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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 12:26 pm |
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Joe, I need some help: Page 18: I am having trouble making sense of these words. I have a fuzzy fealing of what they mean, but by the time I get to the end of the paragraph, I do not completely understand: Our government is God's law according to you, and I can almost share that entire version of law according to you. But the words that I think I would use at this time are Common Law, or Natural Law, or God's Law, as our government, which is a voluntary agreement subject to revision, but based upon the same voluntary government avoiding deceit, threats, and violence willfully perpetrated upon the innocent. That above is how the paragraph currently reads as I had previously changed a word and punctuation. And still feel the need to do something with it. Originally it was written as follows: http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2815776 Can you see in your way of thinking a way to make the meaning more clear? Thanks!
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 01:22 pm |
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5/20/13 page 19 40 some odd years added hyphens 40-some-odd years
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 01:24 pm |
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5/20/13 page 20 I am not asking you to bla, bla, bla; not me. added italics I am not asking you to bla, bla, bla; not me.
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 01:30 pm |
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5/20/13 page 20 I am pointing out for your consideration, the very serious closed loop falsehood added hyphen I am pointing out for your consideration, the very serious closed-loop falsehood
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 01:38 pm |
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5/20/13 page 20 This is fundamental and if anyone challenges you on socialism versus capitalism then consider the possibility of challenging THEM on the verb, not the noun. Made 2 sentences and added comma: This is fundamental. And if anyone challenges you on socialism versus capitalism, then consider the possibility of challenging THEM on the verb, not the noun.
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 01:46 pm |
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Joe Kelley Administrator
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bear, Here is the sentence: Our government is God's law, according to you, and I can almost share all of that version of law according to you, but the words that I think I would use, at this time, is Common Law, or Natural Law, or God's Law, as our government, which is a voluntary agreement, subject to revision, but based upon the same voluntary government, avoiding deceit, threats, and violence willfully perpetrated upon the innocent. I can restate the meaning as this: Our shared understanding is such that God is the power governing all creation, you are much more specific as to what is or is not God's Law, and I merely confess that I don't know much about those Laws that govern us, I can be satisfied with calling these Laws that govern us by using the word Natural Law, or even Common Law, so long as government is then understood to be our shared understanding to avoid harming each other. That is a different way of saying the same thing, and I don't know if you think one is better than the other, or if one can help the other in constructing a even better version. I can try again with another competitive example, if you think it may help in conveying the intended message without too much error or confusion.
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 03:57 pm |
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Thank you for the words, Joe. I have incorporated some of your new words into the paragraph and have come up with the following to page 18:Our government is God's law according to you, and I can almost share that entire version of law according to you. But the words that I think I would use at this time are Natural Law, or even Common Law, so long as government is then understood to be our shared understanding to avoid harming each other. Such a government that is a voluntary agreement subject to revision and based upon avoiding deceit, threats, and violence willfully perpetrated upon the innocent. If you would prefer something different, you can tell me now or make changes when the ball is back to you. Thank you for your help 
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 04:22 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 21 When I speak of getting a key, for example, it is illustrative, a verb, illustrative, illustrating, communicating, acting, action, moving, doing; not static, set, unmoving, fixed, and inert, and power-less. Added colon to begin the list and capitalization to maximize contrast: When I speak of getting a key, for example: it is illustrative, a verb, illustrative, illustrating, communicating, acting, action, moving, doing; NOT static, set, unmoving, fixed, and inert, and power-less.
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 04:36 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 23 What is the meaning behind the employment of the words "Private" and "Public"? Changed quotes to italics (per last rule on this page http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/02/ ): What is the meaning behind the employment of the words Private and Public?
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 04:44 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 23 When does a person stop being "private" and then the same person becomes "public?" When does a person stop being "private" and then that same person becomes "public"? When does someone stop being "Employer" and become "Employee?" When does someone stop being "Lender" and become "Borrower?" When does someone stop being "capitalist" and become "socialist?" changed the to that and took the question mark out of the quote mark per last rule on this page http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/03/ : When does a person stop being "private" and then that same person becomes "public"? When does someone stop being "Employer" and become "Employee"? When does someone stop being "Lender" and become "Borrower"? When does someone stop being "capitalist" and become "socialist"?
