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 Posted: Wed Jun 8th, 2011 12:52 pm
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Joe Kelley

 

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06-08-2011

Anyone,

Listening to Alex Jones and Jesse The Body Ventura.

Jesse has a point of view. Alex has a point of view. People who target either person, and ignore the point of view, are people who confess their intentions to target personalities, not viewpoints. What about the points of view?

One single constant point of view can be seen as a principle. Look at one, see one, and see nothing else, for a moment - please.

One single constant point of view, one principle:

Unchallenged Obedience

Unchallenged Obedience

See it.

That is a principle. That is a single thing, a single mind set, a single point of view. See it, alone, and realize it, alone, as one single principle.

Now, for no other reason that boredom, having spent an eternity of time viewing, seeing, knowing, and realizing, the one single myopic principle of Unchallenged Obedience, look, please, at one other viewpoint, and do so for a fraction of a second, and do not look at anything other than Unchallenged Obedience for more than than once fraction of a second.

I just heard:
July 3rd,4rth, and 5th, a no buying gas, and a no flying protest.

I will get back to that soon. For now, please, return to the one myopic, single, constant, consistent, viewpoint, the one, principle, Unchallenged Obedience viewpoint, and do so for an imaginary eternity of time, as all human life obeys that single principle for the entire span of human existence from the first human being to the last anywhere in the entire Universe, and for one single second of time, a competitive viewpoint emerges within that time span, and then the one second of alternative, adaptive, competitive, challenge-to-the-one-myopic-viewpoint vanishes forever.

1.
Unchallenged Obedience (99.99999999999% of human time)

2.
Not #1 (.000000000000001% of human time - one second, from one human, and then a return to Unchallenged Obedience forevermore)

I offer this angle of view so as to illustrate a principle, and to do so by way of stark comparison, by way of seeing one thing, and then next to the one thing is placed another thing, so as to realize how one thing compares to another thing.

How does anyone, ever, know, or realize, or understand, or conceptualize, or believe, right from wrong? If there is only one thing, then there is no way to know right from wrong, the one thing is the only thing, therefore there is no possible way to know right from wrong. Once another thing exists, in time and space, a viewpoint, from a person, can then compare one thing relative to another thing, and this is the principle, this is challenge, this is competition, this is the constitution of, the construction of, the creation of, and then the exercise of, willful choice.

If the single myopic viewpoint is Unchallenged Obedience, if that is chosen, it remains a choice, when the physical fact of existence presents alternatives, such as the illustrated alternative to which my words intend to convey as such:

1.
Unchallenged Obedience

2.
Competition

There are two things, not one.

The idea, at this point, is to look at Unchallenged Obedience, and see it, for what it is, and it is false, it is a lie, it is a deception, it is not competitive, it is not right, it is not even possible, as such a viewpoint, no matter how popular the belief in it may be, it is not humanly possible in any state of existence, at any time, since a single person, as a human being, has a competitive viewpoint, by definition, by factual reality, by the fact of existing, the single human being challenges obedience to the false idea of Unchallenged Obedience.

A person may be forced to obey a tax law, for example, as one person presents another person with one, single, myopic, dictate, demand, and order to pay the tax, no choice, pay the tax, there are no other choices, pay the tax, and the person pays the tax, because there is no other choice, at that moment in time.

Path A:
Pay the tax

Path B:
Pay the tax

No choice, the facts prove, there is no choice, there is only Unchallenged Obedience, at that time, at that place, as one person gains power at the expense of another person, and therefore, the precedence is set, proof positive, Unchallenged Obedience exists, you are then unable to consider any other option, Unchallenged Obedience does exist, it is, all other options shall not be questioned.

There is only one.

Unchallenged Obedience

There is no other.

Really?

Who is fooling who?

Look here:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html

That is the "official" version of The Constitution (according to whoever authorized and then published that Web Page).

AMENDMENT XIV

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.


Who supports the one myopic viewpoint, the Unchallenged Obedience viewpoint, and by what lie does that person manage that support?

Have I lost you?

