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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 09:45 pm

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http://www.inc.com/magazine/20071201/the-companies-of-elon-musk.html?partner=rss-alert

"Tesla is making the first real production electric car. By real, I mean that the car isn't subsidized in any way--it's valuable on its own merits. Our strategy is to start with a high-price, low-volume car and then move down to a lower price, higher volume. Eventually we're going to be a big American car company with a half-dozen models and hundreds of thousands of cars."

"SolarCity installs solar panels, but installation is only one part of what we do. There's the design of the system: What's it going to look like? How's it going to be structured? There's the wiring, the permitting, the monitoring. It's a hairball of elements that need to be put together. What most people don't realize is that SolarCity--not the panel manufacturer--is providing the bulk of the value."

How about a battery pack exchange process where the user has one battery pack on charge at the Solar House while driving the car with the charged pack?

How about a long range battery trailer towed behind the Electric Car complete with a Solar Panel charging roof?

What about a Green House cover over Solar panels with one way glass (mirror on the inside)?

How about using mass to generate electricity during braking?

What about this:

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2007/08/01/100138830/index.htm

How about a Sales Method where a Solar and Wind Farm charges exchange batteries, runs a Taxi service, leases, and sells Electric Cars?

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog2/?p=29

Sent response Dec 3 2007 above and below

http://www.teslamotors.com/blog2/?p=8

My last two submissions were rejected. One concerned the ceramic battery.

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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 09:57 pm

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SolarCity,

Why not overproduce electricity and produce hydrogen gas, pressurize the gas, pump water up, pressurize water, and raise weights or ANYTHING that can economically store the excess power during Sunlight and Windy Days (with a wind Generator) since any investment in Solar and Wind (over time) pays for itself and produces at least 100 percent more purchasing power over above costs as long as the power is used productively?

Example:

A new housing development links an electric grid, water grid, and hydrogen grid to a central storage/production unit. Add a number of electric cars with at least 3 batter packs for each car/truck and the capacity to store overabundance earns an increase in total production while lowering costs (increasing purchasing power).

Couldn't a sales model include loans based upon electric production credit whereby the consumers become income generators? That is what is happening here no?

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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 09:58 pm

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SolarCity on Earth begins to iron out the necessities of economy on Mars.

Waste not - want not.

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Posted: Tue Dec 11th, 2007 10:32 am

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Joe Kelley wrote on December 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Competition is banking on Oil industry weaning here:

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/12/10/breaking-gm-releases-first-teaser-shot-of-the-production-chevy/

“The Chevrolet Volt, GM’s electric plug-in vehicle, will be the first vehicle designed in the new studio. The Chevrolet Volt is a plug-in electric vehicle that will run up to 40 miles without ever using a drop of gasoline — which according to government data, would be enough to handle approximately two-thirds of daily commutes for American drivers. The first vehicle in GM’s “E-Flex” family, the Volt will be powered by an electric motor, which draws its energy from on-board batteries. The batteries, in turn, will be re-charged by a small internal combustion engine that will run on gas, diesel or ethanol. When not in use, the batteries will be re-charged by simply plugging the Volt into an electric outlet.”

Again - quck change battery pack systems can incorporate many new structures and opportunites for indivdual ‘volunteers’. A cart can be used to handle the wieght of the batteries - think Costco gas station/batter exchange station and, even, local entrepenuer ‘ in the neighborhood running a batter charging exchange from his Solar/Wind home. A return of the ’service’ station.

Why are brake/generator systems not being developed.

Example: A freight train or Truck/Trailer (A freight SHIP too) stores energy as inertia once it has reached a high point on any trip and during decents to lower altitudes (down hill) that inertia can cause the vehicle to overspeed which requires a force to declerate the mass. That force can be used to generate electriicty and recharge batteries. This is very simple stuff.

