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Joe Kelley

 

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Here are people who I categorize as Networks Rising in defense of Liberty.

I am on board with almost everything I've read so far as to the concept of Rule of Law applied to everyone and especially applied to those who are hired to enforce Rule of Law when those employees are currently perpetrating very serious crimes upon many innocent victims.

I have a huge problem with the required Oath to a so called Constitution.

Here is a link and a cut and paste of said required oath:

Oath PDF

"I do solemnly swear that I will obey the constitution for the United States of America, and all the directives and prohibitions, and that I will faithfully serve justice and discharge the duties of the office of Grand Juror honorably, according to the best of my ability; so help me God”

The group demanding said Oath as a requirement for participation in defense of Liberty, holding the employees accountable for their crimes while the employees are hired to apply due process to everyone without exception, claim that honor, justice, and mercy are also required.

Here is my problem with an obvious contradiction. I cannot be honorable if I claim to be obeying an ongoing fraud that started in 1787; which is that so called constitution.

I can either be honorable or I can do the opposite.

I can either be honorable and expose the ongoing fraud that is that so called constitution or I can falsely claim an oath that I won't obey since the constitution is a fraud in progress, or I can be honorable and join the criminals who are perpetrating that crime in progress.

Honor among thieves?

Now, as may be claimed, by those who fail to recognize a crime in progress while it is in progress, there can be an exercise done immediately concerning this concept of assembling Jurors to judge a case.

I am claiming that the constitution is a crime in progress and my injury has been every dime stolen from me and then that legal power to purchase was then used to finance further theft, further fraud, and crimes too numerous to list in one sentence but the crimes include child sex slavery, torture, mass murder, and mega murder.

The charge is not specious, and the evidence I alone can provide is more than enough to remove any doubt from any moral, reasonable, human mind, in my opinion, and absent evidence to the contrary, the case is closed as far as I am concerned at this point. 

Exhibit A is a docuemnt assembled by those few who were attending the secret proceedings that later became known as The Constitution Convention.

Exhibit A

Quote:

One party, whose object and wish it was to abolish and annihilate all State governments, and to bring forward one general government, over this extensive continent, of monarchical nature, under certain restrictions and limitations. Those who openly avowed this sentiment were, it is true, but few; yet it is equally true, Sir, that there were a considerable number, who did not openly avow it, who were by myself, and many others of the convention, considered as being in reality favorers of that sentiment; and, acting upon those principles, covertly endeavoring to carry into effect what they well knew openly and avowedly could not be accomplished.
I can quote extensively from that document, however, what is being established here is the witnessing of a fraud in progress.

Moving next to two documents that are clearly claiming opposing forces whereby on one side is a force of Liberty; whereby there is a duty of human beings to, at the very least, disconnect from criminal governments.

Exhibit B

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Note: The Declaration of Independence was followed by an invasion by a Criminal Government Military Force comprised of conscripts (slaves) and mercenaries (murderers for hire) and under a Democratic Federated Republic form of government the Constitutionally Limited States, in a voluntary union, defeated that Military force which was the most powerful Criminal Military Force then plaguing this planet and this human species.

Next is the document that makes The Declaration of Independence unlawful.

Exhibit C

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
Why on earth would the same people who had just conducted an insurrection then claim that insurrection was against the law?

The answer is that they were not the same people, and this fact was clearly understood during those days of The Declaration of Independence, an insurrection against criminal rule by the British Monarchy and those who controlled it, which were even then members of what is now knowable as a Central Bank or a Legal Money Monopoly Fraud and Extortion Cabal.

Next is a leap ahead in the time frame to a modern writer employing quotes from one of the members of the False Founding Fathers:

Exhibit D

But Hamilton wanted to go farther than debt assumption. He believed a funded national debt would assist in establishing public credit. By funding national debt, Hamilton envisioned the Congress setting aside a portion of tax revenues to pay each year's interest without an annual appropriation. Redemption of the principal would be left to the government's discretion. At the time Hamilton gave his Report on Public Credit, the national debt was $80 million. Though such a large figure shocked many Republicans who saw debt as a menace to be avoided, Hamilton perceived debt's benefits. "In countries in which the national debt is properly funded, and the object of established confidence," explained Hamilton, "it assumes most of the purposes of money." Federal stock would be issued in exchange for state and national debt certificates, with interest on the stock running about 4.5 percent. To Republicans the debt proposals were heresy. The farmers and planters of the South, who were predominantly Republican, owed enormous sums to British creditors and thus had firsthand knowledge of the misery wrought by debt. Debt, as Hamilton himself noted, must be paid or credit is ruined. High levels of taxation, Republicans prognosticated, would be necessary just to pay the interest on the perpetual debt. Believing that this tax burden would fall on the yeoman farmers and eventually rise to European levels, Republicans opposed Hamilton's debt program.

