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So, simplifying this, they're breaking water into hydrogen and oxygen and then burning hydrogen and oxygen to create water. This is, of course, possible, but you can't get more energy out of the system than you put in. Otherwise, it's simply a perpetual motion machine.
If it worked, it could sit on the driveway and make energy all day every day and power the entire world without you ever needing to put anything in it.
That above is not the whole truth.
Water is added to the fuel supply and water is an exhaust, if less water is added into the fuel tank than the water that is exhausted out of the exhaust pipe the car will stop running when the car runs out of water in the fuel tank.
Why is that not easy to see?
I think it is clearly understood when demonstrated.
I have not yet managed to test any of those products on-line.
I have tracked two suppliers of water fuel devices.
I can check back on those suppliers now:
http://hytechapps.com/
Demonstrations:
http://hytechapps.com/company/press
Note the dates:
CNN May 23, 2006
That supplier has yet to offer a water fuel device for individual sale and use in automobiles. They make water fuel devices for industrial welding.
Next:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&fkt=1843&fsdt=14578&q=Hydro-Gen+the+ultimate+fuel+saving+device
I had to Google for the site I’ve tracked for a few years. That supplier no longer maintains the original web page (click on the first links in the search). I saw that supplier grow from a basic web page offering one device to a more professional web page offering more than one device (large and small devices for trucks and cars).
The process by which water is converted from water to hydrogen and oxygen for fuel requires power. If the power in-put lowers while the power output remains the same, then less water is required to accomplish the same work i.e. more the car PLUS convert water into hydrogen and oxygen.
There is one method or process that can convert water into hydrogen and oxygen. That process requires a known amount of power in that process and that known amount of power is known to be less that the power that is contained in the oxygen and the hydrogen.
Therefore:
Power input is < power output
The problem is that the margin of power input to power output is very small. It takes almost as much power to convert water into hydrogen and oxygen as the power contained in hydrogen and oxygen.
Like this:
Suppose that it takes 10 watts of power to convert 10 ounces of water into 5 ounces of hydrogen and 5 ounces of oxygen.
That would be 10 watts of input power to get a known amount of hydrogen and oxygen.
Now suppose that 5 ounces of oxygen and 5 ounces of hydrogen contain 20 watts of power.
10 watts < 20 watts
Input power is less than output power
20 watts > 10 watts
Output power is greater than input power.
That must be seen in reality in a demonstrable way.
Example:
Water is poured into a bottle and the bottle is attached to a car.
The car runs on gasoline. The car starts with the power in the battery on the car.
The car uses the power of the gasoline to turn an electric power producer called an alternator.
The alternator produces 15 watts of power (this is an abstract number not a specific and accurate number for any specific alternator).
5 watts of power charge the battery and run the car electric ignition system.
10 watts of power convert water into hydrogen and oxygen.
20 watts of hydrogen and oxygen go into the gasoline fuel supply, mix with the oxygen and gasoline, and fuels the car.
Gasoline, oxygen, hydrogen, plus argon, nitrogen, and carbon dioxide from the atmosphere are consumed in the internal combustion engine.
Some of the gasoline is not completely burned. Some of the oxygen is not completely burned. Some of those fuels combine with some of the other fuels and become exhaust gases and exhaust liquids like: water, carbon monoxide, hydrocarbons (gasoline vapor), nitrous oxide.
If the amounts of hydrocarbons that come out are greater than the gasoline in the gas tank, then something is fishy.
No one is claiming that a pipe can be hooked up to exhaust pipe and that pipe attacked to the engine intake where the car can then magically fuel itself.
That is not demonstrable, as far as I know.
There are some people who claim that the current method of processing water into the separate parts (electrolysis) is relatively costly compared to an as yet not mass produced process that is relatively less costly, where the power required to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen is less that current methods (electrolysis).
That method of separating water into hydrogen and oxygen has been called “cracking”.
No, I’m not on crack.
Assuming something can’t happen is as stupid as assuming that something can happen.
Show me?
Or
What is the cost of showing me?
http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&fkt=610&fsdt=1641&q=Stan+Meyer%27s+Water+Powered+Dune+Buggy
http://www.overunity.com/
Last edited on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 03:11 pm by Joe Kelley