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http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2741992 :
In post: July 4th 2013 Liberty Day Challenge
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Economic Information Revolution
Submitted by Josf on Sat, 09/15/2012 - 13:08. Permalink
"bear: Oh, you mean books don’t have to come from the store anymore! How exciting! Very competitive indeed! Bear is learning all kinds of things from this free book! You are very smart Joe!"
How interesting is it to find out that marketing can include such things as dumping?
Not only can someone be greedy, a Scrooge, supposedly evil incarnate, by miserly practices of always making sure that the soiled end of the stick is handled by other people, and not only are there generous charitable people who give away everything to other people, supposedly copies of Jesus Himself, but there are people who give things so as to then take things and there are people who take things so as to give things, and in the middle is equity?
Modern day information transfer is nothing short of a revolution and in order to compete there are inventions that include free, or no monetary price, information packets available everywhere on these terminals we call Lap Tops, Cell Phones, Personal Computers, I-Pads, and many other names for basically the same thing: terminals.
Individual connecting points, or terminals, connecting to one homogenous medium of exchange and here you may want to know a thing or two about Electricity and the concept of how electricity finds the path of least resistance.
If violent people require falsehood and false people require censorship and targets for victimization require accurate information concerning their impending injury then how does that information manage to travel from one potential victim to another through a medium of exchange whereby there is the least resistance resisting the free flow of that vital information?
I have cases in point, and so do you, and we can compare these medium of exchanges, how they were produced, why they were produced, how they became corrupted and abused, and the capacity these inventions presented mankind in linking one to another for good or bad.
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Books
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Television
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Internet
Person A desires to murder or enslave Person B, while Person C desires to inform Person B of that impending doom.
Person B is busy in the pursuit of happiness while avoiding any resort to deceit, threats of violence, or violence upon other people, so categories can be as such:
Person A is a Criminal
Person B is an innocent person (innocent of crime so named)
Person C is informed about crime and generous or honest or merely talkative a blabbermouth or the town crier, or a Modern Day Paul Revere, a whistle blower, informer, news outlet, author, writer, sign maker, inventor, producer, and maintainer of vital questions and competitive answers, intending to connect the information about criminals to each current or potential victim, just in case the victims may want to travel past all the resistance and just in case the victims may want to find out in time that information, so as to have the time, and the resources, to avoid being victims.
So accurate, informative, useful, productive, defensive, information, where the information can empower the victims with the power required to avoid being victims WILL weaken criminals and raise the costs of doing crime and lower the benefits of doing crime on the criminals scale of cost over benefit.
So criminals place road blocks in between the information and the victims as the criminals invent, produce, and maintain these costly investments, whereby they are faced with that very unfortunate consequence of the Law of Diminishing Returns, as each victim connects to the powerful information that allows them to avoid being victims RAISES the need to find more victims, and to squeeze more value out of each victim, so as to invent, produce, and maintain more road blocks that keep the victims in the dark.
Books, like the Bible, connected The Word with people who were powerful enough to read The Word, so criminals had to invent ways to censor The Word, or their way of life would run out of victims rapidly, and their way of life would starve out the number of criminals, as the costs of living for criminals increase beyond a sustainable level, and as the benefits for crime dry up along with the ready supply of ready victims.
History books, written by Inquisition Victors, Pogrom Victors, Crusade Victors, and other Winners of massive expenditures of POWER aimed at massive torture and massive slaughter, throughout the history that has become common knowledge among the recent past and current generations of mankind.
A person capable of reading The Bible, and The Word, may be powerful enough to accurately discriminate the difference between information that benefits the criminals and information that benefits the victims including the true meaning of such things as The Inquisition, The Crusades, and World War II.
Burning witches, for example, and extracting confessions through torture, may have worked well for the criminals at the expense of the victims for a time that lasted too long, but no such False Front can be repeated in Modern Times.
Seriously?
Is there a book, available to anyone who may want to know, sold at cost, where the author warns the potential victims of a new adaptation of The Inquisition, in Modern Times, whereby the criminals have again taken over the sources of POWER and are again on the March, torturing and burning people for fun and profit?
Common Sense?
