to see, oh yea, that works that way, and you see, as I now seeing, with your help, that this "big picture" stuff is all well documented in scripture, it is the same stuff, lies are bad, OK, common sense stuff, liars injure people, Wow!, who would have thought such things!, on and on.
Other people are infected, they need help, your initial response may be to defend against them, but that does not help anyone, so what happens, you learn?
You know better?
Of course today you don't know better, compared to tomorrow, God willing.
My mother is losing her capacity to know better, and we have a very Spiritually connected cousin, my wife's side of the family, who is almost, but not yet, a victim of cancer, and the stark comparison of how the person with a safe place is handling the end of life compared to the person who has no save place.
I think you know what I mean.
We are still here.
Knowing better is probably a good idea compared to settling for abject belief in falsehood without question.
One path goes one way, and the other path goes the opposite way.
What inspires a person to choose one way over the other way?
You have your spiritual base of operations.
I have my power perspective.
I am able to know better because your spiritual base of operations reinforces my power perspective in many ways right now, and I may learn of many more ways in the future, ways that are still hidden from me right now.
So...discussion is a two way, equitable, street, or path.
Is it parallel?
"I know those payday loan places are fraudulent. But if I go there and I agree to something, shouldn’t I follow thru with what I agreed to? Isn’t that my word? Would it be deceit to agree and then renege?"
The rules that are enforced are specific, not ambiguous, and not subject to negotiation in case of default.
What if you return to the lender and you subtract the loss you suffer due to inflation?
What if the lender sells the loan but does not maintain legal chain of title and the new owner of the loan is no longer a legal owner of the loan according to the contract rules that are enforced?
What if a competitor was allowed to offer you a loan at less cost to you?
What if a competitor was allowed to pay you to borrow money because your use of the money was worth the risk according to the competitor since the competitor benefits indirectly by your industrious use of the power to purchase loaned to you?
When you question the right of you doing the right thing among the thieves who construct these ongoing crimes made legal, that is what you do, but my point is to point out how things WILL work if you avoid the criminals completely.
There are, also, to be considered, three groups, not just two, as follows:
1.
Willful criminals who know that the lies they employ are lies.
2.
Victims of lies that don't know that the lies they are victim to are lies.
3.
Equitablists, or Friends of Liberty, and God's Children, and whoever else, who are moral people, who do not use, and who are not subject to, lies, threats, and violence as a means of gaining power from the targeted, and innocent, victims.
I'm not saying everyone is either/or 1,2,3, and nothing else, I'm saying that two goals, generally, are accomplished by people as they step into those roles listed above:
1. Productive and Life Sustaining
Use scarce power to make power abundant
2. Destructive and Life Ending
Use scarce power to take power from other people and use the stolen power to steal more
If you premeditatingly employ, or employ as a "true believer" in lies, (1 and 2) crime (lies, threats, violence upon the innocent), if you are a criminal in FACT, then you destroy life, in FACT, and there are easy, accurate, undeniable, methods by which those FACTS can be measured, as the bodies pile up, for one example.
If you do not resort to crime, what happens?
Two other points:
1.
Do not abandon victims to be further victimized by criminals.
2.
Do not punish innocent people because that is, in fACT, crime.
So, yea, things are complicated, the Big Picture is elusive, and there are a whole lot of people who are either willfully perpetrating crimes or are following criminal orders without question, and there has to be, mathematically, a whole lot more victims than there are criminals, since someone actually does have to produce something worth stealing or there isn't anything worth stealing for those criminals who choose that path.
"I find that Jeff doesn’t want to hear what I have to say or maybe cannot bear it and then it seems shortly thereafter he is talking about it or bringing up concepts as I talk about something else."
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+8&versi...
"Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not."
To me those words in Proverbs 8 are instructions. The messenger is irrelevant, to me, what are the instructions, and if the instructions are followed, what happens?
"They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge."
To me that means that people WILL figure it out, it is the way we are built, it is the way we are created, we are created with the capacity to know better, so there is hope in that, get on that path, follow that instruction, and what happens along that way will happen.
Take a wrong turn, figure it out, stop digging the hole that goes to hell.
Stop providing the means by which we suffer, and I didn't say that, exactly, I'm just another messenger boy.
Author:
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm
"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."
Perhaps, even that is not the best instruction available, since government can be, if people make it, voluntary, and not a lesser evil at all.
I don't know, but I think it is worth finding out if it can be made true in FACT.
"The difficult thing is that the lies have been going on for so long it is hard to know what is true anymore."
I think the instruction in Proverbs 8 says "Start looking".
It does not say: "This is easy."
I say this is easy sometimes. I'm often wrong.
"The reason Christians and Jews do things is to be because of heart that loves God."
The genuine Christians and Jews, not the counterfeit versions?
1.
Willful criminals
2.
Dupes who are misdirected and fooled into being criminals while they think they are doing good things.
3.
Those who know that deceit, threats, and violence employed to gain at the expense of innocent victims is wrong, not right, and therefore to be avoided, at least, and at best DO NOT abandon innocent victims and DO NOT punish innocent people, or, at best, do no harm, by willful action, or by willful inaction?
I get these wild ideas sometimes, like having a set of cards handy, and on these cards are blown up graphic pictures of innocent people being tortured and murdered, in your face stuff, so that anyone who begins to challenge my viewpoint, when entering a political economy type discussion, they begin to challenge may authority, "where I am coming from", I have those signs ready.
Sure, I can say, I may be blowing thing out of all proportion.
I may be raising my voice.
I may be getting all worked up over nothing.
Sure, I get that, sure, but what about this, and this, and this, and this, and might it be a good idea for someone to give a damn once in a long while, someone who isn't going to be fooled into thinking that those people in those pictures deserved to be tortured by you and by me as we financed those horrible and torturous deaths, huh, so long as we are all up on our high horses of pretentious authority and all?
OH, Joe, just calm down, we all know you have issues, and you have concerns, and bla, bla, bla, but...
But, you know Joe, the Mexicans are stealing our Jobs, and you know, those Terrorists have to be fought over there so we don't have to fight them over here, and you know, Joe, war is good for the economy after all, and those Democrats are Socialists, and everyone has to do their fair share with these Tax Liabilities, except us, of course, but don't get caught, of course.
I'm fed up.
I exude such a thing as being fed up.
Decades as the guy who aught to be avoided, the guy with "issues".
"Oh, you are one of THOSE guys!"
So, yea, it isn't easy.
"Why does someone have to pay for a real estate license?"
Union dues.
It is a form of insurance, or bonding, but the idea isn't to nurture competition, the idea is to create an insurance policy against competition.
The money goes to finance our own suffering, it fits the pattern, and eventually you will be able to recognize the patterns easily.
Getting someone else to see it, well, I've been at it for decades, and you exemplify the full measure of my successes, such as is IS to date.
I can be wrong, of course, but the bodies are piling up, as we type, and the money trail has us in the loop - without prejudice.
—
Joe