I received a reply to my inquiry. 

Here is a reference to that question as reported in the web site:

 




One of the most important applications of Magnegas fuel, the production of green electricity, that can be achieved either by using MagneGas fuel alone in any electric generator produced to operate with Natural Gas, or MagneGas can be used as an additive to Natural Gas and other fossil fuels in such a percentage (easily computable from the above Table of Exhaust) to achieve the condition for green electricity.


QUESTION 7:
WHAT IS THE EFFICIENCY OF MAGNEGAS™ RECYCLERS?
ANSWER: The primary source of energy of MagneGas Recycler is a new very efficient and environmentally friendly combustion of carbon via the electric arc to such an extent that the energy produced by the carbon combustion is over twenty times bigger than the electric energy used by the arc. This is the central feature permitting MagneGas to be cost competitive with respect to fossil fuels despite the use of electricity. By comparison, the cost of hydrogen is about fifty times that of fossil fuel for same energy content because electricity is the sole source of energy for electrolytic separation of water or other processes. IMPORTANT NOTE: Despite their large efficiency, MagneGas Recyclers ARE NOT selfsufficient for the production of their own electricity in the version current in production and sale for various technical reasons.

More:

 QUESTION 4:
HOW CAN THE MAGNEGAS™ TECHNOLOGY BE BENEFICIAL TO AMERICA?
ANSWER: Firstly, recent events have established beyond doubt that our economy is today hostage to foreign interests. The first benefit of the MagneGas Technology for America is to offer the possibility of achieving independence from foreign oil as a necessary condition for any economic stability and control. Secondly, China is building 500,000,000 new cars by 2010, the cost of crude oil is expected to reach $100 per barrel before the year end, and the price of gasoline in the USA (assuming its availability) is expected to reach the current European level of $6 per gallon by next spring. The MagneGas Technology can allow Americans to reduce and control the price of their fuel. Thirdly, recent global environmental catastrophes have also proved beyond doubt that countries without a serious commitment to the environment have no credible economic future, evidently due to the devastation caused by increasing cataclysmic climactic events. The MagneGas combustion exhaust is dramatically cleaner than gasoline exhaust because it has been certified by an EPA accredited automotive laboratory to surpass EPA exhaust requirements without catalytic converter (for more details, visit Avoiding gasoline addiction with Magnegas).
The Chart mentioned in the reply is someone confusing to me. Being a simple minded person my original question asked:
Hi,

I am very interested in Magnefuels

Is it possible to publish my inquiries on my Forum 

Like this:

Can one Magnefuel generator unit generate enough fuel at a sewer plant to supply more than the fuel required to run the unit?

If so, then, how much Magnefuel per hour excess is produced with the largest Mangefuel generating unit now available?

If not, then, how much electric current is required per unit of Magnefuel produced (Newton per Newton)?
 
 

All my questions were not answered in the timely, but short, reply to my inquiry. 

I'd publish the reply however I did not receive permission. I may even be taking too much liberty in posting the information above. I don't know. The difficulty imposed in the effort to communicate is mind boggling.

From my perspective:

It takes x amount of Energy going in and y amount of energy is produced.

The answer to my question is roughtly: x > y.

That was the expected answer. I expected that answer because I read the site first. I tried to find on the site a simple chart for simple minded people like me to help make sense of the performance data.

Energy is measurable. Energy measurements can be converted to Newtons. A Newton is a measurement of power. 

See here now, dear reader, even if the reader is only me, myself, and I, at some point in the future, looking back, at the problem:

Communication cannot occur if the language (power) used in the effort is not commonly understood. 

I have a need to know how much power comes out for how much power that is put in. I'm strange that way apparently. 

I am also strange in my appreciation for a standard measure of value.

For example:

If the answer to my question was:

The largest unit we now have can generate 1 Newton of Magnegas at the cost of 1.1 Newtons of Electricity.

My next question, in my inquiry, would have been:

Can I hook you up with my Brother who works at an Aggregate plant to work out details concerning a possible purchase?  