"To help pay the interest on the debt, Hamilton convinced the Congress to pass an excise on whiskey. In Federalist N. 12, Hamilton noted that because "[t]he genius of the people will ill brook the inquisitive and peremptory spirit of excise law," such taxes would be little used by the national government. In power, the Secretary of the Treasury soon changed his mind and the tax on the production of whiskey rankled Americans living on the frontier. Cash was scarce in the West and the Frontiersmen used whiskey as an item of barter.

Note: In order to finance criminal government there must be a mechanism by which the victims provide the means by which they suffer, and that means is a combination of fraud and extortion whereby an involuntary tax is enforced by fraud and by military arms, and the fraud that covers up the extortion is a claim that the "tax payers" are borrowing from (or are in debt to) Legal Money Monopoly Bankers or Central Bankers, when in fact the source of Credit that Central Bankers borrow from are those same "tax payers."

Next is an explanation as to how Central Bank Fraud combined with Involuntary Tax Extortion works and this explanation was one of the sparks that ignited the very temporary victory of The Revolution in America (insurgency):

Exhibit E

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.
The Democratic Federated Republic worked as Free Market Government between 1776 and 1788 before the False Founding Fathers, known as Federalists, took over and declared that The Declaration of Independence was illegal (see Exhibit C) and to demonstrate how The Democratic Federated Republic worked as a Free Market Government there is a Legal precedent that became known as Shays's Rebellion.

Exhibit F

Washington, Knox, and Bowdoin may not have taken these words seriously. But others did. To them, the people's obligation to "throw off" destructive and tyrannical governments not only was clear, but it had been further sanctified by the thousands who fought and died for the Revolution. It had become a sacred trust, a moral imperative, an "indispensable duty" as Judge William Whiting put it.
Daniel Shays was one of many Revolutionary War veterans who continued the Revolution because the criminals took over Massachusetts and began to enforce the same old combination of fraud and extortion consistent with Central Bankers or Legal Money Monopoly criminals. The precedent being set in this lawful action (if The Declaration of Independence is considered as a lawful document) is such that the Revolutionary War veterans were defeated in Massachusetts but those who were not kidnapped or murdered escaped capture by those criminals running Massachusetts and some of them, including Daniel Shays, fled to Vermont.

As far as lawful concepts go, again if The Declaration of Independence is meaningful, the Revolutionary War veterans, exemplified by Daniel Shays, was considered a SLAVE by the criminals running Massachusetts, and therefore, to anyone caring to know, a Slave escaped a Slave State, and the runaway Slave ran to another State in that Democratic, Free Market, Federated Republic.

What was the fugitive slave laws enforced at that time when a Democratic Federated, Free Market, Government worked as a Free Market Government?

The Massachusetts Slave Masters demanded the return of the Slave known as Daniel Shays. Vermont employees who were employed to defend Liberty ignored those demands.

What did the so called "Federal" government do in that case of that demand by Slave Masters to return their runaway slave while the employees who were employed to defend Liberty in Vermont ignored said claims of ownership of those supposed slaves?

You now know, or should know, why the criminals had to conduct those secret meetings in Philadelphia. Perhaps you are not yet clued in, because you may not yet understand the goal that is always sought by these types of criminals that are now known, or now called, Central Bankers.

