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The above link includes the combination of the Tenth amendment (Bill of Rights), or States Rights (competitive Federated Democratic Republican form of government), subject, combined with the Honest Money subject. I began reading it and before finishing I decided to link that article in this Forum Topic, and add my comments.
I am no fan of The Constitution, since I've read the history of it, I know which type of people created it, how it was created in secret, how it included The Dirty Compromise to get the deal struck between the legal criminals who created it, and how it was sold to the ignorant massed by way of a false advertisement campaign run by its proponent legal criminal, banking extortion racket frauds, however, having said that, I do see the wisdom of both The Declaration of Independence, and The Bill of Rights, which work like Liberty bread on a despotism sandwich, where The Constitution is the meat of despotism.
I am also not a fan of state run banking monopolies, whereby a few exclusive members of society are subsidized by the transfer of wealth from those who create it, the honest productive people, through the few government employees who spend the collected taxes, and then that power flows to those select few exclusive people who run the legal money monopolies, however, having said that one State can be compared, competitively, to another State, by the tax payers, to see which State offers the higher quality tax/money monopoly/government/business, at the lower cost to the tax payer, and vote with their feet, within a working Federated Democratic Republic, if one exists, by some measure.
Well, there you have it, in that link at the top of the page, and here is a quote from it:
Now it gets interesting. For several months I have been writing on the issue of honest money and its return to America, via the states. Judging from the response (or lack thereof), the issue is still very much off of the radar of the average American, including many hard asset advocates. Honest money is, however, quietly – and quickly – making its way into the main stream discussion.
Having attended the ceremonial signing of HB317 on June 2nd, I can assure you that the people of Utah are serious about providing the protection this law offers to their citizens. Rep. Brad Galvez, sponsor of the bill stated, “The law is not merely symbolic. Our intention is to strengthen the existing law and implement it.”
The speed at which this is all moving has caught the attention of the mainstream media. Both the New York Times and Los Angeles Times have published articles recently asking questions about the movement toward honest money. Not necessary the right questions, however the discussion has to begin somewhere.
The idea of using gold and silver as money has been in and out of the main stream press over the past several years. Relegated to what today’s economists would call “the realm of wacko, archaic, economic dinosaurs,” it hasn’t gained traction in the hearts and minds of the American people. This despite the tireless work of such dedicated individuals as Dr. Larry Parks, Dr. Edwin Vieira, Rep. Ron Paul, and dozens of others who had the audacity to read, study and understand the Constitution for the United States of America.
Let me go out on a limb and say those famous last words… “This time it is different.”
That is a large chuck of text especially for all those who are unaccustomed to anything other than a sound bite, and I don't usually quote such large numbers of symbols, all at once, since I prefer to take things apart and get down to the honest parts, the trees, in the forest, however, having said that, the article works as a whole, it is more than the sum of all its parts, at least up to the point where I stopped reading, and then I started linking, and commenting.
This is major news on the liberty front.
Here is another example of something similar:
http://utopianist.com/2011/01/stimulus-writ-small-tiny-california-town-prints-its-own-currency/
Josh Freeman of North Fork, CA sure took President Obama’s talk about providing help to “Main Street, not Wall Street” seriously. The tiny town of 2,400 people, located near Yosemite National Park, sits in a county with a staggering 15.7 percent unemployment rate. Seeing his town struggle, Freeman did what any red-blooded American would do: create his own currency. North Fork Shares, emblazoned with pictures of a butterflies and hummingbirds, are worth $12 per share, and are available in half and quarter shares.
This idea actually isn’t new; Ithaca, NY has its own currency, Ithaca Hours, which it launched way back in 1991. There are plenty of other local currencies around the United States: BerkShares in Massachusetts, the Plenty in Pittsboro, N.C., etc. The idea is to keep money in the community by encouraging spending only at local vendors who accept the money, like Disney Dollars, except less evil. Freeman explains his motivations to the L.A. Times, stating that ”In a small town, you tend to look out for each other …. With the changes in economy, the more we support each other in positive ways, the better the quality of life is for everyone.”
