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 Posted: Fri Nov 4th, 2011 11:45 am
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Joe Kelley

 

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Today is 11-04-2011

Liberty Day is not today for many.

In response to the idea that those who protest Wall Street should protest government instead.

From the Left

That is opinion telecast as NEWS on a web site that is connected to left leaning people and the message is pro-government in some way. I can offer a unique additional opinion on that message since I've worked for 6 months, more or less, communicating on that Real News Network Forum as a means of communicating back to those people.

My unique perspective can be easily measured as unique in many ways including the way I see people who refuse to listen, as people desire, produce, and maintain one-way communication.

The Real News Network people (who are pro-government, left leaning, or lean toward socialism) never returned any words addressing me personally as I continued to produce daily commentary on their Forum for 6 months. I was producing responses to the one-way communications offered by the people running The Real News Network, on their own web site - for 6 months.

They shut the forum down, and they erased 6 months of my work. That is their response to my work. That is a fact, and I documented it, as this has happened many times before, as I, in my unique way, offer responses to one-way communications.

Here is the link to some of my efforts to record my work, as I cut and pasted my responses from The Real News Network, as a practice of backing up all my work, knowing that someone may wish to erase all my work:

Real News Network Forum responses

Our culture is dictatorial in practice. A person, or a person speaking as a representative of a group of like minded people, will dictate messages, and the man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest, as a one-way form of communication.

Here is the definition of Dictation:

Arbitrary command

Those left leaning dictators, those people who desire, produce, and maintain arbitrary commands do not want to hear a peep out of those who are targeted to receive those arbitrary commands, yet those left leaning people claim that their arbitrary commands are good for everyone.

How do they know, if they refuse to ask, and then listen to the people they target with their arbitrary commands?

We live in a dictatorial culture, and that is a fact, but I am open to entertain any evidence that can show otherwise - I will listen. There are exceptions to the rule.

Some people listen, and the even listen to those words that they do not want to hear.

The left leaning voices offer solutions to problems that assume a dictatorial imperative, as if there are no other options.

Dictatorial cultures are monopolistic, there are no other options, there is only one option, the assumed, single, non-choice, is a dictatorial culture, whereby obedience is rewarded and disobedience is punished.

Who has control of the power to punish?

The Real News Network had the power to remove their forum once one of the voluntary forum contributors disobeyed the dictatorial culture imperative.

Who has the power to torture - legally?

Who has the power to steal - legally?

The left leaning people, within the assumed imperative of a dictatorial culture, say, falsely, that The People, or democracy, is the power behind the punishment routine. They are misinformed, and they will not listen to any external voice offering evidence that proves the true facts, beyond any shadow of doubt. They prefer to prove their points by being that which they say is true, they punish, withing their power to punish, they censor, they exclude, they desire, and they produce, and they maintain dictatorial connections between people. They prove their point, as people, as they dictate, and as they refuse two-way communication, and as they refuse to access the power of discussion. They refuse competition of ideas, they desire, produce, and maintain one idea: dictation.

Blind obedience.

Abject or arbitrary command.

When faced with the facts, of how dictatorial cultures work, they decide to protest, as if their voices matter, as if they have the power to punish, as if they, The People, are in command of the arbitrary use of government power.

How stupid can people get? They actually say that they will command this dictatorial power benevolently, so as to use this arbitrary, one-way, dictatorial force for good.

They lie, as they must know, as the rubber bullets fly, or the lead bullets penetrate, that the truth is Real, and it isn't News.

The error is basic, the truth is hidden, and it is hidden on purpose, the true desire is to command power over other people, instead of a desire for power over one's own self.

The error leads to misplaced power along with all the criminal abuse of power, as some people are led to believe in the lie and some people actually think that dictatorial power can be beneficial to all, or benevolent, and not borne by a number of hapless, powerless, victims.

That is a demonstrable lie, but to demonstrate the lie to the "true believers" the fooled, and the fooling, would have to listen to the victims, and they would then have to acknowledge what the victims report to those who are fooled, and to those who do the fooling.

A case in point is provided by the first offering by William Black in the video message telecast through the link on the top of the page. William Black offers a message that assumes a lie concerning the true nature of "our" government, and therefore the solutions to  the current problems can be understood to be results from that initial error.

To solve the problems Bill Black says that our government (his) should (if he has anything to say about it) create productive work for people who want to work as a last resort for the unemployed.

