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I choose B.
HCKaos,
You choose to accept help from someone else, and let's please work this two ways, from this point.
A. Only one other person
B. All other people willing to help
You accept.
One person offer's help, and you accept.
More than one person offers help, and you accept.
They offer help because you, according to them, earn credit.
You are a source of credit, you produce credit, you earn it, and one other person recognizes that fact, and that one other person gives you credit.
You accept.
What transfers?
How does the transfer happen?
What happens if you default?
The people helping you are in your debt when they help you, when they credit you, you place them in your debt.
What do you do?
Is this confusing you?
Now add many people offering you help, many people that you place in your debt, they offer you help, you accept, they credit you, you place them in debt.
Is that confusing?
Why?
Figure it out, find where you are confused, and then answer for yourself why you are confused. Go step by step.
You will die or you get help.
You are offered help.
You accept.
The first person offering you help credits you as being credit worthy, as you earn his help, and help is transferred to you, it is help, it is not a loan, it is help, they are weaker after they help you, you are stronger after they help you, they sent you needed help, you now have their power, they don't, what do you call it if you spend that power injuring the people who help you?
Default?
Question all things.
You need help, you will die without it, you are offered help, where does the power you need to survive come from, if it does not exist, you are doomed, if it does exist, you live, how do you get it?
If someone else has it, and they voluntarily transfer that power to you, you are the source of credit, and they are rendered in debt, as the power they had now flows to you.
Now that time passes. You now have their power. What do you do with that power. You live. You survive. You don't consume the power to buy a lap dance, you use the power to preserve life.
Why did the person help you?
You needed help.
The person helped you because, according to that person, you earned that help, somehow.
What happens if the person demands repayment?
That changes things.
The first transfer from someone to you, as a loan, now, isn't a case where only you earned credit, you did earn a reasonable measure of credit, in the mind of the person helping you, but now, as a loan, the transfer is entirely different, now you are borrowing power from someone who has power, and you are now making a deal to return something, the whole amount borrowed, or even more than the whole amount borrowed.
You are no longer the only source of credit, you are one source of credit, you are now worthy of a loan, and the lender is worthy of repayment.
Who is in debt?
Does that help in the work necessary in realizing the full measure of credit and debt? I think it does, and my thinking is based upon the concept that life is a power struggle.
I'm going to leave that thinking alone for now, let you work on it some, and I'll move to the next exchange, the next transfer of stuff, as words are being transferred.
The monetary system dictates what my "skill" is worth, I would value it much higher than it's monetary value. I thought nursing would be a "noble" profession, it has become a tool to dispense needless intervention. Get some sunlight, it really is good for you.
I have a niece who is a nurse, and her future husband, or boy friend was a nurse, and I hear you loud and clear, but, you are expressing a measure of falsehood.
The monetary system is a way of looking at a whole bunch of people doing individual things, it is not capable of any thought, and it is not capable of any act, it cannot dictate what your "skill" is worth.
You now know how to help people who are injured. That is as valuable as life itself, precisely that valuable in fact, in each case where you do, in fact, help someone remain alive. How much someone will pay you is determined by many competitive forces, including how much you demand as payment for helping someone who needs help that you can supply. How much a hospital employer will pay you hourly is how much a hospital employer will pay you hourly to do whatever the employer may agree to pay you hourly to do, which can include helping a person survive, a person who is injured, or dig a ditch, and fill in the ditch, and do that many times, for your pay.
My niece just switched from a paid nurse at a hospital to a paid job working hospice. My nieces boyfriend was forced out of nursing, fraudulently, and is now working in Real Estate, helping people move from house to house, for pay.
Much of their valuable power is being transferred to legal criminals by way of taxation and by way of the monopoly money extortion racket, so they struggle.
They are credit worthy, valuable people, as measured by that transfer of stolen power, and that power is then used against them, to make them pay even more. If they were not credit worthy, they would not have anything to transfer to the legal criminals.
How can I respond better to what I read as a measure of falsehood in your words?
What is the higher quality response, at a lower cost to both of us?
Is that true? Ideally, yes
Wrong. I'm not communicating fantasy, idealism, utopian-ism, I am reporting the accurately measurable facts, as they exist in reality.
Honest productive people are defined exactly in that way, they are honest, because honesty is necessary for trust, which is necessary for production, and they are measurable exactly by their production, and they are people.
Where do the legal criminals get their power? Do you think that they produce their power? Is that what you think?
Does that answer the question? No, I applaud your idea but, unless you have the wealth to personally finance the products, who in this culture of greed is going to lend at such a discounted rate?
What idea?
Product 1 and Product 2?
Applauding is worth what?
Your failure to realize the answer automatically makes the answer moot in your mind?
That is happening in your mind, as your idea, your way of perception, and that is, by your own power of will, disconnected from the answer to the question.
The answer is Product 1 and Product 2, which do exist, but not as such, they exist at other prices, or in other places, because people like you refuse to even entertain such viable answers to the question.
Absent an answer you have no answer. Once offered an answer you refuse to even see it, and then you willfully ignore it, as you decide, by your own power of will, that the answer doesn't exit, because you ignore it.
Does that answer the question? No, I applaud your idea but, unless you have the wealth to personally finance the products, who in this culture of greed is going to lend at such a discounted rate?
Who has the power to set the price? You claim that no interest is a discount? You claim that 1% is a discount? Where do you get the power to decide what is or what is not a discount?
Am I talking to a member of the FOMC, or their employers?
The top down perspective considered, the monetary system is flawless, thank you.
I am not in that 1% view, hence my perspective.
A victims perspective. How does it work for you? You are not, then, a member of the FOMC.
I knowingly took a >30% wage decrease in my move from CT to FL, any rationalization for that. (Not for the move itself).
I'm guilty of rationalization, for having spent my time writing to you?
I can reason out my choice to write to you, if for no other reason, I exercise my fingers.
Rationalization, it seems to me, is a victims choice to remain one, when other choices are offered.