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The concept of that which is tolerable and that which is intolerable varies from person to person.
I think it is a sign of a good friend who will consider how something makes the other person naturally feel. But Joe, the part I don’t understand is why would you ever want to be vulgar? Is there pleasure in it?
If you were to watch a movie by Tom Green, or to listen to his Stand up Comic routine you may be deeply offended by it, the same goes for many other entertainers, and I find their competitive examples to be very funny for reasons that my not be in my own best interest if I were to study and find the precise reason why there is pleasure in that source of laughter.
Example: The first time I flew in an Airplane I was at about age 8, and I laughed the whole time. It was a long time ago, and as far as I can remember it was not a nervous laughter, but that makes more sense, since I laughed the whole time literally; as in: laugh out loud.
If I could push a button and make everyone tolerate everyone else then there would be no more crime or would there be nothing but crime?
I don't push the button, so I tolerate what I think is tolerable, and I can't tolerate what I can't afford to tolerate, as far as I can see, and your help is appreciated; and mostly your help is appreciated because you voluntarily, and honestly, offer help, which to me means that if you had a button to make me a Christian you would not push that button and make me be as you think I should be, and so I feel safe with you.
I try not to adversely affect you with my thoughts and actions that I perceive to be unwelcome to you, because you do not welcome vulgar things that I have no problem entertaining, seeing, experiencing, and laughing about, or rejecting as any case may be according to my own sense of moral understanding, which is admittedly not your sense of moral understanding in fine details.
I general terms, on the other hand, I think we both can agree that a person pretending to be God, and then ordering "God's" children around, to make them into liars, thieves, rapists, child sex slavers, torturers, and murderers, is immoral.
The true measure of a true Christian, it seems to me, is demonstrable.
I am not one. I tolerate, and derive pleasure from, things that I trust that you would find to be intolerably vulgar.
Thank you Joe, you know I am always questioning my welcome.
Why would you not be welcome? If anyone has any reason to avoid someone, it seems to me, the shoe is on the other foot: if you play with the pigs you may get soiled.
In that sense, I suppose I am in combat with my future to continually press forward for a goal.
The ideas of realizing dynamic time, to me, open up a viewpoint on competition that is the genuine, and not the counterfeit, form of competition: having to do with reaching for better and leaving behind worse. If there are any enemies, they are criminals, and they are reaching for worse and leaving behind better, at the expense of the innocent victims they target.
If it turns out that your understandings are all true, all those lists of all those sins are destructive, and not in any way productive, then that makes sense to me. I work on those ideas too.
If the slightest sin is a crime against my own future self, destroying myself now, destroying my future, then I am a failing to preserve my own innocence, and I am failing to reach for better, and I am reaching for worse instead.
We do not have to nit pick on the sins; however, and that is where we may find our common ground.
If you consider my watching a movie that you consider to be vulgar, a sin, and I can roughly agree, in a relative sense, but I have not paid a dime to the Legal Criminals all year (not that that is even possible at this time), then the greater sin to me is obvious and measurable if you have invested heavily into more torture, more mass murder, and more destruction of millions of innocent people alive today, and destruction of innocent people who may never be alive since these HEAVY investments into destruction are threatening all life on Earth.
I do understand the absolute concept of moral behavior versus sin, so you don't need to repeat that part of God's word.
I am not one of God's Children. I willfully sin, from a Christian understanding, because I do not have such a definite, finite, measure of what is, exactly, sin, and what is not, exactly, sin. I think there is a very powerful competition going on as to the finding of that finite edge, and it is genuine and it is not counterfeit.
You have your safe place, you have a belief in an authority that tells you precisely what is right and wrong, in some cases, and in other cases your power to know right and wrong is dictated to you as being this or that according to God when God finds cause to do things that you are not allowed to do, etc.: and we meet at that fence now and then.
I don't have that safe place. I run amok at my own command of my own understandings of right and wrong.
One way is safer, I suppose, and it makes sense, and that is why I say I am jealous. The other way is dangerous, and why do dangerous things entertain me?
Ask Mike about the time he helped me take off of a mountain flying my Hang Glider. God did not make me do that, and yet I did it. It is too risky now, in my current life, but seriously, I'm not going to find the right or wrong of it in The Bible. I'm not even looking.
You bring to the discussion words that are competitive words, productive words, wise words, and it is not my concern as to the source of the words, so much as the meaning of the words; again the dynamic thinking here has to do with observing these words, orienting these words, deciding on these words, and acting upon these words, all being relative to being alive now and reaching for better from worse which will be the case as life, being dynamic, continues.
The context I bring to the discussion continues to be the same thing, over, and over, and over, and over again, which is Legal Crime, and the legal criminals doing what they are paid so well to do, over, and over, and over, and over again.
To me there is no need to search high and low for minute examples of evil at work.
Joe, Jesus said these words:
• John 4:24 KJV
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
What do those words mean to you?
The meaning I claim to know, concerning those words, despite my lack of power to do so, so my guess concerning those words, is that communication concerning how to move from worse to better is best found if the seeker looks for the truth, and the seeker does not settle for less than the truth.
So help me God?