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 Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 12:14 pm
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Joe When I think of the term original sin, I think of this verse:

Romans 5:12 KJV
Wherefore , as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned :

We sin because Adam sinned. It is in our nature to do so. Every single person alive has done something wrong at some point in time. I do not eat and drink the blood of Jesus. Ie eat and drink unleavened bread and juice of grapes. It is done to remember what Jesus CHOSE to do for us. At any time Jesus could have ended the process HE CHOSE to go thru. He CHOSE to go thru that process because He LOVES YOU, JOE T. KELLEY.

As far as the King James Bible, it was the politically correct Bible removing all the notations in the margins of the Geneva Bible which pointed to the Pope and Church of Rome as the Anti-Christ/False Prophet. The Geneva Bible is the Bible that was brought over on the Mayflower. There is history of the English Bible here: http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/

original king james intro: http://www.genevabible.org/files/Original_1611_King_James_Version.pdf

Here are comparisons of early English Bibles, word for word:
http://www.genevabible.org/files/Geneva_Bible/6_Version_Comparison.pdf

Here are words that appear to be self-contradictory to me. I can be wrong. I can assure you that I am not being willfully deceptive, if you can acknowledge the difference, then please acknowledge the difference between being willfully deceptive and merely being wrong.

I may be wrong in my thinking that your words just quoted are self-contradictory. If the Jesus Christ you know did do as you say, then no one can nullify what Jesus Christ did, and no one can void what Jesus Christ did, but your words claim that someone "makes his sacrificial death which is the atonement for sin null and void."


You are right Joe, Frank cannot nullify or void what Jesus Christ did on the cross. You are very good with your words. What I should have said is that Frank has laid out a 3rd testament, a 3rd contract, a 3rd covenant which does not depend upon the Work of Christ to reconcile man to God.

Hebrews 10:29 KJV
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye , shall he be thought worthy , who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified , an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

The Bible says this about Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 13:8 KJV
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

The Bible is the record of the promised Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ who came, and the Lord Jesus Christ who is to come. There is no other revelation. There is no other covenant. There is no other way to the Creator God, but thru the Cross on which the Creator God hung and bleed and died. But that is not the end, Jesus Christ conquered death and rose again from the grave and comes and lives inside of those who place their trust in Him for the forgiveness of sin. He does not live inside of us thru the bread and the wine, but thru faith in Him for the forgiveness of sin.

Frank cannot make a contract between good and evil. He cannot call a truce. He has no standing.

You will do what you will do. I think I will do bookwork as I am weary to explain the Gospel of Christ any better. However, I do say that I think that if you would read the Bible, and I don't care which version you read, you may get the big picture. I think that you speak of that which you do not know, and I don't know how to make you know except that you have to search the scriptures yourself, and you have to let God be God, and if God says that He is going to be tortured and murdered on your behalf so that you might be purchased you from the death of sin, then that is the way it is. And I suppose that is child like faith.

Divine means that having the power of perfect perception of actual reality is a power that gains access to all other power if access to all other power is possible in actual reality.

Since I do not have access to perfect perception of actual reality, in my view, I am not divine.

I think that Frank is saying that our power is only limited by our present condition and it is our gift from God to be as powerful as God in due time, assuming that is what we want, and assuming we are willing to do what is necessary to reach for that goal.


assuming that is what we want, and assuming we are willing to do what is necessary to reach for that goal.

Titus 3:5 KJV
Not by works of righteousness which we have done , but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The only thing required is Faith...Childlike faith. There will be a time when we have perfect perception, and that will be when we see Him.

I John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be : but we know that, when he shall appear , we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is ... 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

But I do not know that we will be as powerful as God, or that we will be God, but I know that we cannot even imagine what God has in store for us:


Isaiah 64:4 KJV
For since the beginning of the world men have not heard , nor perceived by the ear , neither hath the eye seen , O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

Referring back to Isaiah:
1 Corinthians 2:9 KJV
But as it is written , Eye hath not seen , nor ear heard , neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
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Here is another instance of a man named Abraham and the use of land: http://www.biblestudytools.com/audio-bible/kjv/genesis/13.html but money is not exchanged.

I have rambled.