Note: So far the communication effort has pretty much failed and not due to my lack of effort. I will reply to that short e-mail and I will ask again if my correspondence can be published. 

Here in America we have something called Peak hour costs for electricity. 

Even if the cost of producing Electricity with Magnegas is a net loss in energy, even so, the price of electricity during peak hours may increase the value of Magnegas to an economically viable level.  

The Plant in question which happens to be very close to the local sewer Plant could run the Magnegas generators at night by purchasing electricity at low cost from the power company and then during the peak hour electric cost hours the Aggregate Plant could use the Magnegas to run their diesel powered electric generators at lower costs by suplimenting diesel power with Magnegas power. 

I'm not completely lost on this stuff. What is needed is a common language. Newtons for newtons. 

I could go into a long winded diatribe in the effort to explain how ignorant it is to use overly complicated measurements like kilowatt-hours; however that topic is not currently appraised enough to even get on the list. Perhaps it is time to get back to basics?

How am I supposed to convince my brother about the economy of this possible endeavor when I cannot even get a straight answer from the producers of the product?


If they can't see the value in converting to Newtons, then, am I the stupid one? 

If they can't see the value in educating their potential customers, then, am I the stupid one? 

If they can't see the value in publishing public inquiries, then, am I the stupid one?

If they are too busy, due to high volume sales, then, am I the stupid one? 

Perhaps I will remain the stupid one.

The thing is: 

I am possessed of a mind that calculates in black and white. Price is, unfortunately, not black and white due to a vast majority of people who calculate, willfully, in terms of grey. They do so for a reason. The reason is called profit at the expense of some and to the benefit of others. Costs are transferred in this manner from the less wary to those who are skillful in manipulating the exchange calculations.

Is there a reason why cost calculations are so very difficult to calculate? 

Yes is the answer. Cost is not the limit of price. And cost is not the limit of price for a reason. The reason is obvious to me. How can I even begin to explain the reason when no one is willing to communicate in black and white? 

We are trained to use common language, common terms, and common knowledge. How are 'we' doing so far? 

Here is how it goes:

Newtons of coal, plus human labor, plus whatever interest is paid for whatever debt is involved, plus the costs of shipping the coal, also convertible to newtons, and that coal is burned to produce electricity at the local power plant. 

That electricity is then sent through a huge cost draining waste of wire, measurable in newtons, to the Plant where the price for each kilowatt per hour (time added to time), convertible to newtons, each unit of electric power, is paid for as this power is used. 

Perhaps coal is not used, perhaps the local Electric Plant uses a combination of coal, oil based fuel, Solar Energy, and possibly Wind power. Regardless; the unit of measure of power going in is x and the output is y - convertible to newtons. 

The electricity is then used at the Aggregate Plant and that operation uses a lot of electric power - a whole lot of newtons. 

That Aggregate Plant makes the stuff that ends up supporting the wheels of industry on the roads that criss-cross this great (if not stupid) country. I am one of the stupid ones who drive on those roads. 

Price per Newton of electricity from the Local Electric Power Plant at peak hours is high. 

Price per Newton at non-peak hours is low. 

Cost per Newton changes due to demand. 

More electric power is needed. 

Shit goes into the trout farm one Newton at a time. 

Shit can go to the Aggregate Plant one Newton at a time. 

I suppose. 

Low peak hour electricity can turn the shit into fuel. 

The Aggregate plant can use that fuel to supplement more Newtons of Green fuel added to the Newtons of HIGH DEMAND oil based fuels to run diesel electric generators (already at the Aggregate Plant) when HIGH DEMAND electricity costs are HIGH. 

Now, my brother has invited me on a trip this Monday. We can talk about stuff. My hope was to begin to connect some dots. 

Instead I'm twisting (my brothers words) concepts around while I rant. 

Why bother? 

One must be patient, disciplined, and resolute I guess. Time will tell.

Last edited on Sun May 14th, 2006 07:45 am by Joe Kelley