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Please read his post,Bigmike is a nice guy and made the effort to try and help you with your post as he does with everyone here. If you take the time to read it and comprehend what he is saying you were not censored.The spam filter here catches certain keywords.This cannot be helped.But over time as a member it "learns" that your links can be trusted. He was trying to help and you accused him off censorship without basis.Read it again.
My response:
Who is not reading? How about an accurate measure of that accusation?
I tried posting two days ago. The screen went white.
I tried posting one day ago. The screen went white for an hour.
I kept an eye on the forum, and my Topic never appeared, as far as I saw.
I figured there was a program working that had something to do with all the text, too much text, in our sound bite world.
I made a test post today, and during that test post, I changed the Topic title from "Problems Posting" to the Topic Title that has to do with Liberty. I then cut and pasted some of the text, to see if it was too much text.
In that brief time period the messages I published had messages I didn't write placed into them. I read those messages, and a Spam Filter makes sense.
I run my own forum.
What did I not read, according to you? Please be specific as to my wrongdoing. Please.
Who accused anyone of censorship? Who accused someone of censorship? Show me, please.
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If so then the link may be why the spam filter stopped your whole posts. It has happened to me many times in the past. The spam filter here is not perfect and catches legitimate postings by accident all the time. I am sure if you respectfully go to the "mod box" and ask for a review of your post and link and they are very nice about it and will release it so that it will post. Now if it was not in the best interest of the movement here then that is another story,Remember just like your forum it is private property. I also have a forum and respect this.
You did indeed imply censorship.
My response:
Communication is not Dictatorship
What gives you the power to dictate to me what my words mean to me?
Show me where, according to you, my words imply what you say my words imply. If my words imply what you say that my words imply, then I can admit such error, and I can retract that errant publication on my part.
Otherwise, as far as I am aware, I did not publish words that implied censorship.
Communication involves a writer and a reader, and often there is error involved in the process.
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You started your post with a defensive front implying that you expected the possibility of being censored by this site. "I am not new to forums, and I will play nice, but the things I publish on forums are routinely censored, and therefore I routinely back up my work on my own forum, so as to keep the record straight on exactly what is being censored." This was before you even understood the site or gave it a chance.Having trouble posting? ask about it before you take a defensive stance against censorship.
Then your self defeatist statement "For how long will I be welcome here, I don't know." leads readers to think you could possibly do something you expect to get banned for. This would only happen if you caused trouble.
In both statements you have prejudged the site and the community here. Welcome to one of the most free speaking liberty forums on the net. To get removed from here would take a whole lot of effort at having absolutely no common sense.
— Why is everyone racing each other to a stop light?
Why is everyone holding their bladder across 40 miles of empty desolate desert just to stop and pee in my driveway?
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My response:
Facts, error, omission, or what, according to whom?
I did not imply that I expect censorship, why would I resort to implication? I experience censorship regularly. That is a fact. I also expect that the Sun will come up one more time.
How is it that my words communicate to you that I am not giving this site a chance? My censorship has to do with individual people making an individual decision to censor me. A site is stored text on a hard drive hooked up to a network. Why do you see things the way you see them? I don't see things that way. How does your viewpoint become mine?
A byproduct of having experienced censorship is the idea that I can defend against it. I may be wrong, but there is a similar action going on right here, as Spam attacks the forum producer, or operator, and he defends against it. Not all things that look like Spam turn out to be Spam, but a defense against Spam was the natural reaction to being Spammed. What is the natural reaction to being censored?
When you see my statement of fact as "self defeatist", I am again going to point out that you have your way of seeing things, and I have my way of seeing things, and there isn't much in common, so, naturally, I ask: How is it that your way of seeing things somehow becomes THE way of seeing things - somehow - if that is what you are telling me. Are you telling me that my statements of fact are "self defeatist", in fact?
There was a time, not too long ago, where discussion was a means by which two competitive viewpoints could be shared so as to pick out all the bad stuff, and keep all the good stuff, according to whomever has an interest in such things.
What are we doing now?
As to the actual reasons given for my banishment from other forums, I have records of that, and I've been banished for less than this, that we are doing, right here, which was labeled as me causing a flame war. This here, is more of a flame war, compared to what I've been banished for in the past.
I do not expect that this that we are doing here will be blamed on me, by the person who has the power to banish me, but I've been wrong before. The reason I don't think that I will be banished for this here, this which someone could say is a case of me causing a flame war, the reason I don't thing that will happen is such that I have not yet even begun to challenge anyone on their cherished beliefs in things that are patented absurdities. Once a chord is struck, then the wheels begin to turn, and then banishment, if history repeats, is the inevitable result.
You can go on with your version of the way things go, and you can claim that I will write something that causes trouble, and that I will write something that defeats myself, but what do you call that, if what I write isn't aggressive, isn't false, isn't inaccurate, isn't unkind, isn't attacking any person personally, or isn't anything other than a competitive viewpoint? Are you suggesting that you have a script from which I can read, and then repeat, so as to avoid my own self defeated eventual end here? Seriously?
You are going to provide a list of things that I can't say, because such things that said my be will cause trouble, and I can therefore avoid such trouble, since only you have that moral capacity to know the difference between what I can say that will cause trouble, and defeat myself, and unlike you, I have no such capacity?
You wrote:
"In both statements you have prejudged the site and the community here."
Here is where I have developed the defensive capacity to ask for evidence proving the case. Which statements made by me constitute such wrong doing? Where are these words that have prejudged this site and this community here?
If the accusation is true, then it follows that there is proof of such a thing having happened.
You wrote:
"Welcome to one of the most free speaking liberty forums on the net. To get removed from here would take a whole lot of effort at having absolutely no common sense."
You, apparently, count yourself up as one of the most free speaking people, and if I am censored, eventually, it follows, according to you, that it will be because I deserve it.
I get that, it is routine.
What exactly was the cause of my censorship? How can you know? What exactly constitutes, in your mind, a case of me prejudging this site and the community here; where are those two statements in question? What exactly are you claiming? What was published by me, in fact, as to cause your viewpoint to be your viewpoint?
I'd like to know, so as to move on. I am trying to link a page I found on this site, where someone has linked all the Polls where Ron Paul is winning. I am trying to mirror that list of Polls on my own Forum. But I keep having to come back here to deal with these accusations of my wrongdoing, so as to defend myself.