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 05:46 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 23 Libraries are collectivism manifestations: things. Things that exist travel as many individuals transfer things, flowing, moving, things currently flowing from many places; then the flow of things flows into one collected collectivist flowing collection of flow, as the collective sum of things flow into the collected place called a Library. What happens if no one reads? edited for readability: Libraries are collectivism manifestations: things. Things that exist and travel as many individuals transfer things, flowing, moving things; currently flowing from many places, and then the flow of things flows into one collected, collectivist, flowing collection of flow, as the collective sum of things flow into the collected place called a Library. What happens if no one reads?
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 05:51 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 23 Why is "collective" being used in a sentence as if a boogie man lurks in the darkness of "collective" things? Changed first collective to italics since the word itself is being referred to in accordance with rule link given in post above: Why is collective being used in a sentence as if a boogie man lurks in the darkness of "collective" things?
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 06:58 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 24 A bank is a "collective" thing where individuals store individual things flowing; flowing along mediums of exchange, flowing currently from all the individual places, flowing along the avenues, many individual places, flowing into the one bank, collectivizing, collecting, collectivism, collections, like passing a collection plate in church, collectivizing, collections, of collectivism and within that thing lies the boogie man? Edited for readability: A bank is a "collective" thing where individuals store individual things, flowing: flowing along mediums of exchange, flowing currently from all the individual places, flowing along the avenues, many individual places, flowing into the one bank, collectivizing, collecting, collectivism, collections, like passing a collection plate in church, collectivizing, collections, of collectivism. And within that thing lies the boogie man?
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 07:12 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 24 Consider the disadvantages of inaccurate currency as opposed to accurate currency demonstrated as a comparison. 1. Perhaps their goals were Equitable Socialism as opposed to Collective Socialism. 2. Perhaps their goals were Equitable Commerce as opposed to Crime made Legal. Edited to fix 1 & 2 to reflect bear words. Also added colon instead of period to introduce and put words Joe is replacing in for accuracy in brackets: Consider the disadvantages of inaccurate currency as opposed to accurate currency demonstrated as a comparison: 1. Perhaps their goals were Equitable Socialism as opposed to Collective Socialism. 2. Perhaps their goals were Equitable [Commerce] as opposed to [Crime made Legal].
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 07:21 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 24 The competitive version (2.) is demonstrable in fact as Equitable Commerce continues on today, in fact, in measurable fact where it is measurably, factually, occurring today; while at the same time, and in stark contrast, the opposite also occurs today where Crime continues to be made Legal in the form of what can be called by many names such as: The Dollar Hegemony, The World Reserve Currency, The Legal Money Monopoly Power, Wall Street, The Federal Reserve System of Fraud/The Federal Income Tax Extortion Racket, and U.S.A. Inc. (LLC). removed/added commas and broke into 2 sentences: The competitive version (2.) is demonstrable, in fact, as Equitable Commerce continues on today, in fact, in measurable fact where it is measurably, factually occurring today. While at the same time and in stark contrast, the opposite also occurs today where Crime continues to be made Legal in the form of what can be called by many names such as: The Dollar Hegemony, The World Reserve Currency, The Legal Money Monopoly Power, Wall Street, The Federal Reserve System of Fraud/The Federal Income Tax Extortion Racket, and U.S.A. Inc. (LLC).
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 07:25 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 24 You have the key but you don't use it? added comma: You have the key, but you don't use it?
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 07:29 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 25 So the boogie man socialism is rendered null and void, mere vapor, and now a new boogie man shows up called "collectivism?" Added quotes and moved question mark: So the boogie man “socialism” is rendered null and void, mere vapor, and now a new boogie man shows up called “collectivism”?
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 07:31 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 25 Is there ever an end to the current flow of things to be held accountable for the actions of people? added italics for emphasis: Is there ever an end to the current flow of things to be held accountable for the actions of people?
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 07:33 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 25 (in 2 places on same page) "If one is forced into a collective situation as far as I can understand they are no longer sovereign." Added punctuation: "If one is forced into a collective situation, as far as I can understand, they are no longer sovereign."
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| Posted: Mon May 20th, 2013 07:36 pm |
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5/20/13 Page 25 Then what? Everyone is separated from everyone else completely because every single connecting medium has been corrupted by a few people to the detriment of everyone else? added dashes for emphasis: Then what? Everyone is separated from everyone else –completely- because every single connecting medium has been corrupted by a few people to the detriment of everyone else?
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