Joe Kelley wrote on December 10th, 2007 at 2:44 pm

Here is a design for a Power House or Eco-Home

http://www.jetsongreen.com/2007/12/prototipo-di-ca.html

Construction costs are lowering as deflation sucks out currency. There will aways be a demand for POWER; at least until power is cost-less.

Why not build a low power cost home while powering up the home with renewable power? Why not network homes to pool power independently? Use it or lose it? How about use it to store more power by pumpling water, producing hydrogen from water, pressurizing both, and removing greater quantities of dependence?

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Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 03:58 pm

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“Many of these options actually offer a better $ / Watt ratio. Meaning you get more watts / kilowatts per $ spent.”

I don’t know the boundaries here; however – the subject sure could use some hashing about since there are many popular notions that cloud the principle and discourage interest.

Thinking only in terms of cost/benefit without stepping back to see dependence/independence and perhaps even more important an ignoring of scale can, again, cloud, hide, disguise, and even falsify the reality and stifle the demand.

A look into scale, if I can communicate this accurately, blows the top off the bottle.

How about this angle:

Why do producers scale back electric production from peak production? Why produce less of a cost reducing power? One obvious yet myopic answer is demand. If, say, a peak rate could be produced year round, then, electric power could be stored and earn a long period of no production given a scale of demand or usage.

I am trying to point toward a particularly false dependence upon price. Either something pays out more than the cost or something does not pay out more than the cost. If something pays out more than the cost, then, why stop paying out more than the cost?

The myopic answer again could obviously be – no further demand. This brings me to ask anyone and I have yet found only one other person seeing this point.

As power is produced into a state of oversupply the cost reaches zero.

What happens when power is cost-less?

Purchasing power goes up.

Then – people can afford to move to mars.

The power to control the rate of currency production into a state of overabundance where costs are reaching zero is something worth looking into – unless the individual happens to survive on profits earned in the process of making power scarce.

One more angle –

A person purchasing independent power producing products may well invest big rather than ‘just enough to get by’ since the future may reward those who can generate more than they need – currently

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Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 03:48 pm

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http://www.zenncars.com/specifications/specs_index.html

Above is a link to an electric car.

I always look for and have trouble finding the cost per mile or cost to charge.

A way to make that cost/benefit relationship user friendly would be a cost per mile/cost per month conversion applet.

Example:

Fill in the blanks and then press enter or ‘calculate’.

Variable ------------------my current example

Cost per kWh -------------------.13 cents (electric bill from California Edison)
Cost per gallon gasoline ----------3.00
MPH of current vehicle------------20 (Ford F150) or 30 (Honda Civic)
Miles per month average ----------700

Enter

---------------------------Ford----------Honda----------Electric
Cost per mile -----------.15------------.10----------------.04

http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/articles2.cfm?TID=373

Wild guess

Enter (continued)

----------------------------Ford-------------Honda-------------Electric
Cost per month--------$105.00----------$70.00---------------$28

----------------------------Ford------------Honda--------------Electric
Cost per year---------$1,260.00-------$840.00--------------$336.00

Cost per year for a fleet of 100 cars………………

Cost per life span of vehicle plus maintenance costs…………..

Cost per mile when home is generating Electricity with Solar Panels.

Cost change when gasoline goes up 1 dollar a gallon…..
Cost change when electricity goes up .10 cents per kWh….
Cost change when gasoline flow stops and electricity flow stops or is intermittent (embargo of gasoline, gas lines, black outs of electricity, peak usage of electricity over-charges, etc.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88k6Ipp3c

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http://www.zenncars.com/specifications/specs_index.html

Above is a link to an electric car.

I always look for and have trouble finding the cost per mile or cost to charge.

A way to make that cost/benefit relationship user friendly would be a cost per mile/cost per month conversion applet.

Example:

Fill in the blanks and then press enter or ‘calculate’.

