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 Posted: Mon Jun 24th, 2013 04:29 pm
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Joe Kelley

 

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This is somewhat confused by current events, including the demand for chores, and including the forum software not allowing me to edit any further in my earlier response.

A thought that did enter my mind as he discussed his website that he is hoping to launch that perhaps he is a person that would be very ineterested in the concept of a hand-held device that could stop, without harming, a crime in progress.
The principle behind that idea is Defensive Power, and defensive Power includes the power of knowing before hand the causes of injuries so as to afford a person the time to avoid them. The use of a Network of people ready to monitor crimes in progress, ready to witness them, and ready to offer help to those potential victims is not a new idea, and now that the idea is being focused upon those who are False Authorities, so that the victims of False Authorities are now inventing, producing, and maintaining True Authoritative Defense against False Authorities, is the point.

Reaching for False Authorities when threatened by False Authorities so as to utilize False Authorities in Defense against False Authorities is "providing the means by which we suffer" in obvious, and accurately measurable forms, such as paying Federal Income Taxes with Federal Reserve Notes so as to pay off  National Debt that is increased each second of each day in direction proportion to each payment made to pay off the National Debt.

Each payment of Federal Income Tax with each Federal Reserve Note is an investment toward the increase of National Debt, not the decrease of National Debt.

Paying criminals very well to perpetrate inhuman crimes on a long list of inhuman crimes is a demand for inhuman crimes and there will be no shortage of suppliers willing to meet that demand up to a point at which the natural law known as the law of diminishing returns sets in.

When there are no more innocent victims, when everyone volunteers to supply the demand for more lies, more threats, and more violence upon the innocent, so as to be paid well for being a criminal, then all hell brakes loose, each criminal is beset with the need to cut the throat of each other criminal before having their own throat cut by another criminal, and no one has time to do the chores that actually employ the available productive power in ways that make more productive power out of less productive power.

"You can stop it at 58 minutes. So, Joe, will you take 58 minutes of your time and watch this?"

Is there a goal to be reached in that use of my power?

I ask for a reason that is not an excuse, or a dodge, or a prejudice, I ask so as to test to see if I do reach the goal, or falling short of the goal I can confirm that I have fallen short of the goal.

The case of my asking you to watch the link with the person offering information on man made law was the goal of seeing how there are problems associated with man made claims of authority being embodied into the paper that those claims are written on.

You did not reach the goal.

So then you reported to me that you did not reach the goal.

Then I offered a more detailed example of how the goal is reached, and I found, and I copied and pasted, an example of authority being claimed to be in the paper; which is the goal intended.

The cut and paste of the paper that claims that the paper is the source of the authority is the goal I was asking for you to reach for and to find.

You can agree to having reached that goal, or you can report to me that you have not reached that goal, in either case.

So I am asking for that reason, is there a goal that I can reach for when watching that presentation of information?

If the goal is to understand how the power of creation, or God, sacrifices some injury to God, so as to then give God a reason to not punish people for things that people do, then I am going to have a hard time understanding such things.

I have a hard time understanding your words here:

"Jesus is the express image of the Godhead bodily. Jesus is the Logos, the Word of God, or the Logo of God. God took the punishmed of OUR sin upon HIMSELF. Just like we are body, soul and spirit, so is God. Jesus is the "body" of God. God put himself in harms way for our benefit. He could have delivered Himself from the Cross, but He did not. He could have destroyed the world and all of humanity in a moment's time. He did not. Instead He said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." While hanging in shame upon the cross he had a heart of forgiveness for those who brutilized Him. Will you watch this?"

This:

"God took the punishment of OUR sin upon HIMSELF."

That makes no sense to me.

Why is God in the punishment business?

If God does not want to punish, then God can invent any reason not to punish, why does God need to punish "HIMSELF"?

I don't even sign onto the idea that God is a he, and I don't get very far from God being the power of creation, so that is the reason for my asking anyone questions having to do with the claim that God is in the punishment business.