Exhibit G

Mr. Chairman—Whether the Constitution be good or bad, the present clause clearly discovers, that it is a National Government, and no longer a confederation. I mean that clause which gives the first hint of the General Government laying direct taxes. The assumption of this power of laying direct taxes, does of itself, entirely change the confederation of the States into one consolidated Government. This power being at discretion, unconfined, and without any kind of controul, must carry every thing before it. The very idea of converting what was formerly confederation, to a consolidated Government, is totally subversive of every principle which has hitherto governed us. This power is calculated to annihilate totally the State Governments. Will the people of this great community submit to be individually taxed by two different and distinct powers? Will they suffer themselves to be doubly harrassed? These two concurrent powers cannot exist long together; the one will destroy the other: The General Government being paramount to, and in every respect more powerful than, the State governments, the latter must give way to the former.
What was sought after, and what was gained, was the POWER to steal at will, without any accountability, and if anyone dared to question the order to pay, the so called Federalists would make the rebels pay.

Exhibit H

And whereas, it is in my judgment necessary under the circumstances of the case to take measures for calling forth the militia in order to suppress the combinations aforesaid, and to cause the laws to be duly executed; and I have accordingly determined so to do, feeling the deepest regret for the occasion, but withal the most solemn conviction that the essential interests of the Union demand it, that the very existence of government and the fundamental principles of social order are materially involved in the issue, and that the patriotism and firmness of all good citizens are seriously called upon, as occasions may require, to aid in the effectual suppression of so fatal a spirit;
That Spirit of Liberty was thereby crushed, and it was a money competitor, in the form of whiskey, that was being crushed.

So, respectfully, I am all for returning our government back into power, whereby due process is due to everyone without exception or it is not truly government, however there is no way I can claim to be honorable while obeying that crime in progress called The Constitution.

I can not obey orders to commit crimes such as crimes enumerated in that so called Constitution.

Exhibit IA

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, inlcuding those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
That became known as The Dirty Compromise. That is slavery made legal. That has since been replaced by the following; according to that official sounding source.

Exhibit IB


Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
Let him or her who can in good conscience obey such orders, let alone declare an oath to do so, stand up and be counted. It is not me.

Exhibit J

From the day on which an accommodation takes place between England and America, on any other terms than as independent States, I shall date the ruin of this country. a politic minister will study to lull us into security by granting us the full extent of our petitions. The warm sunshine of influence would melt down the virtue which the violence of the storm rendered more firm and unyielding. In a state of tranquillity, wealth, and luxury, our descendants would forget the arts of war and the noble activity and zeal which made their ancestors invincible. Every art of corruption would be employed to loosen the bond of union which renders our resistance formidable. When the spirit of liberty, which now animates our hearts and gives success to our arms, is extinct, our numbers will accelerate our ruin and render us easier victims to tyranny. Ye abandoned minions of an infatuated ministry, if peradventure any should yet remain among us, remember that a Warren and Montgomery are numbered among the dead. Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, What should be the reward of such sacrifices? Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, and plow, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom--go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!
Exhibit K

Mr. President it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth - and listen to the song of the siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and to provide for it.
More evidence:

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
That is legalized piracy.

A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
Failure to submit to slavery is a crime according to those criminals who use this so called constitution.

Washington was a "Federalist".

Exhibit L

His primary aim was to crush the individualistic and democratic spirit of the American forces. For one thing, the officers of the militia were elected by their own men, and the discipline of repeated elections kept the officers from forming an aristocratic ruling caste typical of European armies of the period. The officers often drew little more pay than their men, and there were no hierarchical distinctions of rank imposed between officers and men. As a consequence, officers could not enforce their wills coercively on the soldiery. This New England equality horrified Washington’s conservative and highly aristocratic soul.
John Adams was a "Federalist."

Exhibit M

Signed into law by President John Adams in 1798, the Alien and Sedition Acts consisted of four laws passed by the Federalist-controlled Congress as America prepared for war with France. These acts increased the residency requirement for American citizenship from five to fourteen years, authorized the president to imprison or deport aliens considered "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States" and restricted speech critical of the government.
Alexander Hamilton was a so called Federalist too, he was the one who worked effectively to begin a Central Bank fraud: claiming credit from people and then selling it as debt (see Exhibit D).

The reason why a Democratic Federated Republic works as a Free Market Government Power is due to the maintenance of the force of competition as explained in the following quote (see Exhibit D).