Taken to the logical, true, conclusion, while knowing the true nature of his government, each unemployed person will be hired to kill each other unemployed person, and that amounts to productive work, as the problem of unemployment soon ends, if the workers produce what they are hired to produce.

Bill Black, and anyone on the left, will refuse to know that truth. Try asking one to entertain the thought process that uncovers that truth and see what you get, and then we can share notes, as we discuss the facts voluntarily - as we prove the exceptions to the rules enforced in a dictatorial culture.

Yea, right, a cold day in hell.

Anyway, there is, fortunately, other things offered by Bill Black in his 3 point effort to solve the problems caused by the problem, and here is the second one:

Stop the foreclosures

This may be too many words to reach almost everyone, but almost everyone isn't listening in a dictatorial culture, so I'm going to increase the word count by leaving the foreclosure business behind, long enough to address the concept of "jobs" better.

Bill Black's government takes taxes from people. That is done or else, and that is the mistake from which the dictatorial culture is founded, and build upon, and becomes what it is currently. Pay taxes or else, and the or else isn't an option, in one way, or another, taxes will be paid. That is the mistake. The good feelings about what Bill Black says, about his government, are lies, because they are not true, because it can't work, it cannot work to create a problem, and then it can't work to say that the problem you create can be solved by applying more of the problem. Take a pair of tweezers and pull off some skin, anywhere, get the tweezers, grab some skin, and pull off some skin.

Now you have a problem. Blood is flowing where the tweezers pulled off skin.

What is the solution?

Pull off more skin with the tweezers.

That is the solution to the unemployment problem according to Bill Black. Why is that the solution? Bill is employed. He isn't pulling skin off of himself. If Bill pulled skin off of himself, he would have blood coming out of his own hide. Would he then have the same solution, pull more skin off of himself? Eventually Bill Black would realize the error, or die from it, as he continues to use the cause of the problem as a solution to the problem.

Why does his message appeal to so many people who lean to the left?

The answer is duplicity. People think two opposite things exist at once, as if two cars can collide head-on and pass through each other unharmed, or as if a person can stand up and sit down at the same time. The duplicitous concept operating in this case is such that the "true believer", in democracy, believes that we are involved in a voluntary association while they believe that it must be an involuntary association.

Ask one a simple question and see what answers are offered, if anyone answers, and if the answer is honest and accurate. Good luck.

The question is:

Do you support involuntary taxes?

I have asked, and my audience was captive, in a sense, as I ran for congress, and the answer was honest, and the answer was accurate, and the answer is: yes.

That is the true answer. In this culture, where duplicity is rewarded, and where honesty, and accuracy is punished, where dictatorship is nurtured, taxes are involuntary. You pay. That is the fact. That is not an option. That is the fact.

You pay, and everyone, to the man, and to the woman, support it.

There are exceptions to almost every rule - even gravity (perhaps).

Perhaps even death.

But in practical terms, we live in a place, and a time, still, where it is legal for some people to steal from other people, so long as the practice is called: taxes.

What sounds good about what Bill Black says is the parts where it sounds like everyone is happy to contribute to this method of solving the problem, and there are no victims, there aren't any dissenters, objectors, evaders, or protestors who do not agree with the involuntary tax method.

If all things were voluntary then the solution works, and that is why it sounds so good, so long as the listener is capable of that specific duplicity, whereby the idea sounds good because it is voluntary, and it keeps sounding good despite the fact that it has nothing to do with anything voluntary.

It sound great because it is voluntary, while it is categorically not voluntary - demonstrably not voluntary.

It sounds good to use the contributions of many voluntary contributors in the work of hiring people to do productive work, to hire people to hire people with that voluntary contribution of collected earnings of productivity.

I agree. I can see that working very well. I can see it working so well that more people are encouraged to add to that voluntary contribution of collected earnings of productive work, because it sounds a lot like many things that are already working in that way. Insurance works that way, when it is not corrupted by bad people who force people to pay into it, despite all evidence that forcing people into it makes it no longer work, despite all the protests against it, it is still forced upon the people who become victims of  it.  Insurance can work, does work, when it is voluntary, so it also sounds good, because it can work, voluntarily. Church collections of productive earnings work well too, when they are voluntary. When a church turns into an involuntary association, by definition, there are victims made by that turn of unfortunate events. If I told you that you had to join my church or burn in hell, and you believed me, not likely, it is not likely that I would say such a thing, and it is as unlikely that you would believe me, then, as a result of your belief in my lie, "our" church would be involuntary.