I can't ask a video presentation the questions I have concerning the concept of God being in the punishment business.

If the video presentation is a report concerning how God is in the business of punishment, then that is a possible goal to reach for, as far as I am concerned.

Will that video explain to me why God is in the punishment business, assuming that God is, in fact, in the punishment business?

So will I find some measure of proof, something reasonable, something I can believe, concerning why God is, in fact, in the punishment business?

I can work to fit that viewing of that information into my schedule, my time, but for now I really have to get a chore done, a pile of dishes in a battle over how the kitchen is used by multiple users who do not all agree on standard procedures of use; the kitchen has to be cleaned up, and I am volunteering to do it at this point in time.

Then there are other demands to meet, other things I can supply something I can supply, to meet those demands.

I want to watch the presentation.

It is on my list.

Will I reach the intended goal according to your measure of reaching the intended goal?

Did you reach the intended goal of seeing why authority on paper, where the paper says that the paper itself is the authority, is an example of false authority?

I invented the obvious  illustration of how that is a false authority.

If the paper says that it is illegal to breath, and the paper says that those found guilty must be executed on the spot, and the proof of guilt is the paper itself, then that is exactly what that is, false authority, right there on that paper, so that paper is, in fact, inculpatory evidence of fraud, so who is the author?

I am cluttering up this topic, and I don't see an easy way out of this mess, so I continue.

The Story of Jesus can be confirmed through careful study?

1. Yes
2. No
3. Maybe
4. To a degree of success measurable as removing reasonable doubt?

Does the study material offered by the known liar (known by you as a liar, but not known by me as a liar, since I have no evidence proving a lie to be one) Frank O'Collins offer any reasonable doubt, if that evidence is heard, and judged, by the judge in any case?

I do not have a stake in the argument as to which belief between any two believers is the true belief.

I have my own belief in God proven to be exactly what it is each moment of each day.

I do not need to know what my own belief in God is, since it is what it is, and since it will become what it will become, as a function of POWER that is not my POWER.

I can ask for words that work to cause other people to form their beliefs, and I can ask Jesus to help me know better, but for me to ask Jesus to do something ambiguous is ambiguous, and therefore not knowable.

As far as you are concerned there is meaning, specific meaning, in the questions, or requests, that you have asked Jesus for, and you have a specific answer to your requests, or your questions, that you ask specifically to Jesus.

What are those requests and questions specifically?

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If I read your words, your own words, or words taken out of scripture, translated from the original script to English, by someone, some man, or some woman, and I find ambiguity, each time I look, then there is still, remaining, to date, yet to be specified, meaning in those questions, I read, and those requests, I read, in those words offered by you, or by scripture, or by kids acting in a youtube video.

I am going to try to look back into this forum topic to find anything I may have missed, offered by you, and worth my time to find.

I looked and found more editing work done by you, which I still see as evidence of God at work, for someone to be so generous to me, despite all my faults, my lack of belief, you offer your help, and I appreciate it, for what it is, help.

Even if you were to stop now, for whatever reason, I have been helped by you.

My daughter's friend asks about  the book often. He is impatient.

I am not impatient, and I work at avoiding impatience. I work at avoiding impatience ever since my dad was dying before my eyes and he asked if I could help him change his pajamas. I was in a hurry. He said words, that I cannot quote, having to do with my being in a hurry, something along the lines of negative words, such as "don't be in such a hurry," or a question "what is your hurry?"

I thought, at the time, that I was not in a hurry, I am always working to be faster at things, to be competitive, but I got the message as intended, as far as I can tell.

Death arrives on time, so there is no demand to move that date forward, at least none that can pass the test of reason as far as I am concerned.

Hey, on the subject of writing, I e-mailed and have received a response from a group who are in demand of writers.

Here

Your work to improve my writing is humbling to me. I can work at reading your corrections, as you teach me the lessons I once paid 500.00 Federal Reserve Notes to a "teacher" to teach me, and your competitive offerings, generous gifts, render that "investment" much lower in quality, and much higher in cost.