Second, federalism permits the states to operate as laboratories of democracy-to experiment with various policies and Programs. For example, if Tennessee wanted to provide a state-run health system for its citizens, the other 49 states could observe the effects of this venture on Tennessee's economy, the quality of care provided, and the overall cost of health care. If the plan proved to be efficacious other states might choose to emulate it, or adopt a plan taking into account any problems surfacing in Tennessee. If the plan proved to be a disastrous intervention, the other 49 could decide to leave the provision of medical care to the private sector. With national plans and programs, the national officials simply roll the dice for all 284 million people of the United States and hope they get things right.

Experimentation in policymaking also encourages a healthy competition among units of government and allows the people to vote with their feet should they find a law of policy detrimental to their interests. Using again the state-run health system as an example, if a citizen of Tennessee was unhappy with Tennessee's meddling with the provisions of health care, the citizen could move to a neighboring state. Reallocation to a state like North Carolina, with a similar culture and climate, would not be a dramatic shift and would be a viable option. Moreover, if enough citizens exercised this option, Tennessee would be pressured to abandon its foray into socialized medicine, or else lose much of its tax base. To escape a national health system, a citizen would have to emigrate to a foreign country, an option far less appealing and less likely to be exercised than moving to a neighboring state. Without competition from other units of government,the national government would have much less incentive than Tennessee would to modify the objectionable policy. Clearly, the absence of experimentation and competition hampers the creation of effective programs and makes the modification of failed national programs less likely.



Those who were for a true Republic or Democratic Federated Republican form of government, or confederation of constitutionally limited State governments where labeled as Anti-Federalists and those who were for a true Republic (falsely called anti-federalists) clearly understood the Free Market aspect of a competitive arrangement of constitutionally limited State governments.

Exhibit I

What, sir, is the genius of democracy? Let me read that clause of the bill of rights of Virginia which relates to this: 3d clause:—that government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community. Of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best, which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety, and is most effectually secured against the danger of mal-administration; and that whenever any government shall be found inadequate, or contrary to those purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal.

This, sir, is the language of democracy— that a majority of the community have a right to alter government when found to be oppressive. But how different is the genius of your new Constitution from this! How different from the sentiments of freemen, that a contemptible minority can prevent the good of the majority! If, then, gentlemen, standing on this ground, are come to that point, that they are willing to bind themselves and their posterity to be oppressed, I am amazed and inexpressibly astonished. If this be the opinion of the majority, I must submit; but to me, sir, it appears perilous and destructive. I cannot help thinking so. Perhaps it may be the result of my age. These may be feelings natural to a man of my years, when the American spirit has left him, and his mental powers, like the members of the body, are decayed. If, sir, amendments are left to the twentieth, or tenth part of the people of America, your liberty is gone forever. We have heard that there is a great deal of bribery practised in the House of Commons, in England, and that many of the members raise themselves to preferments by selling the rights of the whole of the people. But, sir, the tenth part of that body cannot continue oppression on the rest of the people. English liberty is, in this case, on a firmer foundation than American liberty. It will be easily contrived to procure the opposition of one tenth of the people to any alteration, however judicious. The honorable gentleman who presides told us that, to prevent abuses in our government, we will assemble in Convention, recall our delegated powers, and punish our servants for abusing the trust reposed in them. O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone; and you have no longer an aristocratical, no longer a democratical spirit. Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation, brought about by the punishment of those in power, inflicted by those who had no power at all? You read of a riot act in a country which is called one of the freest in the world, where a few neighbors cannot assemble without the risk of being shot by a hired soldiery, the engines of despotism. We may see such an act in America.

And:

A number of characters, of the greatest eminence in this country, object to this government for its consolidating tendency. This is not imaginary. It is a formidable reality. If consolidation proves to be as mischievous to this country as it has been to other countries, what will the poor inhabitants of this country do? This government will operate like an ambuscade. It will destroy the state governments, and swallow the liberties of the people, without giving previous notice. If gentlemen are willing to run the hazard, let them run it; but I shall exculpate myself by my opposition and monitory warnings within these walls. But then comes paper money. We are at peace on this subject. Though this is a thing which that mighty federal Convention had no business with, yet I acknowledge that paper money would be the bane of this country. I detest it. Nothing can justify a people in resorting to it but extreme necessity. It is at rest, however, in this commonwealth. It is no longer solicited or advocated.