76 Pages that include such things as this:
"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."
What if a few people, or just two people, manage to combine their disconnected studies of divergent information, one being a spiritual education, and the other being a political economy education, and it becomes obvious, at least to these two individuals, that government does not have to be evil at all, and therefore this information, if it is true, can empower the current victims, and the potential victims with the defensive power that can enable honest productive people to be able to afford life on Earth for a little wile longer, if not for eternity?
What is that called?
Ravings of conspiracy theory combined with bible thumping Jesus freakishness?
Heaven Forbid!
We two may not be as alone as I may think, and my guess is that you have similarly experienced crushing despair in the face of what may first appear to be insurmountable opposition to the truth.
How much does one person give up in the effort to transfer vital questions and accurate answers to fellow Friends of Liberty and is the cost benefit analysis profitable for that individual?
How is profit measured?
If someone knocks on the door, someone soliciting a connection, and the messenger intends to connect the person behind the door with The Word of God, does the messenger encounter resistance, and is there a way that the message can find the path of least resistance, around the door, and can the message find the eager listeners, those who are desperate for vital questions and accurate answers?
Is there bad things coming?
Can those bad things be avoided?
Pay more and don't question the payments?
"You were having such an nice conversation with willl over there in that Goode post. What happened? Did you hurt his feelings by calling him a dictator? Joe, he seemed like he was learning. He accepted your premise about the consolidation of power in a single day practically. I took me months before I was able to stomach it."
Will encountered my "if the shoe fits" routine. You know how that works, don't you? He may have tried on the shoe, and he may have found that the shoe cannot fit him, or her, and so such things are a waste of time.
What if the shoe fitting resulted in a well fitting shoe, like Cinderella?
I don't know, but I notice how you set the standard as to how discussions can work with me. Why has our discussion managed to bear fruit, and the discussion with Will was lacking the will to continue?
I don't know, one of us isn't confessing?
" I took me months before I was able to stomach it. Remember who I thought I was talking to? I even asked you if you were the “C” word."
I took that as you asking me to try on the Communist shoes, and I have to ask, real Communists like Lenin, or counterfeit Communists like Hippies in the 60s?
Which shoe, exactly, do you want me to see if the shoe fits?
I have a long way to go before I order the legal deaths of 20, or 200, Million people, for fun and profit. I prefer not to start down that road of Communism. I prefer to warn people about how far down that road we are already progressing.
I prefer to warn people about how the Dirty Compromise in 1788 was a huge step down the road that can be called Communism, even before Lenin or Marx coined the word Communism.
"Why did your conversation end so soon with willl? Because he had “respectful,” and yes he did use that word, disagreements? Maybe he just didn’t understand yet and needed to talk more. Didn’t you like talking to him?"
Will laid it out, it seems to me, without reservation, which is a whole lot more than many people do, and so I am grateful for such generosity of spirit, that is The Spirit of Liberty, it seems to me.
I just happen to think that Will is suffering from a closed loop involving a false principle concerning how power works in our human condition. Authority of Man upon Man is a lie, so why believe it? I'd like to know, but then that door was shut?
Chalk it up to irreconcilable differences, or semantics, depending upon want is is?
Man upon Man is confused with Man for Mankind? One can be confused with the other when language becomes deceptive?
Can language become deceptive or do people use tools to reach the goal of deception?
How can deception be measured?
How about an exemplary sentence, to be measured for deception?
Authority of Man upon Man is a lie, so why believe it?
Is that sentence deceptive? Does that sentence confess my goal of seeking deception?
"I also thought you were having an equitable conversation with ajnock until he had trouble with fiat currency, but I think he turned around abit on that."
Again, a few days ago, I'm talking with my wife, heading up to Las Vegas, to spend some time with our niece the nurse, time spend under the Aluminum Overcast, and on the way I tell my wife about the Standard being set on "how to" discuss with me. You set that Standard. This bear person, a she, and my wife is normally very suspicious about her husbands motives, even after 25 years of honest faithfulness, but in this there isn't even a hint of jealously, for some reason, possibly because there isn't any reason to be jealous, because discussions with me can be so difficult, special, but difficult, and better for everyone involved, when a Standard is being set, and set very high, as the conversation goes, my wife and I, as I inform my wife, about this Standard of discussion, now documented on this forum - in book form.