Now before you are the things by which people force themselves, voluntarily, and without resort to deceit, and without resort to threats of violence, and without resort to acts of violence, to improve the quality of life, while at the same time, reducing the costs of life, to be better able to pursue happiness, by gaining exclusive control of property, or by helping other people, or any happy thing under the sun, so long as no innocent people are willfully thrown under the bus to get there.
A.
Utah, a competitive State, within a supposed Federated Democratic Republic, is working toward producing, and maintaining, a competitive legal currency.
B.
North Fork, a competitive city within a competitive State, within a supposed Federated Democratic Republic, is working toward producing, and maintaining, a competitive legal currency.
Now, before I get back to the article, and finish it, looking for specific things, such as the necessary law, in Utah, that acknowledges their new competitive legal tender as a form of legal money that can be used to pay taxes, which is the link that links the honest productive people to those who receive the honest productive power known as surplus wealth, before they set about spending it, distributing it, as various forms of subsidy, got that?, I'll return to that later, but before all that I will show you what has happened in the past when competitive money begins to gain currency, or "gained traction", in three historical examples:
A.
The time between Colonial Stamp Script in America before the legal crime creators of The Constitution effectively forced a monopoly upon the honest productive American people.
Here is a source for information on that time period (not the only source):
http://www.perfecteconomy.com/pg-relevant-historic-quotes.html
Here is a quote:
Having usurped British Parliament, "the Bank of England" required the American colonists to adopt a currency subject to as much as 30 percent annual interest. As interest is the rate at which debt is multiplied, the greater the rate of interest, the faster the dispossession by artificially multiplied indebtedness. Franklin thus later explained the substantial effects and principal cause of the American Revolution to a friend in France:
"We would have gladly borne the little tax on tea and other matters, had it not been that they took from us our money, which created great unemployment and dissatisfaction. Within a year, the poor houses were filled. The hungry and homeless walked the streets everywhere."
Attributed to Benjamin Franklin
B.
The time before the abomination now called The Civil War included an experimental currency in a few experimental cities including what is now called Brentwood New York. Modern Times was an experimental city built up by people using Equitable Commerce, and similar forms of that competitive currency continue today in Ithaca New York.
Here is a link that documents the original experiment:
http://tmh.floonet.net/pdf/jwarren.pdf
C.
A competitive currency used by Austrians before the take-over by the Nazi Regime.
Here is a link reporting that experimental competitive legal currency:
http://www.globalideasbank.org/site/bank/idea.php?ideaId=904
In each case an experimental competitive currency was invented, produced, and maintained, and in 2 cases the experimental currency was crushed by legal criminals. A fourth example involves the invention, production, and maintenance of Whiskey as a replacement currency, and George Washington crushed that competitor once the law of the land prescribed that solution to that problem.
Returning to today, the Equitable Commerce experiment continues to work in various forms, Utah is beginning to challenge the National State, which is run by legal criminals, and a city in California is also inventing an experimental competitive currency, producing it, and maintaining it, according to my latest news sources.
Which brings me back to reading the rest of the article at the top of this post, and I will be looking for that link between Utah precious metal money and tax debt.
Let me go out on a limb and say those famous last words… “This time it is different.”
1) The United States is moving toward a debt/currency crisis of immense magnitude.
2) The American people are becoming increasingly aware of it, thanks to the tireless work of the above mentioned heroes.
3) There two new variables that make this latest iteration of the decades long sound/honest money debate different.
I like the use of lists, and I agree with the validity, the accuracy, and the truth of the listed events, that are occurring in our present reality, with one exception, the debate over sound/honest money has been going on for more than a few decades.
First of all, Utah has made gold and silver money once again. It is this anomaly – this “disturbance in the force” if you will – that has captured the attention of two of the largest newspapers in the nation. Why would a state actually pass a law to make constitutional money legal again? They are confused about the issue, as is evidenced by comments made by the reporters.
I am going to offer some comments that may help anyone who may yet be confused.
