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| Posted: Mon Jul 22nd, 2013 06:06 pm |
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Joe,So my fault has to do with my communications with you being what they were, on the subject of competitive viewpoints in religion, and my viewpoints that may become something other than what they were, or are, and so I see a potential for being untrue to my past words in this regard. Thanks for being up front with your thoughts on the topic of religion. In regards to my comment: I can see error in reaching out to a self proclaimed Divine Creator in human flesh (as I think that I what I understood Frank to call himself in reference to the follow up to your discussion with him in the first link) for spiritual guidance. http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-90342/TS-764245.mp3 - Direct quote from Frank at about 1:33: ...how incredible it is to be a man in this form to be The Divine Creator in this form... You define his words as meaning: The idea, if I understand it, is that we are all trusted with life and therefore we are all trusted with the power to create, and therefore we are all in that connection divine creators creating by way of that power trusted into our care. That is contrary to the Word of God. John 1 says that Jesus is The Divine Creator: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made . 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men...14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. People have the ability to pro-create, but not to create. People cannot even decide for certain that they will pro-create. People have no power to do so. People cannot speak the world or life into existence. Frank has no power to create life. Only THE DIVINE CREATOR WHO IS JESUS CHRIST CAN CREATE LIFE. People cannot even produce a seed from nothing. A single person by themselves cannot even create pro-create. What exactly does the word divine mean? -------------------- Frank, as far as I can tell, has dealt with contentions in Christian religion far more than I ever want to, and again he appears to find use in the concept of asking people questions concerning their belief in The Bible and the idea that there are contentions concerning what is written in The Bible between what Christ says and what other people say. I think that Frank identifies true Christians, as he understands the concept, to be those who put more weight in the words of Christ when there is a contention, and I think Frank puts less weight (of trust?) in people who side with words that contend with what Christ says. The Bible is a book of harmony. You understand harmony from your understanding of music? What contentions exist between Jesus and the rest of the Bible? Jesus said to study the scriptures because they are they that speak of him. The Bible is about the Lord Jesus Christ from start to finish. Your measure of Frank appears to be such that you think Frank is dishonest. I think this of anyone who denies the Lord Jesus Christ as the Promised Messiah of God: 2 John 1:7 KJV For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. And I think it is one thing to deny the Lord Jesus Christ personally, and I think it is another thing to lead other people astray. Frank is opposed to Christ and Frank is leading other people to be opposed to Christ. I realize my words are strong. I see the opposite, and if Frank is dishonest then it can be demonstrated that Frank is dishonest, without having to rely upon belief. A dishonest person will produce lies, whereby the lies can be proven as lies, and that is routine to a point that is reasonably evident, or self-evident, in the form of inculpatory evidence. Frank produces words contrary to the Word of God; therefore, Frank produces lies. Those words apply very well to Alexander Hamilton and Ben Bernanke. To me those words do not apply to Frank. Frank may be acting from false belief, but to me it is obvious that Frank is not inventing falsehoods. What? Frank has invented a false religion that spits in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ and makes his sacrificial death which is the atonement for sin null and void. There is no 3rd Testament or additional Contract between God and man. Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled , we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. 12 Wherefore , as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. Which leads me to ask, what do you mean by original sin? The first time I even heard that term was in 1993 when I was watching the Three Musketeers movie. The term "original sin" is not in the Bible. What does it mean? I can be wrong. I can be wrong too. That is why we have the Written Word of God, the Bible and we are supposed to study it so that we can know and understand the truth. Satan is a liar and the father of lies. I think maybe you were given a lie when you were 10 in regards to trying to get God and the Devil to quit fighting. God does not wrestle with evil. We do. Estates appear to be the beginning of Legal Crime in the exchange of land use among the human beings. Here is a land purchase: http://www.biblestudytools.com/audio-bible/kjv/genesis/23.html You can listen to it if you like. I really don't even know what an estate is. Scott has been sick and I have been unable to do work, but will hopefully start tonight.
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