Again, I tell my wife, yesterday, how this is working out, and is it coincidence?
I don't know.
I've had the book idea, telling my wife, for some time now. I call the book Liberty for Kids. I say, other people discuss the topic, and occasionally I find someone, and I ask them to ask me questions, you know, I say, questions I ask myself all the time, I do this all the time, this is what I do, all the time, I say to my brother, for example, who appears to be waking up, and then that stops, no more questions being asked, and so the book sits, and is not written, I don't know how to do this alone, like playing chess alone, it is a closed loop, and then Bear shows up out of the blue.
What do you call that: coincidence?
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"I also thought you were having an equitable conversation with ajnock until he had trouble with fiat currency, but I think he turned around abit on that. People are not used to speaking your language. You know your words to mean what you know they mean, but most people hear the words and think of the counterfeited meaning. Isn’t it just possible to explain and teach to establish Friends IN Liberty? Maybe Friends of Liberty misunderstand and need to understand. Maybe they do not know they misunderstand."
Gold bugs? What is the meaning of that? Gold is fine, very good, but very expensive money, when adding up the costs associated with crime prevention, as it may not be a good idea to carry around pockets full of Gold in crime infested waters, advertizing the fact that, hey, look here, I'm ripe for the plucking, having, and holding large amounts of very launderable money.
Cash.
Real cash, if not the stuff needed for Tax Liabilities.
So the competition is really bad, you know, that fraudulent stuff used by very bad criminals who steal the law power, and then make it crime to use any other money.
Really bad things, those paper dollars, bad, bad, evil, evil, paper, the scourge of the earth, that paper, that, that, worthless, worthless paper?
So what is it, exactly, since I'm receiving mixed messages here, either the paper is worthless or it is evil and it can't be both can it?
Can it be worth less and be so powerful as to consume every scrap of extra value including the nails that nail down anything the can be nailed down?
I don't know, but I can ask the question, and find the accurate answers, such as the offering offered by Stephen Pearl Andrews in his essay that he thought or wrote, was "of interest to Gold Bugs", you know, the concept of a 3 sided fence.
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http://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/labadie/2916966.0001.001/2?rgn=f...
I was once more desperate to gain the ears of Conservative Republican Austrian Economists Gold Bug types, to get their angle of view clear in my mind, concerning information such as the above, which is based upon the work done by Josiah Warren in Equitable Commerce, but after so many decades of seeking this information, and coming up very short, it occurs to me that such things are trade secrets, keep secret, for fun and profit?
In the absence of confessions I am left with guess, and my own research, finding Menger and Rothbard, which was a Topic plopped onto the discussion table, here in this forum.
Splat, like a tortured human body wet with blood, sweat, and tears?
Or more like the splattering sound that might be heard when a Tar Baby is served up at the otherwise very attractive dinner on the dinner table?
Where are all my workers, employees, and the like, when good help is so hard to find - at a discount?
"It says to some it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to others it is not."
Here again the concept of closing doors quickly when Bible Thumpers appear on the threshold of the Kingdom, what happened to sanctuary?
How was it purchased, and who is handed the bill, to be paid without question?
Based upon as much as I can gather from your words there is little to disbelieve, mere common sense, reinforcements concerning ideas and concepts that are plagued with doubt and uncertainty, given the weight of the consequences for failing to know better.
As to the demarcation lines, well drawn, there is still room for equitable transfers of reinforcing information, despite the confidence in current belief, in my case, I just don't know, for example that this person named Jesus died for me. I just don't know that fact, if it is a fact, and we can call it belief, and how does that work in English, in other words?
"It says to some it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to others it is not."
OK.
Makes sense to me.
I don't HAVE, as in possession, a need to disbelieve that God can sacrifice his only begotten son for me, and my sins, while, currently, I see no such thing even being possible.
Would you be jealous if Jesus has a private conversation with me, before he pencils you in on his busy schedule?
Not me, but I'm not the type to slam the door in HIS face either.
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And also Luke 8: 12 Those by the way side are they that hear ; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved .
And in that verse the devil take the word so that they cannot believe.
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I make sense of that, even past my line in the sand concerning someone else being held to account on my account, and what makes sense here, to me, is that Fear of God being written in 8, which is still not well understood by me, not enough understood to rattle it off in current writing.
I have to check the words again, and I can do that now, trying to connect the dots, again.
"The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate."
And now:
"Luke 8: 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved."
To me, being so far incapable of accepting all the Words in the word (drawing the line in at least one place), the above makes sense in that The Word is (indirectly or directly) Hate Evil.
The Word = Hate Evil (English symbols, not Ancient Hebrew)
Take that away, not he symbols, but take away whatever IS hating evil, and what happens?
They, meaning human beings, will fail to know better, and Evil will Consume them? They will consume themselves?
Human Power will be used to destroy all life on Earth?
And such things, being Evil, and such things being deceptive, can be the False Front of Global Warming hiding the fact that productive people are providing the means by we suffer having Aluminum and Barium sprayed into the atmosphere causing Global Warming so that the few most powerful among us can inspire us to pay them even more of the stuff that provides the means by which we suffer?
Tax payments of aluminum cans? That explains why the least powerful among us are hanging out by the trash cans, collecting aluminum, so as to have it moved from the trash back into the circuit where the aluminum can then be sprayed over our heads?
If people can get one plant, a tomato plant, and farm it well enough, seeds can then be used to make more tomato plants, and then more, and then more, and that is too much power in the hands of just anyone, so let's send the authorities enough provisions to take the power of farming away from all those terrorists daring to grow their own food, and then, having only ONE licensed tomato seed producer, the price of a tomato seed can be jacked up to whatever a starving person is willing to do to get a meal, including hanging around garbage cans looking for aluminum cans?
Where is the door I can slam on that information?
Were are my ear plugs, my muzzle, and my blinders, when I need them so desperately, and now they don't even work, anymore, since they are Made in China and sold at WalMart?
Isn't it Football season?
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http://www.youtube.com/user/StormCloudsGathering
http://naturalrightsfoundation.org/
"Will you see what you think of the video..less than 15 minutes."
I am inspired by the video to go to the web page and submit articles for publication. I can write one up on my angle of view concerning the schedule where Americans are the losers, on purpose, so as to move World Reserve Currency POWER to Asia.
I have chores to do today, but I can work that angle soon.
" Last week you talked to me about what does the message instill within…well as you can see, the message instilled many things, but left me wondering about the source of the message and when the 3 stages were being discussed the music changed and made me afraid. So I am asking you, what does this message mean? Can you add a little bit about it to your book?"
I think there is a serious error in failing to know that the current government is counterfeit, or crime made legal, and therefore the concept of defense against crime is falsely viewed as being morally wrong, as morality and legality are confused by that bait and switch routine.
The Rebels in 1776, for example, were genuine agents of good government, when they avoided resort to deceit upon the innocent, and when they avoided resort to threats of violence upon the innocent, and when they avoided resort to violence upon the innocent.
That is very well recorded in many ways, such as the following quote:
“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” Sam Adams
How does that stack up to this:
"Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpPABLW6F_A
Friends of Liberty, seeking to work toward being, and remaining, Friends IN Liberty (borrowed from Bear) do not resort to crime as a means of anything.
Government didn't do it.
The Gun didn't do it.
So I have that criticism of the inspiring video, if someone is inspired to confuse good government with crime made legal.
One is the opposite of the other, and confusing the two IS THE PROBLEM.
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Bear,
I have to get work done. I stopped the Tom Woods video on a very good suggestion by Tom Woods and we can play along. I will hit this ball back in your side of the court and ask you to offer the Top 10 Questions that will not be asked during the Election Debates (which I won't be watching without a representative of Liberty allowed into the "debates") and then when I get more free time (ha, ha) I will offer my Top 10 Questions That will be censored from History, or whatever title works best for these Top 10 Questions.
I will have my Top 10 done before returning, and then we can compare notes, to see which questions are more competitive, and why.
If you are inspired to consume your scarce power in this specific way - of course.
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Joe
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