I can offer two, reasonable, just, equitable, and liberating challenges to the lie of Unchallenged Obedience, for you to consider, alone, in your individual time, in your individual space, as you are offered these two challenges to the false viewpoint knowable as Unchallenged Obedience, such as the illustrated case above, quoted as: "shall not be questioned" in the "official" version of the false "law of the land".

1.
Trial by Jury
http://www.barefootsworld.net/trial01.html

2.
Equitable Commerce
http://tmh.floonet.net/pdf/jwarren.pdf

I am offering three things to see, you can see three things, and you can compare three things, as three things challenge your current viewpoint.

Blind, Unchallenged, Obedience, "shall not be questioned" is 1 thing.

Trial by Jury not only questions Obedience, Trial by Jury authorizes, by law, each individual person, with the power to nullify any law. Do you understand that concept?

A. Blind obedience to the people who enforce The Constitution, as those enforcers choose to interpret The Constitution the way they choose to interpret The Constitution.
B. Any Juror sitting on any Jury nullifies any example of intended enforcement by any enforcer who tries to enforce their interpretation of The Constitution.

Do you see the power at play?

A lawful enforcer of The Constitution intends to enforce his interpretation of The Constitution upon a targeted "law breaker", and any one Juror, on any Jury, has more power than any enforcer of The Constitution, as the attempt to enforce The Constitution is nullified by the one, single, Juror, who can be anyone on any jury.

You may think that my words are false, and you may want to hold onto your blind obedience viewpoint with some measure of sycophantic fever, I suppose, while the data, not me, the data supports my viewpoint.

A single Juror has the legal power to nullify any interpretation made by any hired enforcer of any law in the land where Trial by Jury is a working legal power. Call me stupid, if it makes you feel better at this moment in your use of human life. If you are ever punished by some hired enforcer of "the law of the land" and you were not afforded the opportunity of having your punishment nullified by one of 12 people who are randomly chosen among all of your peers, then that is what happens to you, as Trial by Jury doesn't work for you - too bad for you.

You are punished.

To bad for you.

Added to that Trial by Jury challenge to the myopic unchallenged obedience viewpoint, shared by millions, I place in front of you a second, and even more powerful, challenge to that lie of blind obedience; which is blind obedience to falsehood.

In one group there exists an army of people fueled by lies, parroting lies, using lies to injure innocent people for profit, or for fun, and even people believing in the lies, based upon the single myopic principle, which is false, which is Unchallenged Obedience, an army, a zombie army, a brainwashed army of sycophantic psychopaths and sociopaths, raining evil down upon their targeted victims, perpetually, and unchallenged by some measure, since they do exist, they do command that power of falsehood, and they do commit their legal crimes, and the measure of their victims include the screams of the tortured, and the piles, and piles, and piles of legally murdered victims, and in the challenging group people do challenge the myopic blind obedience lie.

One group:
Unchallenged Obedience

One Challenger (group)
Trial by Jury

Another Challenger (group)
Equitable Commerce

You may have a hard time shedding all the falsehood that covers up the other Challengers to the Unchallenged Obedience group. You can read the link, or you can depend upon me to place that challenge in front of you, in such a way as to afford you the opportunity to appraise it accurately.

The FED has the legal license to borrow from the Good Faith and Credit of The American people (the tax payers), and the people commanding that legal license have borrowed trillions, spent trillions, and the result of their expenses is bankruptcy.   

They say that the honest productive people are bankrupt, they say that the Good Faith in Credit of The American people is tarnished, discredited, lower in power, as a direct result of the failure to invest borrowed money economically. Who borrowed from who? Who is bankrupt? Who earns Good Faith and Credit? Who are the debtors? Who are the creditors? Why do the victims believe in falsehoods that target them, punish them, and then make them pay for their own punishment? If you are told to dig your own grave, jump in it, and then fill in the hole on top of you, do you do that too? If you are told to dig faster, do you do that too? How is that different from you lending someone money, that you earn, and then the borrower tells you that you owe them for the money they borrowed and wasted?