Variable ------------------my current example

Cost per kWh -------------------.13 cents (electric bill from California Edison)
Cost per gallon gasoline ----------3.00
MPH of current vehicle------------20 (Ford F150) or 30 (Honda Civic)
Miles per month average ----------700

Enter

---------------------------Ford----------Honda----------Electric
Cost per mile -----------.15------------.10----------------.04

http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/articles2.cfm?TID=373

Wild guess

Enter (continued)

----------------------------Ford-------------Honda-------------Electric
Cost per month--------$105.00----------$70.00---------------$28

----------------------------Ford------------Honda--------------Electric
Cost per year---------$1,260.00-------$840.00--------------$336.00

Cost per year for a fleet of 100 cars………………

Cost per life span of vehicle plus maintenance costs…………..

Cost per mile when home is generating Electricity with Solar Panels.

Cost change when gasoline goes up 1 dollar a gallon…..
Cost change when electricity goes up .10 cents per kWh….
Cost change when gasoline flow stops and electricity flow stops or is intermittent (embargo of gasoline, gas lines, black outs of electricity, peak usage of electricity over-charges, etc.)

---------------------------Ford----------Honda----------Electric
Cost per mile -----------.15------------.10----------------.04

http://www.ecoworld.com/Home/articles2.cfm?TID=373

Wild guess

Enter (continued)

----------------------------Ford-------------Honda-------------Electric
Cost per month--------$105.00----------$70.00---------------$28

----------------------------Ford------------Honda--------------Electric
Cost per year---------$1,260.00-------$840.00--------------$336.00

Cost per year for a fleet of 100 cars………………

Cost per life span of vehicle plus maintenance costs…………..

Cost per mile when home is generating Electricity with Solar Panels.

Cost change when gasoline goes up 1 dollar a gallon…..
Cost change when electricity goes up .10 cents per kWh….
Cost change when gasoline flow stops and electricity flow stops or is intermittent (embargo of gasoline, gas lines, black outs of electricity, peak usage of electricity over-charges, etc.)

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Posted: Fri Dec 21st, 2007 02:44 pm

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http://www.solveclimate.com/blog/20071219/1-watt-itunes-solar-energy-has-arrived

A Silicon Valley start-up called Nanosolar shipped its first solar panels -- priced at $1 a watt. That's the price at which solar energy gets cheaper than coal. Curious that this story is not on every front page.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18934.htm

I really, really, do not want to spam. How can I know when too much is too much?

When a network is injected with bad blood there is an opportunity to transfuse the bad with good. The Ron Paul solution where currency market barriers are no longer enforced with fraud and violence, then, that opens the market up to competition filling the demand. The bset (most accurate) and the least costly will gain market share. If capital (currency) is scarce and costly, then, a lower cost currency (capital) can be produced for rapid consumption. A potential assocate with a good credit rating and no cash could borrow stock (interest in the company/network) in return for finished goods so as to finance (turn the stock in for cash to puchase outside the network or trade stock back to the producer of the stock indirectly = between network associates) if general deflation occurs with 'cash'. Even if inflation continues the soundness of producing and maintaining a sound monetary currency within the network is bound to accelerate production economically (and avoid the loss to loan sharks who may continue to be rewarded for their interests).

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That dead ended for me when my last post failed to be posted.

Here is a new lead:

http://www.cacleantech.com/

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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 08:05 am

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http://www.montereyherald.com/state/ci_10584252

Space X

LOS ANGELES—An Internet entrepreneur's latest effort to make space launch more affordable paid off Sunday when his commercial rocket carrying a dummy payload was lofted into orbit.

It was the fourth attempt by Hawthorne-based Space Exploration Technologies, or SpaceX, to launch its two-stage Falcon 1 rocket into orbit.
"Fourth time's a charm," said Elon Musk, the multimillionaire who started up SpaceX after making his fortune as the co-founder of PayPal Inc., the electronic payment system.
The rocket carried a 364-pound dummy payload designed and built by SpaceX for the launch.

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/space-x-did-it.html

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