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Thanks for taking the time to reply. I am returning to a method of replying whereby I stop reading and I reply before continuing.
I stopped here:
We sin because Adam sinned. It is in our nature to do so. Every single person alive has done something wrong at some point in time. I do not eat and drink the blood of Jesus. Ie eat and drink unleavened bread and juice of grapes. It is done to remember what Jesus CHOSE to do for us. At any time Jesus could have ended the process HE CHOSE to go thru. He CHOSE to go thru that process because He LOVES YOU, JOE T. KELLEY.
My point earlier, and even earlier than that, and now my point is, and probably my point will continue to be, that you know (or believe) what you know (or believe) and that is not the same thing as what I know (or believe) or what anyone else knows (or believes, including what Frank knows (or believes) so we may be speaking about apples and you may be speaking about oranges, and until such time as we know the same thing, we don't know the same thing.
I find that viewpoint, being my own viewpoint, to be something I know (or something I believe), and it makes sense to me, in that context.
I don't claim to know that what you know is not true. You are the one claiming to know that what Frank says is a lie, and my question earlier had to do with the difference between a willful lie and merely a case of mistaken identity, such as a person like Frank not knowing (or believing) what you know (or believe) about the person you know (or believe) to be Jesus Christ.
If Frank says things about specific people, or people in general, and his claims of facts concerning those specific people, or those people in general, are not supported by any measures of information that Frank things, believes, or knows to be true, from his viewpoint, as if Frank is willfully distorting the information, or Frank is willfully fabricating false information, then that is what Frank does, and when such things can be shown to me, beyond a reasonable doubt, then I can form my opinion based upon that measure of that information.
To me you have a unique quality of translating the words in the Bible you believe in, and to me your unique translations are not the actual words that you say are the words that are true. Your unique translations, to me, sound reasonable, while the actual words in the Bible you believe in do not sound reasonable to me, and there have been, and can be, examples provided.
Here are comparisons of early English Bibles, word for word:
Here are before me now two comparative studies of the origins of specific versions of Bibles. If there are two version then there is not one version.
Which version do I believe in?
What POWER could possibly be affecting me to choose one version over another version? What POWER could direct me to put more weight into the information found, or fabricated, whereby that information finds its way to me from many source, through Frank, to me? What POWER could direct me to put more weight into the links you provide to me?
To me the information Frank offers concerning the history of The English Language is information that places a very clear picture into view as if my view of human existence has been incomprehensible by relative comparative judgement, by me, now that the history of the English language, that I know, or I believe, includes the information discovered by, or fabricated by, Frank.
A language that works best for criminals, to me, a language the works best for Legal Criminals, to me, will be the language used by Legal Criminals, as language is a form of currency, like money is a form of currency, so it stands to reason, to me, that English is like Legal Monopoly Money, as English is another example of inculpatory evidence proving that Legal Criminals have been busy, and all one has to do to find those criminals is to follow that money, and in this case the money in question is called English, back to the source of it, and the source of English, is by the information offered by Frank, the same types of criminals, the criminals who have names, the criminals who lived on Earth, and the routine of crime remains to be the same routine.
Lie
So the claim that Frank is a liar, compared to what I see as the true liars, to me, is misplaced.
You know Jesus Christ as you know Jesus Christ. I do not know the same Jesus Christ and apparently Frank does not know the same Jesus Christ too.
I am not lying. I am willfully being honest.
I do not know the Jesus Christ that you know, how could I?
You can claim all day and night that I refuse to know the Jesus Christ that you know, and if it makes you feel better to make that claim, then that may be what you do, but your claim is based on what evidence?
To me it is impossible for me, at this time, to accept the idea that the God I know to be the God I know to be, is capable of torture and murder, and that is the message I get from the words in The Bible. The words you offer, as a translation of the words in The Bible are different, significantly different, than the words in The Bible, so your words make significantly more sense to me, at least your words open the door to a possibility that I might some day know the Jesus Christ you know, but those are your words, not the words in The Bible. Examples can be provided again.
I opened the links you offer for Translations and I see English. I can ask Frank for a specific example of evidence that he believes to be inculpatory evidence that proves, to Frank, where fabrications of false information have occurred during the history of printing The Bible form the original text into English.
I can ask Frank for information specific to such things as original sin, as he uses the term, and the concept of human sacrifice, or this event that you know to be Jesus Christ dying for human sins, for reasons that you know, reasons that you try to explain, but reasons that I think your words are better at explaining, while I think that the words in The Bible are at best ambiguous, and at worst the words in The Bible are fabrications as Frank's information (which could be fabrications themselves) indicates.
I can be very specific when asking Frank for specific references concerning specific words written in the original texts as those words were then translated into other languages with the final translation being done in the English language, and again, and here I can be specific, I have been specific already with my linking specific pages offered by Frank on this web page of mine, where I link where Frank publishes the history of the creation of the English language. It make much sense to me that the Legal Criminals are fully capable of inventing, producing, and maintaining forms of currency that work to their exclusive advantage.
Looking further down the link on The Original 1611 King James Version I can't tell what those words mean, when I zoom in the words may as well be Greek.
I have to go at this point the Network is not Net Working at Work.