You produce surplus wealth. They borrow that from you. They spend that borrowed money. They then tell you that you are broke, and that you owe them the entire sum of money they have borrowed from you, and on top of that, they say you owe them interest on the money they borrowed from you?

You claim that I am stupid?

Really?

The Unchallenged Obedience group supports the idea that the Good Faith and Credit of The American people is bankrupt; as a result of the actions perpetrated by a few people who have the single legal power to borrow from the honest productive American people.

What do you think is the obvious challenge to that myopic, false, Unchallenged Obedience group, viewpoint?

What happens if each honest productive American person, proven to be a powerful force of production, proven to have earned Good Faith and Credit, has more power than those few people at The FED?

The same thing works in economy as it does in law.

Trial by Jury gives each person more power than the employees of The People. A member of a Jury, in a Trial by Jury, has more legal power than any law enforcer anywhere within the legal reach of a government that has a working Trial by Jury legal process.

What does Equitable Commerce prove?

Equitable Commerce proves that the same legal power of Trial by Jury, in law enforcement, is proven to work in economy, as each person is afforded as much, or more, power than any hired person running the government, as each person has the legal power to borrow from their own, well earned, good faith and credit.

You can see the world from the point of view that goes unchallenged, or you can challenge that lie.

Back to the proposed protest in July:

Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura spoke of a protest in July.

I can offer a similar future event, I've done so, and I will do the same again.

One person, me, or anyone, publishes a pending date in the future, on the calender,  and on that date the idea is to be liberated, on that date, the people agreeing to be liberated on that date, declare that they will be liberated on that date, and that is what happens on that date, so long as enough people agree to be liberated on that date, and the date can be moved sooner, or the date can be moved later, depending upon the rate by which the numbers required volunteer to be liberated on that date.

If the date by which The People will liberate themselves is July 4th 2011, then that is the date by which The People will liberate themselves.

How many of The People are needed to constitute a sufficient power in opposition to the one myopic Unchallenged Obedience power?

You can offer a rough number. I will offer my opinion.

How about 60% of the population? I can be much more precise with the actual requirements of the power that is needed. Honest productive Americans have to be the people who will constitute those people who have the power to liberate themselves, precisely those people. Liberated people are people who voluntarily associated with each other, equitably, as they produce much more than they consume, as the supply of surplus wealth reaches a higher than ever recorded amount of surplus wealth, and those liberated people then have the power to liberate themselves, and those people then challenge the legal criminal power, and the challenge is peaceful, and the challenge is voluntary, and the challenge over-powers the single myopic Unchallenged Obedience group, because those people decide to command the power they produce in that way, on that day.

One person picks a date. Another person agrees to that date. More people join in on the liberty day effort. Many more people agree. The agreement is nothing more, and nothing less, than an agreement to challenge the Unchallenged Obedience group, to pledge honorably, to no longer be among that group, on that future date, when enough honest productive Americans will no longer be perpetually punished by that legal criminal group.

While that future date approaches there may be many offerings of viewpoints as to what will happen on that date. I can offer, for example, that competition in money markets is a necessary thing to allow on that date, or even better, have competition in money markets working well before that date, since competition in legal money markets will slow down the flow of power from the honest productive Americans as that power flows to the legal criminals. Legal competition in money markets will stop that flow of power from the honest productive people, and that power will no longer flow to those legal criminals as a result of allowing legal competition in money markets - and the result will be such that the honest productive group of people will then produce an astonishing amount of surplus wealth as that group becomes so much more powerful than any legal crime group, that legal crime will no longer be profitable.  

You can challenge blind obedience as you see fit, within your own power capacity to do so.

Good luck, alone.

The single, myopic, sycophantic, psychopathic, sociopathic, pathological, despotic, monopolistic, unchallenged, obedient, false, viewpoint is rendered powerless, unprofitable, by competition.

Forms of competition that render the legal crime power powerless include the Trial by Jury legal power, and legal money competition - both challenge and render the legal crime group powerless.  

You can know this, and work with this, and if more people know this, and more people work with this information, liberty day will arrive on the day it does, without fanfare, or on a new scheduled day of celebration.

Legal crime currently pays trillions; don't be confused as to why.