Do not get me wrong here, I am not a capitalist dogmatist, and I have as much to say about the right leaning culture of duplicity, and blind obedience to abject servitude, as I do here commenting on the left leaning fools, and those who do the fooling.

On to ending foreclosure:

Bill Black speaks of a power struggle between the individual who has no power, and a State government that hasn't enough power, and then one power that has enough power to fix this foreclosure problem. Again there is the initial lie, the creation of a specific fraud, and again that fraud is claimed to be the solution to the problem it creates. That fraud is the concept of involuntary taxes paid to one legal group of people by all the people connected to that one fraud; and it is called a Monopoly, and it is called a Dictatorship, and it is called a Nation State, and it is called anything but what it is when it is used as a tool to make crime legal.

If an individual had legal power, which is not the case in this Nation State, then an individual could opt out of the National Tax, and that is why a Democratic Federated Republican form of government is designed to separate the Federal government from the individual people, as each Separate and Sovereign Legal State government compete with each other to earn the trust, and the productive earnings (taxes) of the individuals.

If one State within the Democratic Federated Republican form of government becomes criminal what happens to the victims?

They move to another State, where the State isn't run by criminals. That is how that does work, and has worked, in a working Democratic Federated Republican form of government, and I can offer as an example of that working, in that way, by pointing the reader to events that became known as Shays's Rebellion.

Here:

Shays's Rebellion

I know, more reading, but someone has specialized in figuring these things out, and in order to do so, over time, reading is done. I read that, and I've read a pile of books, and after awhile the pieces do fit together. You cannot solve a problem by increasing the power of the cause of the problem. You can't fix the problem of running out of victims to torture by torturing everyone to death. There will only be you left, and once you have tortured yourself to death, there will no longer be anyone to torture. 

On to the third suggestion by Bill Black:

Prosecute the Elite Criminals.

Monopoly Leadership is called Dictatorship, which is Elite Crime made legal. Notice how Bill Black suggests that people in his government should be fired (not prosecuted) and replaced with someone who would use that power to prosecute the Elite Criminals. Why not prosecute the people running Bill Blacks government?

You have no answer? Who has the answer? Whose answer has any power? The monopoly power, the one power, the one person, or the one group, at the top, has the only answer that has the power required to solve the problem.

What problem?

Elite criminals need to be prosecuted?

Who says so?

Bill Black.

Bill Black says fire his government agents. Will his government agents be fired any time soon? Who will fire his government agents?

The person, or the group of people who have the power to fire those agents will fire those agents if they decide that there is a problem.

Those agents, who Bill Black wants to fire, make sure that all the power made by all the honest working people goes to the people who employ those agents that Bill Black wants to fire. Those agents are not a problem to the person, or the people, who have hired them, those agents are working to make sure that the power flows to those few people. How can Bill Black seriously propose to fix the problem by keeping power flowing to the cause of the problem?

His solution is a problem. A real solution can be implemented, has been implemented, and offering problems as solutions instead of offering real solutions is a problem.

Bill Black has experience prosecuting criminals when Bill Black is hired by criminals to do so, and when those criminals who hired Bill Black to prosecute criminals no longer want Bill Black to prosecute criminals, Bill Black no longer does prosecute criminals - but his suggestion sounds good.

Tell the criminals to prosecute themselves, and they may follow that advice, or fire the criminals who don't follow the suggestion to prosecute themselves, and who is going to hire someone who will prosecute the criminals on Bill Blacks list of Elite criminals?

How about a real solution?

Invent, produce, and maintain competitive legal money and for lack of power the current legal criminals running The Dollar Hegemony will kill each other or they will find productive work like every other honest productive working human being. They are currently destroying their own National Level Legal Money Monopoly (The Dollar Hegemony) so as to replace it with one based in Asia, so now is the time, as never before, to replace the monopoly power with a competitive one of our own, individual, choice.

One person can offer one, a family can offer one, a town can offer one, a city can offer one, a county can offer one, a State can offer one, and the money, the power, will flow to the best one, once it is understood, by each individual, that an enforced legal money monopoly is the problem, not the solution.

When the few who are most powerful claim that there can be no other legal money, you do not have to believe that lie. Think otherwise.