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You appear to contradict yourself in the context of my point, and of course you don't contradict yourself in the context of your point, so the offering here is to work, and work more, and keep on working more, until there may yet be a bridge built between our competitive viewpoints.
You write:
My point is, that it is only by the grace of God that I am not one of them.
You wrote that in contradiction to what you wrote earlier, which is this:
The answer for me is easy. I will not eat a child to save the rest. I will allow God to work justice in His way and in His timing.
My point was to point out that you are not alone, in your power to decide what you will do, as you refuse to obey without question, when evil people lay before you a false choice that is so extreme to you, that you can easily see past the deception.
And my point goes on to point out that there are people who will obey, without question, no matter how easy, or how difficult it is to see past the deception, and furthermore, there are people who love to create those situations whereby people are forced into such situations, when there is no need to do so, other than that need for evil, that choice to be evil, made by that individual person, at that time, and in that place.
You decide to be good, despite the false choices, despite the real choices being all bad, because someone else chooses to deceive you, and harm you, for their exclusive fun, and their exclusive profit.
You are the reason for me seeing past the deception, past the threats of violence, past the violence upon the innocent, done by evil people, and seeing a choice to invent, produce, and maintain a defensive device used in defense against evil people.
You are not alone, there are many people worth defending, not just you, in my opinion.
I have no interest in defending people who choose to be evil, and they can have their fun and profit at each others expense, since any effort on my part to help them, as far as my experience goes, only encourages them into more intense thoughts and actions of evil.
So to me there are at least 2 types of human beings, and these individual human beings volunteer to belong in these two types, by their willful choices, with, or without, external powers combining with their individual power.
If you were to choose evil, and then love it, make it your own, instead of the opposite, which is to err, and then recognize error, then where would you belong, where would you volunteer to be, by those choices of yours?
Would you, then, hold God accountable for your choices?
Do you now hold God accountable for your choices?
Why do you hold yourself accountable for the choices of evil people, when clearly, you are not evil?
One can take the topic of sexual addiction and understand that certain extremes become necessary to highten certain feelings.
Murder csn be the same for a murderer. Sheer pleasure can be experienced by some as they murder.
I don't do that either. Sex is sex. Addiction is addiction. Murder is Murder. Pleasure from sex is pleasure from sex. Pleasure from addiction is pleasure from addiction. Pleasure from murder is pleasure from murder.
I don't confuse any of those, as if all of those are one thing.
I gain no pleasure from injuring people, so far, and if I were to find someone I hate so much, and I had power over them, and I had the choice of torturing and murdering them for my exclusive fun, and my exclusive profit, I can recognize that such a thing done by me is evil, and I can work to avoid such things, even now.
That is not the same thing as a person born without any moral compunction whatsoever, someone who will just as easily, gladly, and without restraint of any kind, torture, and murder massive numbers of people, because it feels good to them, and it feels better for them, if there is visible, palpable, terror, and misery inflicted upon the victim.
That is my point.
Don't feed the Mad Dogs, and the Man Eating Tigers, as their hunger won't stop at the food you bring, they will eat your fingers, your hand, your arm, and return when they are no longer satisfied with eating more than your generous offerings.
My point is that the reason the immobilization device is such an excellent idea is that one can protect themselves without killing or harming the other party. So that one does not become that which they abhore...a killer.
Now we share the point, so the bridge is built. The device exists in the form of accurate perspective, and good judgement, a power, a defensive power, an honest power, an accurate power, and a productive power, worth sharing.
The actual device, described above, is illustrated with the fictional device in the fictional story, and in my mind, and shared with anyone who may also want to see it, the fictional device does not yet exist, so the viewer, the reader, will be asked, in so many words, in the story, why does that device not exist yet, in that form?
Perhaps we are a bloody society because our birth was thru blood?
Again, I don't do that, I do not blame everyone for the actions of a few people. The few gain power by deception, by threats of violence, and by violence upon the innocent, and those few change the course of human history, they admit it, they do it, it is categorically unarguable, a mere fact, so why ignore that fact, and why move into this fictional accounting whereby everyone is guilty of the actions of a few people?
I don't do that, why would I do that, it is false.
We are a bloody society?
Show me the list of names.
Out of that list of names who decided to deceive, threaten, and violently attack who, and who defended against such things?
All are guilty, because some chose crime?
No. The accurate, demonstrable answer is no, we are not all guilty of resorting to crime as a means of survival.
Perhaps one should never kill if one really believes the other party might end up in hell. Perhaps one would trade one's own life to give that other person the chance to find forgiveness and eternal life in Jesus.
Less crime occurs when crime pays less.
Is that the same thing?
Stop paying criminals so well, and see what happens?
Jesus shows up and high fives?
Perhaps it is evil that we would choose our own life over anothers?
You?
Who answered my question?
The answer for me is easy. I will not eat a child to save the rest. I will allow God to work justice in His way and in His timing.
Who is "we"?
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The people inventing, producing, and maintaining the lesser of two evils set of choices.
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The people agreeing with the lesser of two evil choices once they are invented, produced, and maintained by the inventors, producers, and those who perpetuate those false choices.
3.
Anyone not volunteering to be in those groups listed above.
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Anyone refusing to be in those groups listed above.
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Anyone willfully choosing to defend against those listed in 1 and 2.
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People not having anything, no connection whatsoever, with any false choices at all.
Edit:
I started reading the link and I found way too much falsehood to continue reading it.