If one State within a working Federated Democratic Republic shines as the one State that has the only sound/honest money, then, ask yourself, what may happen? Think in terms of "keeping up with the Joneses", and consider what you would do, if you hear about someone you know in Utah, as that person brags to you about how they avoid having their hard earned wealth taken from them by way of inflation during BOOM, and taken from them by way of inflation during BUST, and you may not understand, until the person in Utah explains how sound/honest legal money works for them, but not for you, since you are not in the State that offers a competitive legal currency.
You are stuck with the dollar, invented by the people who invented The Federal Reserve System (of extortion), and maintained by their successors, and the person you know in Utah isn't stuck with that criminal dollar.
Do you move to Utah, or do you wait until the people in your State copy the example set by the people in Utah?
Do you wish, and hope, and prey, that the people running The FED send troops into Utah, so as to crush "so fatal a spirit" as did George Washington back in the day?
What do you really think The Civil War, which was not at all civil, was all about? It was about slavery, yes, and the masters meant to keep their slaves, not set them free. The slaves always have to set themselves free, waiting for charity doesn't work. Perhaps you can wait long enough to prove me wrong, and I won't hold my breath.
Back to the article:
With gold and silver as legal tender, the people own the metal.
That is what I was looking for, and found, the link between tax debt and "legal tender". If you owe a tax payment to the government you can pay that tax payment with "legal tender", and you don't have to work for Federal Reserve Notes in Utah, if their experiment works, in Utah, you can work for gold and silver, or dollars, your choice?
Will Utah still accept Federal Reserve Notes as payment for Utah State Tax Debt?
I will read on, to find out, and then, of course, there will be a need to set a legal exchange rate in Utah, so as to measure the value of the dollar relative to the value of gold, and relative to the value of silver, and that, my friends of liberty, is legalized monetary competition, if it is invented in Utah, is produced in Utah, and is maintained in Utah, and is not crushed by enforcers of monopoly legal money powers.
“He who owns the gold makes the rules.” Well… with the system put in place in Utah, the people are in a position to make the rules – not the central bankers.
One might think that such a thing is reasonable, and any intelligent human being above the age of 5 could understand the fundamental principles, and interests involved, but, then again, this is the land of the something for nothing fad, so, who knows?
I do.
How about you?
The second issue that makes this time different is that unlike the past, there is now a practical means to implement a system where gold and silver can be used as legal tender alongside Federal Reserve Notes – and with the same convenience. The free market is combining 21st century technology with Utah’s law, and surprise, surprise – the result is that a solution is very close to being unveiled.
Do you see? There will be competition, in the plan, the planners are planning on inventing, producing, and maintaining a legal monetary competition, legal choice, who would ever have thought such a thing? The sky is falling. Some one pinch me, I must be dreaming.
So what does the Federal Reserve think of all of this? You can bet your bottom “dollar” that they are watching for any vulnerability with which to attack this system. However, unlike what happened with the Liberty Dollar and its founder Bernard Von NotHaus, what if there is no legal recourse for the Fed? What if state law is on solid constitutional grounds? What if free market implementation solutions have the backing of the state(s)? What if those solutions operate legally within the confines of the existing finanical system?
That writer is so exited he may have misspelled financial. I'm on the edge of my seat.
While it has been a very long time, there is precedent for “we the people” winning in a battle with the central bankers. Andrew Jackson led the last charge to “root out the den of vipers.” It nearly cost him his life. In the end, it was he who “killed the bank” – an epitaph written on his tombstone.
Keep in mind, please, that Andrew Jackson was not a friend of liberty for "we the people", he was one of those "just us" people, just us get free, screw the Indians, women, slaves, and consider what happens when you travel down the road of "enemies of our enemies are our friends": a tangle web woven, but none the less, vipers are vipers, and not just anyone can root them out.
Here’s to the Sound Money Summit. Mark your calenders. September 26th and 27th promise to be the next quantum leap forward as the states move to return to honest money.
EDITOR’S NOTE: You can track the progress of state-based Constitutional Tender legislation at THIS LINK
Here is the link:
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/nullification/constitutional-tender/
No time, or interest, to edit, now, but I can delete and repost if something is really messed up, after the forum removes my edit button.