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I am in confession mode at this time. I want to confess to you that I have, in the past, stated that I, me, this Joe Kelley person, does not have, in my words, a "pony in that show," and the reference has to do with competitive religions, and the reference has to do specifically with the information offered by Frank O'Collins, where that information includes a religious viewpoint.
I am confessing a move from having no pony in that show to me having, in some measure, stepped into the ring, and rather than write a whole lot of text, I can point you to the Talkshoe Phone Conferences (or whatever) whereby I am not making it a regular event on my schedule.
Here:
Episode 135
Time 1:23:20 is the time where I call Frank for the first time.
I don't want to discredit anyone other than myself where my own viewpoint is false, and so I hope you can understand that context, and if you feel like being even more generous, then you can help me understand my own errors in this specific exchange between me and Frank, or, on the other hand, if you care not to be involved, then that is fine too. I am merely offering another measure of me, so you know better instead of knowing worse.
Episode 136
52:50
The pony I have in the show of religion is unclear in my own mind, hence the confession to you now, letting you know that I am not willfully intending to discredit any other people or any other religious beliefs, rather, I am intending to know better, if that is at all possible, as to what is, or is not, true.
Does that make sense in this context?
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What fault do you want me to find in your words to Frank? I cannot find anything wrong with your exchange in regards to words. I can only find error in seeking contact with the Creator outside of the path given in the Bible. I can find error in Frank's words. I didn't see any error in your words. I can see error in reaching out to a self proclaimed Divine Creator in human flesh (as I think that I what I understood Frank to call himself in reference to the follow up to your discussion with him in the first link) for spiritual guidance. There is no 3rd Testament or 3rd Contract with the Creator initiated by man.
The Old Testament Contract was in initiated by God. The New Testament Fulfillment was initiated by God. On the Cross, Jesus said, "It is Finished." He is the Fulfillment of the Contract.
If I am understanding Frank correctly, I hear him say that he makes a contact with the Divine Creator and that he is the divine creator. Josf, that sounds exactly like Lucifer:
Isaiah 4:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Jesus said these words:
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo , here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold , I have told you before . 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold , he is in the desert; go not forth : behold , he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be .
Joe, there is no other name given under heaven among men whereby we must be saved. There is one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ.
I think you will enjoy Paul talking about the Unknown God in Athens: http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/acts/passage.aspx?q=acts+17:15-33
I was surprised Sunday when Jeff preached from this passage and I read on a little and found the words that We are the Offspring of God. So I am in a quandary as I consider that some of are children of God and some are children of the Devil. But there in Acts Paul says we are all the offspring of God. So, I am confessing that I may need to do some studying to understand the implications of the original languages in that regard. Also confessing that I thought Frank's last name was O'Connor, and I was wrong. It is O'Collins.
I must clean house tomorrow and will leave bookwork til I have free time again.